To let trump and musk do all the damage and throw them under the bus. That way the Federalist, Heritage, and more specifically Thiel and the other billionaires will rebuild the government in their image.
The real people behind this are not stupid and did not get where they are by letting loose canons mange their business. That is a fact.

Vance is sane so he could be more malevolent than Trump.
But Vance already knows that Trump does not want him to be his successor, probably because Trump does not intend to be succeeded.

The WRONG vendor.

Now that they're positioned to dismantle the very systems of democracy itself, voting in elections will no longer be a reliable way to remove them from power regardless of how unpopular they become. November 2026 is far too distant to provide any assurance of legitimate outcomes.

Sorry, Ben, we couldn't keep it. We're on another path now.

We're approaching a Constitutional crisis. In increasing numbers, people will take to the streets. One way or another, violence will erupt. Trump will declare martial law. Elections will be rigged, if not canceled.

By that point, I guess end of April when even late filers are expecting tax refunds, we'll supposedly be so grateful to be rid of Trump, Must, et. al., that we'll be glad to get the outward sanity of Vance (who is still going to be Project 2025's boy).

Same agenda, prettier face on it.

The judiciary hasn't exactly covered itself in glory lately. Perhaps they are starting to feel the heat. Roberts created this monster, whether or not he can rein it in remains to be seen..

let's pray and hope that sanity prevails and they rein him in.

But one perk of Vance--he won't go to jail if he isn't president. Russia might not have anything on him.

but it seems like a push, and then a pull-back from the edge. Can't tell if they're having success, because don't know what the game is.

economy immediately.

If SS stops, I truly believe that there will be riots in the streets, the economy will crash worse than what's already happening and there will be blood shed for this POS.

Once a person can get that through their head that Trump really truly wants the U.S. to crater, then everything else makes total sense.

He wants people to like him.

Putin is the one who wants to destroy the U.S. So far, Trump is his willing puppet, but what happens when Trump realizes this is all making him unpopular?

Two narcissistic sociopaths collide.

He craves being the center of attention
If he gets adoration, that’s a bonus

When the HUGE protests begin, (Maybe that's exactly what they want?) These monsters will GO FOR BROKE with Military against us? We should plan for that, just to be ahead of their plan? I'm not sure how to figure just what they are willing to do. Some days i feel like they want the destruction of our great country to proceed full speed ahead. Scary none the less.

They are telegraphing on RWmedia.

I think they are going to do what "they" did during 2020 at the protests - insert instigators, and create a picture. It was Boogaloo Boise who burned the Minnesota police station.

They are reveling in the fires at Tesla dealerships. I'm wondering if they are a "set up"....a false flag...an inside job.

I think people need to be alert to what they might "pull".

the bad thing is the it will cost lives.

We have to be very SMART with these protests. Start some and see how THEY react, is my thoughts. We cannot let them take us all down at one time. Protest where it does the most good. PLAN, PLAN, PLAN!!

This is exactly what I was expressing in another thread. I truly think the people are going to be the ones to save this country and democracy. I can see Donald Trump and Elon going too far. If they stop SS people are NOT going to sit idly and wait for the courts OR Congress to do anything. It will not truly surprise me if Trump is physically impeached.

is that akin to getting that guillotine set back up again?

Donnie will take whatever incremental powers he gets.

He will appear to back down in most places where the courts do stand up to him. But he will appoint more and more maga judges, get the proud boys to threaten uncooperative judges, and gradually get his way more and more.

And in some cases, he'll just ignore the court orders because Congress won't impeach him, the doj won't prosecute him, and the media will never properly sound the alarms.

that they weren’t going to support his crazy ass bs.

CJ Roberts did a shot across the bow warning Been A Dick Donald not to go there.

Feel free to use it.

There’s evidence that people are waking up. Maybe it will be enough to swing the special elections next month. Wouldn’t it be sweet to say “former” speaker of the house Mike Johnson?

his snorting (which has returned and seems to reflect a nasal reaction to "something" snorted ), and his aphasia (confusing words that seemingly "sound alike," creating new nonsensical words, etc) continue, I think there will be a dementia-related standoff. That is especially if the R's continue to feel the heat from their electorate on all the lies spoken and promises broken--especially social security.

you could tell she was utterly disgusted

and Roberts, as Schiff so aptly put it, "gave Trump a loaded gun and now is worried he is going to use it"

there may, just MAY be some hope

is that Been A Dick Donald could "legally" remove him because he has total immunity from prosecution because he's the president.

were they thinking when they gave him a blank check to do what he wants to do?

there is no justification for the immunity ruling other than they were doing exactly what they were put there to do - behave like Trump whores

I think they just might be starting to resent that role, and maybe don't want to be a central part in the destruction of America

Hopefully not too little too late and the SC reins him in, but I'm not holding my breath.

that's what it's worked out to be right now, but actually the orders came down from Koch and the Right Wing organizations who have been planning this for over 50 years. The Federalists have much more invested in this than trump. trump doesn't want to go to jail. neither do the Federalists involved with this conspiracy. We need one hell of an investigation/arrests/charges against every single Federalist member between now and back prior to Reagan. That's how long the conspiracy to make this happen has been going on. They have a clear mind's eye view of what they want America to be, and they see right now as the time to do it. It took finding someone more dumb and unmotivated than GW Bush, and they found the puppet in spades with trump.

perhaps REPUKE WHORES would be more on point

Will she take orders from the Federalist Society, or from Trump?

It will only get worse. At some point republicans will have to decide if they too want to go down in the trumptanic as well.

one Trump voter who regrets their vote. At least not in Florida.
These atrocities are all going to the supreme Court. That's the only decision that matters.
I believe Trump is still deporting people, and musk is still accessing all government data bases.
At this time, right now, there's no stopping musk and his IT team from accessing our information

All these things that are sounding alarms for us are exactly what they wanted to see.

They are that stupid.

We may be off the rails, but I do see that train a-comin’ at speed toward us.

You can bank on it. It's just a matter of when and with which branch of the government.

But I remember many other times what the courts should have done and what they actually did is much different. I have no faith in any of the systems anymore.

than following the Nixon madness

This bfoon is of the rais in abig way. Just don’t understand pep hold in him up and mor han williling to kiss and slobber at his A
Rectal ring. Freaking is putting it mildly.

These authoritarians are always brought down.

His erratic behavior pulls attention away from their capture and repurposing of the government at the same time that his crudeness and mindless cruelty creates hostility and opposition to their looting. At some point his liability to them will exceed his usefulness and he will be discarded.

Rally round the family
With a pocket full of shells

....and have no idea what the fuck is going to happen from day-to-day.

This lack of solid ground is an extremely unnerving feeling and over time will severely effect the mental, emotional, and financial stability of most Americans (who are aware of what is happening).

What will the showdown be about and will SC rule against him iyo? They already have rebuked him. But afaik there is not much if any enforcing going on for any of these court rulings. Who will enforce them? We know he and his band of crooks and fascists won't.

The Republican majority in Congress is already attacking judges who rule against Trump. Those inclined to support the Constitution are cowed by the wrath of Trump and the wealth of Musk, which will be used to end their political careers. Magaloons will threaten them and their families.

Just as with McCarthyism, the fever of Trumpism will break. Our Senator Welch moment will come.

May it come before the damage is beyond repair.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220150346

Any other POTUS would have been impeached and out the door after the stuff he's been pulling.