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LiberalArkie

(19,314 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:00 PM Mar 2025

Mom of child dead from measles: "Don't do the shots," my other 4 kids were fine

MAR 20, 2025 1:26 PM

The parents of an unvaccinated 6-year-old girl who died of measles in Texas last month sat down for an interview with Children's Health Defense (CHD), the rabid anti-vaccine organization founded and run until recently by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is now US health secretary under the Trump administration.

The child's vaccine-preventable death marked the first measles fatality in the US in a decade. It's a tragedy that stands as a dark reminder of the dangers of the disease—one of the most infectious known to humankind—and the importance of the lifesaving vaccinations. But, in the interview, CHD wielded the loss of the young child as a means to downplay the deadly disease, attack the Measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccine, tout unproven treatments, and spread misinformation.

The video interview, which was posted Monday, begins with the grieving parents, who are Mennonites, recounting their daughter's decline amid sobs: She came down with measles, developed the telltale rash, and then her fever kept climbing, and her breathing worsened. They took her to the emergency room and she was admitted to the hospital. Doctors found she had developed pneumonia, a known complication of measles that strikes about 1 in 20 children infected and is the most common cause of measles deaths in young children. Her condition deteriorated, she was moved to the intensive care unit, intubated, but continued to decline and died.

From there, the interview took a turn. The mother said that after the death, her other four children developed the disease. It "must have been petrifying," CHD's director of programming, Polly Tommey, who was leading the interview, said. "Yeah, it was. It was hard," the mother replied. But then, the family had the children treated by an alternative practitioner, Ben Edwards, who has grown popular in their West Texas community amid the ongoing measles outbreak. Edwards administers unproven treatments, including cod liver oil and the steroid budesonide, which is used to treat asthma and Crohn's disease.

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https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/03/anti-vaccine-group-founded-by-rfk-jr-weaponizes-childs-measles-death/

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Mom of child dead from measles: "Don't do the shots," my other 4 kids were fine (Original Post) LiberalArkie Mar 2025 OP
Innocent children have my sympathies. Not their parents. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #1
It's legal to kill your kids in America. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #2
Really always has been when kids were working on the family farm. "Oh well Johnny died today. I guess I need to pop out LiberalArkie Mar 2025 #3
Well the farmers in my family did not go out of their way to let their kids die. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #6
I know.. It takes to long for another kid to come along. LiberalArkie Mar 2025 #12
The kids come along too fast. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #13
My mother was an orphan. Half Native Mexican-American and half Jewish. She was Maru Kitteh Mar 2025 #17
It has been for a long time stoned Mar 2025 #31
Yep. Americans don't care if their kids get shot to ribbons in the classroom. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #33
So I guess the six year-old was disposable? 386-week abortion? Jesus is cool with thaat though, Maru Kitteh Mar 2025 #4
They will be spending eternity with Jeebus. Abolishinist Mar 2025 #24
I find this statement by the mother to be very disturbing. madaboutharry Mar 2025 #5
The surviving kids should be taken away from them. They are abusive. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #7
I survived too, way before measles (and mr) were available. elleng Mar 2025 #8
translation: I still got 4 left. patphil Mar 2025 #9
And will make more! That's the tragedy, that she can lose one, not much care, and bring on another. mucholderthandirt Mar 2025 #28
I still have 4 children after my 1st son died...... Butterflylady Mar 2025 #32
That's some painful stupid going on there. Solly Mack Mar 2025 #10
So 80% is ok? milestogo Mar 2025 #11
Her other children aren't out of the woods yet Ineedamoment Mar 2025 #14
Hypocrites Comrade Citizen Mar 2025 #15
The good old days central scrutinizer Mar 2025 #16
I have no words. chia Mar 2025 #18
People like this better stay the fuck away from my family. Paladin Mar 2025 #19
Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #25
You're an antivaxxer? redwitch Mar 2025 #26
A child died from a preventable death because Emile Mar 2025 #20
Legal defense, especially in Texas, is religious freedom. It's worked for a very long time. mucholderthandirt Mar 2025 #29
It may be a legal defense, but we still have an innocent Emile Mar 2025 #30
Sounds like Bettie Mar 2025 #21
It's easier to make a new one I guess. Norbert Mar 2025 #22
People like this should NEVER be allowed to have children imo Meowmee Mar 2025 #23
The "Cognitive Disonance" is strong with this one." I wonder what this has done to the confidence in mom ... marble falls Mar 2025 #27
Sad and chilling part is all her kids could have died one by one and she would have been unmoved with vaccines. BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #34
So only 20% of her kids died? bif Mar 2025 #35
Imagine this person 200 years ago explaining to mothers that there is shot that will prevent almost all fatal childhood Johonny Mar 2025 #36
I'm convinced that the sick fuck RFK Jr just wants to watch the world burn. Initech Mar 2025 #37
Horrifying. Passages Mar 2025 #38
Fucking breeders GenThePerservering Mar 2025 #39
So they have lots of kids for the same reason I have multiple backups of my computer. Intractable Mar 2025 #40
Snake handling by cults has been (mostly) outlawed. LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 #41

