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Baitball Blogger

(51,735 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 07:33 PM Mar 2025

D'oh! Is that egg on your face. What a timely time to use that old saying.

Venezuela minister says no Tren de Aragua members among US deportees
CARACAS, March 21 (Reuters) - Venezuela's Interior Minister Diosdado Cabello said on Friday that none of the hundreds of Venezuelans deported by the U.S. to a Salvadoran prison is a member of Venezuela's Tren de Aragua criminal gang, the reason Washington gave for expelling them.

"I believe with absolute responsibility that not a single one appears on the organizational chart of the now-extinct Tren de Aragua organization, not a single one," Cabello said on a podcast, saying he had names of the deportees from U.S. media and his own source.
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U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday invoked an obscure wartime law to deport rapidly people who were, according to the White House, members of the Venezuelan gang, which Washington has declared a terrorist group and alien enemy.

Despite a judge quickly blocking the measure, Trump's administration deported more than 200 Venezuelans - 137 under the wartime act - to El Salvador where they are being detained in the country's massive anti-terrorism prison, for a year subject to renewal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-minister-says-jailed-deportees-us-not-tied-tren-de-aragua-2025-03-21/?

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D'oh! Is that egg on your face. What a timely time to use that old saying. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Mar 2025 OP
Smacks of dubya's WMD... SheltieLover Mar 2025 #1
So what happens now? efhmc Mar 2025 #2
What are the charges used to hold them? Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2025 #3
But they had tattoos. Surely that is evidence??? tulipsandroses Mar 2025 #4
This exactly why procedural hearings are required for deportation. fargone Mar 2025 #5
This EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #6
I think it was easier to deport them because they had been defamed as criminals and people Baitball Blogger Mar 2025 #7

fargone

(552 posts)
5. This exactly why procedural hearings are required for deportation.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 09:35 PM
Mar 2025

I don't believe the US government claim that everyone rounded up was a member of the gang tsf can't pronounce. However I have little reason to believe the Venezuelan statement either. US " we are not telling you who was on the planes". Venezuela "we have a secret flow chart and the unidentified prisoners are not on it". The gang could be extinct in Venezuela but still exist in other parts of the world. If that is the case you wouldn't expect to find new recruits on Venezuela 's list.

EdmondDantes_

(1,383 posts)
6. This
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 09:38 PM
Mar 2025

It's in the Trump administration's interest to say they were all gang members and in Venezuela's interest to say they weren't. That's why we have due process.

Baitball Blogger

(51,735 posts)
7. I think it was easier to deport them because they had been defamed as criminals and people
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:29 AM
Mar 2025

just let it happen.

In sum, if they truly are not criminals, this is a massive clusterfuck.

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