The path out is rather obvious and has been for quite a while.

...the democratic party has cut off its nose to spite Bernie? Even now I suspect there are dems who think Trump and the death of democracy are a fair price to pay for keeping Bernie out of the presidency. This thread is full of their rationalizations. "He's not a real democrat!" Neither is TSF.

It sounds as if you're saying that Senator Sanders is so embittered by his losses that he's telling folks to abandon the Democratic Party. Do you have evidence for that claim?

Why on earth would anyone here say that there are Democrats who think "the death of democracy" is a fair price to pay" for anything whatsoever?

1980s. Sorry Jeffries may be a good man, but he has no communications skills or charisma. Chuck is
in the last century.

around the country preaching to the choir or attacking other Democrats. Too many people want to "burn it all down". Well, that is what gave us 2000, 2016, and 2024, along with citizens united, and a Supreme Court with an extremist agenda for at least the next decade.

Elections have consequences, and perhaps it is time to pay the piper, and pay for the consequences of our collective actions.

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saying things like

We would lose every election.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/bernie-sanderss-bad-idea-left-should-quit-democratic-party.html

Ratings for Congress as a whole are usually low but when asked about their own member it's much higher.

The excerpt above says:

In 2023 Democrats in Congress were +54 with Democrats. Now, two years later, they are -9.

(two of which didn't even ask the "approval" question) and devised the chart. Apparently the author thought that no one would read the fine print or research the actual polling dates and questions.

All of the data he sources comes from February polling. It has nothing to do with Chuck Schumer voting to keep the federal courts and the Social Security Administration open rather than closing them as an act of "resistance".

It turns out that the author owns the data company that devised the chart. No wonder he's flogging it.

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Interestingly, the author of the opinion piece does link to a Gallup poll (from February as well) that asked Democrats this question:

The "data scientist" who wrote this opinion piece does not link to the February 2025 poll that he inexplicably cites under the screen shot of a chart that his own company (Split Ticket) devised as "net approval" based on the results of three different polls, two of which did not actually ask a "do you approve of your party" question.

Did anyone bother to go to the primary sources (i.e. the polls themselves and the author's company's website) to see whether the data were massaged or manipulated?

Unfortunately, there are politicians running around blaming Republicans and Democrats equally for Trump's abuses, working hard to convince voters that there is no difference between the two parties, and even encouraging potential candidates to run against Democrats as independents.

There are even politicians offering joke-y apologies to the Democrats they badmouthed a few years ago, finally admitting how very wrong they were now that's too late and the damage has been done.

Why on earth are politicians on tours saying things like "We need a Democratic Party that will fight". In what way does that help the Democratic Party? Who benefits from that kind messaging? Why aren't they saying things like "We are the Democratic Party and we are fighting"?

And of course the MSM is running with the "Democrats badmouthing Democrats" narrative. It's great for ratings.

Meanwhile, because the government was not shut down, the federal courts are still operating, the vast majority of federal workers have not been furloughed (with the remainder working without pay), and Social Security Administration continues to cut checks and process applications.

Yes, it may have been disappointing to be deprived of a moment to pump one's fist in the air and yell, "Resist!", but luckily cooler heads prevailed because there was no viable exit strategy for a hot-headed move.

And now, nothing that the Trump administration is doing can be blamed on "Democrats shutting down the government".

...moving something from the left to the center moves it toward the right.

Luckily, more Democrats (and Americans in general) are leaning more toward liberal views than conservative, according this 2024 Gallup poll...

Vs Democrats hold a press conference opposing their latest outrage America’s press corpse fails to cover.

Meanwhile most people don’t know or care because they are too busy finding a way to pay for rent, food and toilet paper.

But, I would walk across broken glass to vote for them in the General...it is them or more Republicans. I don't think our Republic can survive if we don't take back the House at least at the midterm and maybe maybe we get the Senate. This is the most dangerous regime in our history. It is sort of like the 90's only much worse when everything had gone ultra-right for 12 years. Clinton ran as a centrist and stopped Bush I. It would have been 16 years of the GOP holding the presidency if Bush had won.

We won't last long a a country if we don't stop Trump and his merry band of Fascist scum....so I will vote for any any Democrat in the General=it is our only play I do hope we can primary some of the traitorous Democrats who voted with the GOP and helped pass the continuing resolution. But the bottom line is we have to stop the bleeding by electing as many Democrat as we can in the General. We can do nothing if we remain in the minority. Dividing the Party will only help Republicans. And a new party takes years to launch...we don't have years.

Why can't it be other, more trustworthy Democrats?

do you mean Democrats who are not on tour saying

Any shutdowns, slowdowns, or stoppages of services are solely and completely Trump's fault.

During the last shut down in a Trump administration, he closed the immigration courts.

Because those courts are open, Mahmoud Kahlil had a hearing this week, and federal judges are demanding answers on when and why the Trump administration disappeared people to El Salvador and reinstating fired federal workers to their jobs.

And the federal courts postponed cases that the DOJ was party to.

Democrats are engaged and understand the country is going to shit. Trump is in the glorious fucking around phase. But the find out is coming. There is no way the consequences of all the bad decisions are going to bear fruit.

And Democratic leaders really are powerless to do much. But I think their base is going to be very, very motivated in 2026. The 2026 primary and general is going to be interesting.

I would be shocked right now if any democratic voter answered a poll saying they're satisfied. Sure they hate Trump, but the general anger at the whole corrupt system is obvious.

Thanks for your thoughts

Couldn’t have said it better

The smallest group wants the Party to become more liberal

Lots of polls are relatively useless push polls,

BUT When the exact topic or govt issue is asked, guess what?
Voters AGREE with the progressives!

Far too long the idiot monied interests have skewed
BOTH political parties to the right.

When voters are asked specifically on most issues
It definitely shows a LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE slant.

Nt

"I am a Democrat"--Will Rogers