LiberalArkie

(19,314 posts)
3. Really always has been when kids were working on the family farm. "Oh well Johnny died today. I guess I need to pop out
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:07 PM
Mar 2025

another one"

Always a balancing act as to how many kids were needed for the farm work. Get too many and may not be able to feed everyone enough for the work. Too few and all the crops might be able to be harvested and sold to pay the store bill.

Irish_Dem

(79,813 posts)
6. Well the farmers in my family did not go out of their way to let their kids die.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:21 PM
Mar 2025

I come from a long line of dairy farmers on one side of my family.

If the parents had too many kids and could not afford to feed them,
they sent the boys out to work in lumber camps or other farms.
The girls got sent out to work in other homes.

Sometimes the kids got sent to the convent or seminary to become priests or nuns.

But the point is they didn't let the kids die on purpose.

LiberalArkie

(19,314 posts)
12. I know.. It takes to long for another kid to come along.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:30 PM
Mar 2025

My mom's mom died giving birth to her at 42. She was having a child every 3 years until my mom. My grandfather sent all the young ones to aunts and gave up on family life. Just work the land with the older kids.

Irish_Dem

(79,813 posts)
13. The kids come along too fast.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:33 PM
Mar 2025

One of my grandfathers was one of 22 kids.
His mother was pregnant all the time.

Maru Kitteh

(31,247 posts)
17. My mother was an orphan. Half Native Mexican-American and half Jewish. She was
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:03 PM
Mar 2025

sent out from the orphanage to “foster” families on farms. One year she contracted influenza. They just left her in a lean-to against the house and waited for her to die, or get back to work. That was in Iowa in the 1940’s.

Somehow, after the unbridled horror of her childhood, my mom was the kindest, most compassionate and fundamentaly decent person you could know. She held no malice.

Irish_Dem

(79,813 posts)
33. Yep. Americans don't care if their kids get shot to ribbons in the classroom.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:00 PM
Mar 2025

Gun violence is the leading cause of death for American kids.
The adults could change that but they don't want to.


Maru Kitteh

(31,247 posts)
4. So I guess the six year-old was disposable? 386-week abortion? Jesus is cool with thaat though,
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:10 PM
Mar 2025

right?

madaboutharry

(42,027 posts)
5. I find this statement by the mother to be very disturbing.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:20 PM
Mar 2025

It makes me think that she didn't like this poor girl. She also had the other children treated by a quack. Something is wrong with her.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
8. I survived too, way before measles (and mr) were available.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:23 PM
Mar 2025

My daughters both received the shots, and did OK.

mucholderthandirt

(1,753 posts)
28. And will make more! That's the tragedy, that she can lose one, not much care, and bring on another.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:24 AM
Mar 2025

Religion is the curse of humanity, along with whatever insanity plagues us. We fall for quacks, false profits, cults and just about any nonsense that comes along. Over and over and over again. Most people learned about Hitler, but here we are, with another maniac in charge, and that's not even including The Loon.

And it's not just America! It's all over, like a vicious cycle we just won't break. Another sixty years to beat it back, and then it will just happen all over again.

Butterflylady

(4,584 posts)
32. I still have 4 children after my 1st son died......
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:58 AM
Mar 2025

And I'm still very protective of my 4 remaining children, even when the youngest is 50 yrs old. I'd give anything to have him back.

