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buzzycrumbhunger

(1,648 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 08:00 PM Mar 2025

Interesting parallels...

I want to tell you a story about a little company called Enron, one of the most powerful corporations that ever existed in the history of capitalism before it disappeared in a flash fraud.

I know most of you already know the outline, but I want to provide a short review, for reasons that will become clear.

At its height, Enron was considered the #1 most innovative company in America. It is the ONLY company in the history of FORTUNE Magazine to grace the cover twice. The CEO was a hero and Enron was ranked the #1 employer in the nation.

An excellent documentary about Enron’s shady business model, their political connections, their global domination of energy markets, and eventual collapse is titled, The Smartest Guys in the Room. In short, the people who ran Enron were universally considered ‘geniuses’ by the corporate media, the financial press, and a flock of shareholder fans.

After a decade of rampant sales and profit growth, some accounting experts noticed that something didn’t add up with Enron’s accounting numbers. At the time, no one would have ever conceived that Enron was for years engaged in the largest accounting fraud in the history of the US. Enron even had one of the most respected global accounting firms, Arthur Anderson LLP, sign off on the cooked numbers.

As Enron’s stock started to plummet, the corporate insiders including the founding family, the CEO, the CFO, and all the early investors started bailing on the stock. At the same time they were dumping their shares, these executives held an ‘All Hands’ meeting with their employees, imploring them not to sell their shares—which for many longtime employees was their entire retirement nest egg. These were regular workers, sales people, machinists, engineers, and others who invested their life and soul into this company, and had worked for many years, expecting to have a comfortable retirement.

At the time, no one thought the fastest-growing and most innovative company in the US could be built on pure fraud. Literal smoke and mirrors. Enron would become famous as the largest corporate bankruptcy in US history, and the fallout was only contained because Enron’s executives were best friends with the White House administration.

Does any of this sound familiar?….

(C&P from a FB post—no clue who to give credit to…)

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Interesting parallels... (Original Post) buzzycrumbhunger Mar 2025 OP
Elon Ron? multigraincracker Mar 2025 #1
L. Ron Hoover? JoseBalow Mar 2025 #5
L Ron Hoovers 90-percent Mar 2025 #12
I've got a better idea! JoseBalow Mar 2025 #13
Thank you 90-percent Mar 2025 #14
Completely keepthemhonestO Mar 2025 #2
Overvalued stocks at both Enron and Tesla Redleg Mar 2025 #3
Yeah, but sooner or later they eventually collapse under the weight of their Fraud Wiz Imp Mar 2025 #9
Enron is, and will remain a very sore point with Californians. alwaysinasnit Mar 2025 #4
Ken Lay EQUALS Eloon Musk. Both shucksters pushing bullshit IrishBubbaLiberal Mar 2025 #6
When Tesla crashes, DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #7
I keep saying, Tesron....... joanbarnes Mar 2025 #8
With $1.4B missing @ Tesla, I would say it sounds familiar. n/t aggiesal Mar 2025 #10
USEC was privatized at the same time. Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #11

90-percent

(6,954 posts)
12. L Ron Hoovers
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:49 AM
Mar 2025

First Church of Appliantology


You're plooking too hard on mèeee!!

--90% JIMMY

Proud to incorporate FZ into my values since Oct 16 1971 Stony Brook Mothers late show. And also attended last FZ show in America in 1988.


90% jimmy

JoseBalow

(9,156 posts)
13. I've got a better idea!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:13 PM
Mar 2025

You are so lucky to have caught such a great first show! How could you not fall in love after an experience like that?

Here's an audience recording of that late show at Stony Brook on October 16, 1971. It's pretty good sound quality but with some cuts...

(1:24:57)

And what a great line Up! Frank, Flo & Eddie, Jim Pons, Ian Underwood, Don Preston, and the incomparable Aynsley Dunbar!

00:00 - Call Any Vegetable [cuts in]
10:41 - Anyway The Wind Blows
14:26 - Magdalena
21:08 - Dog Breath
26:09 - Peaches En Regalia
29:28 - Tears Began To Fall
32:04 - Shove It Right In
38:47 - Billy The Mountain Preamble
40:57 - Billy The Mountain
1:18:22 - Who Are The Brain Police?


That last U.S. show in '88 was released on vinyl and CD in 2021. It includes the infamous Beatles/Texas Motel Medley that excoriates Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell. They also played When the Lie's So Big and Jesus Thinks You’re A Jerk... What a treat!


Here's a good quality recording from a show on St. Paddy's Day 3/17/88 in Binghamton, NY the week before...

"It's not really religion, it's make-believe television religion!"

(9:34)


I love it... it's a way of life!

90-percent

(6,954 posts)
14. Thank you
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 05:03 PM
Mar 2025

For all the excellent links! Went to about eight shows in the northeast. Went to first show of the tour in Albany. Car friend had a backstage pass for bushnell Hartford show, but couldn't go because frank received a death threat.
-90% jimmy

keepthemhonestO

(628 posts)
2. Completely
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 08:16 PM
Mar 2025

Forgot about that, I was just coming of age then and really only heard about them after the fall out.

Thanks for the reminder.

When Tesla urged them to hold their stocks, something about it did not sit right with me. Thanks for putting a pin in it.

Redleg

(6,812 posts)
3. Overvalued stocks at both Enron and Tesla
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 09:24 PM
Mar 2025

Wall Street seems quite blind to smoke and mirrors and they like self-aggrandizing bullshit operators like Musk.

Wiz Imp

(8,913 posts)
9. Yeah, but sooner or later they eventually collapse under the weight of their Fraud
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:44 PM
Mar 2025

That will happen with Tesla too. The only question is how long will it take?

alwaysinasnit

(5,547 posts)
4. Enron is, and will remain a very sore point with Californians.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:32 PM
Mar 2025
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-may-09-fi-scheme9-story.html

One of Enron Corp.’s favorite trading strategies during the California electricity crisis was like booking an airline ticket for a flight you don’t intend to board.

It’s a waste of time and money unless you’re sure the flight will be overbooked and the airline will have to dish out rewards to passengers who agree to stay home.

Enron--and, possibly, other energy traders--worked variations on this theme to collect special fees from the California Independent System Operator, the embattled traffic cop for the state’s power grid following deregulation.

Sometimes Cal-ISO would pay Enron premiums not to use power that the firm didn’t really need in the first place. Sometimes Enron would exploit California’s emergency price caps, buying power at the capped price and then selling it at huge profit out of state, where there were no price caps.

snip...
 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
6. Ken Lay EQUALS Eloon Musk. Both shucksters pushing bullshit
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:38 PM
Mar 2025

ENRON Ken Lay SCREWED his own close family members out of their $$$$.

Ken Lay told his employees to hold on to their stock as the company started
it’s downward spiral collapse DUE to the entire business of ENRON was a total
SCAM. A TOTALLY FRAUDULENT ENTERPRISE!

Sounds similar to Eloon.
Promised self driving cars for years and years.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
7. When Tesla crashes,
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:38 PM
Mar 2025

fear will grip the Stock Market, and the UBER Rich and Corporations will sell short and the public will suffer like never before....

Blue Full Moon

(3,144 posts)
11. USEC was privatized at the same time.
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:02 PM
Mar 2025

Every thing was the same. Same investors, same people created both.

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