I just don't understand people like that.

Ineedamoment

(12 posts)
14. Her other children aren't out of the woods yet
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:34 PM
Mar 2025

The boy had contracted measles as a 7-month-old, when he was too young to be vaccinated. "He got the virus from a child in his neighborhood who was unvaccinated," says Cvijanovich, who now practices in New Mexico.

It was a relatively mild case of measles, and the infant recovered. She says he grew up to be a healthy, bright kid — an honor student.

Then in middle school, he started to develop troubling symptoms. "He started getting lost between classes, lost like he couldn't find what class to go to next," Cvijanovich says.

Worried, the teen's parents took him to a series of doctors to figure out what was wrong, until a pediatric neurologist finally suspected a condition called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, or SSPE. It's a degenerative neurological condition that typically develops seven to 10 years after a measles infection. It is almost always fatal. Cvijanovich was part of the hospital team that confirmed the diagnosis.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/03/17/nx-s1-5328765/measles-outbreak-health-risk

Comrade Citizen

(344 posts)
15. Hypocrites
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:36 PM
Mar 2025

They don't trust the "english" science, yet they obey an english quack "alternative practitioner".
That quack doesn't care about them.

They are taught to not harm others, and then make sure to harm others by not vaccinating.

Texas has attracted every insane lunatic in the world to come here.

central scrutinizer

(12,648 posts)
16. The good old days
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 06:46 PM
Mar 2025

When childhood diseases were common. At a family reunion, I discovered there was one branch of the family tree that had nine kids. Only two survived beyond puberty.

Paladin

(32,286 posts)
19. People like this better stay the fuck away from my family.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 08:14 PM
Mar 2025

Criminal-level negligence on their part. And thanks for absolutely NOTHING, Bobby Kennedy Jr.

Response to Paladin (Reply #19)

Emile

(40,616 posts)
20. A child died from a preventable death because
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 08:19 PM
Mar 2025

the parents were irresponsible. The children should be in protective custody and the parents locked up for the death of their child.

mucholderthandirt

(1,753 posts)
29. Legal defense, especially in Texas, is religious freedom. It's worked for a very long time.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:26 AM
Mar 2025

Emile

(40,616 posts)
30. It may be a legal defense, but we still have an innocent
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:32 AM
Mar 2025

child.dead. Put me on that jury, I know how I would vote.

Bettie

(19,283 posts)
21. Sounds like
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 08:44 PM
Mar 2025

a truly loving mother....

I'd do anything for my kids. I vaccinated them because I love them.

My middle son is a pharmacy tech and he regularly reminds us of vaccines we should get.

Because he loves us enough to want us to live.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
23. People like this should NEVER be allowed to have children imo
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:43 PM
Mar 2025

Normal parents would be forever haunted that they caused their child's death and failed to protect him properly. Not say we have 4 other children etc.

marble falls

(71,087 posts)
27. The "Cognitive Disonance" is strong with this one." I wonder what this has done to the confidence in mom ...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:10 AM
Mar 2025

... for the the surviving four?

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Dr Ben Edwards at his graduation commencement


It's spread to Arizona, too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ejmontini/2015/06/11/arizona-legislature-gov-doug-ducey-aclu-lawsuit-medical-abortion/71014634/

BannonsLiver

(20,277 posts)
34. Sad and chilling part is all her kids could have died one by one and she would have been unmoved with vaccines.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:07 PM
Mar 2025

Johonny

(25,461 posts)
36. Imagine this person 200 years ago explaining to mothers that there is shot that will prevent almost all fatal childhood
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 06:23 PM
Mar 2025

diseases, but don't take the shot. She would end up tar and feathered. People have no sense of the modern world compared to the past.

Intractable

(1,640 posts)
40. So they have lots of kids for the same reason I have multiple backups of my computer.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 11:41 PM
Mar 2025

In case of a total system failure, just replace!

LudwigPastorius

(14,167 posts)
41. Snake handling by cults has been (mostly) outlawed.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:02 AM
Mar 2025

How is it that failing to vaccinate your children because...God....isn't?

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