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Buttoneer

(921 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 08:56 AM Mar 2025

Empathy is evil?

Heard this on NPR this morning. It's terrifyiing.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/22/nx-s1-5321299/how-empathy-came-to-be-seen-as-a-weakness-in-conservative-circles
"There's a growing movement, among some conservatives, pushing back against traditional notions of empathy. What's behind it, and what might it mean, especially for Christian conservatives?"

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Empathy is evil? (Original Post) Buttoneer Mar 2025 OP
Diversity is evil, Equality is evil, Inclusion is evil, helping others is evil, care for the poor, sick, elderly is evil Midnight Writer Mar 2025 #1
No multiplication of loaves and fishes allowed.. BattleRow Mar 2025 #23
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. -1984 Dave Bowman Mar 2025 #2
That's exactly what I said to my wife when we heard it! Buttoneer Mar 2025 #7
Great bumper sticker: SCantiGOP Mar 2025 #12
That will be my next sign--thanks. Timeflyer Mar 2025 #16
I make buttons and that sells a lot. As well as "Make Atwood Fiction Again" n/t Buttoneer Mar 2025 #18
Both Orwell's and Atwood's writings are based on true happenings. Girard442 Mar 2025 #52
I love that! ShazzieB Mar 2025 #53
ghost of ayn rand rises again. NewHendoLib Mar 2025 #3
The depth of their hate swallows entire universes Clouds Passing Mar 2025 #4
A new moniker is needed; perhaps "Faux-Christo" Martin Eden Mar 2025 #5
Christolite.... BattleRow Mar 2025 #22
We've been using xian for them. Too bad some real Christians are being brought down by their evil. erronis Mar 2025 #26
I knew it was something like xian Martin Eden Mar 2025 #47
NAZI 101 Kid Berwyn Mar 2025 #6
That's quite an observation. Never heard it before. It's good on face value, as a nutshell analysis, but.... EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #30
Think about all the horrible comments about poor people - lazy, dirty, lowly, etc. All things considered Solly Mack Mar 2025 #8
"The poor you will always have with you". BarbD Mar 2025 #19
Especially if you strive to keep people poor. Solly Mack Mar 2025 #20
And if your greed for power and all the riches makes others impoverished. erronis Mar 2025 #28
Hard work, ambition, enterprise are the excuses used to cover for the inhumanity. EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #35
Yep. Oppress people then blame them for their own oppression. Solly Mack Mar 2025 #43
Your comment on the Gospel of Prosperity is exactly right. The only addenda I would add is.... EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #33
But God wants them to have that new plane and if you love god, you'll send money. Solly Mack Mar 2025 #42
Mighty Christian Rebl2 Mar 2025 #9
Empathy is evil in the Trump Bizarro World. n/t elocs Mar 2025 #10
I heard it, too. ... littlemissmartypants Mar 2025 #11
Office Politics and Church bmichaelh Mar 2025 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author oberle Mar 2025 #45
As an organist... oberle Mar 2025 #51
are they dissing Christ? eShirl Mar 2025 #14
Jesus has nothing to do with their religion wryter2000 Mar 2025 #21
Amen! John Farmer Mar 2025 #25
They found another one. underpants Mar 2025 #39
Frightening alarimer Mar 2025 #15
That should be "Xtian conservatives". They're taking the word "Christian" in vain. calimary Mar 2025 #17
Sounds like a bunch of sociopath serial killers. milestogo Mar 2025 #24
Empathy is what holds society together. patphil Mar 2025 #27
"When plunder becomes a way of life... snot Mar 2025 #29
Where have I heard this before? Angrboda Mar 2025 #31
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #58
Jesus wept. FalloutShelter Mar 2025 #32
Walk a mile in my... lame54 Mar 2025 #34
One definition of EVIL is the lack of Empathy. mackdaddy Mar 2025 #36
sociopathy - the big debate whether it is a mental disorder or just evil. nt CousinIT Mar 2025 #38
Great quote. sinkingfeeling Mar 2025 #56
It is to sociopaths. nt CousinIT Mar 2025 #37
"Misanthropic empaths" make empathy less trustworthy gulliver Mar 2025 #40
It's a form of Christian Libertarianism, a gross distortion of the christian faith focused on material wealth. sop Mar 2025 #41
"If Empathy is a sickness... Buttoneer Mar 2025 #44
According to Musk, empathy is the fundamental weakness of western civilization LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #46
"It is in the shelter of each other that the people live". Irish Proverb EarnestPutz Mar 2025 #48
Faux Christians recognize Trump is evil BadgerMom Mar 2025 #49
I don't see how John Farmer Mar 2025 #50
Meanwhile in Denmark. . . Stargleamer Mar 2025 #54
Empathy can be counter-productive stoned Mar 2025 #55
Antichrist archetype Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #57
They.Are.Not.True.Christians purr-rat beauty Mar 2025 #59

Midnight Writer

(25,142 posts)
1. Diversity is evil, Equality is evil, Inclusion is evil, helping others is evil, care for the poor, sick, elderly is evil
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:07 AM
Mar 2025

Welcome to Life In the Foodchain, where the big dogs eat the little dogs.

Girard442

(6,820 posts)
52. Both Orwell's and Atwood's writings are based on true happenings.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:55 PM
Mar 2025

They've never been exactly fictitious.

Martin Eden

(15,358 posts)
5. A new moniker is needed; perhaps "Faux-Christo"
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:21 AM
Mar 2025

Or maybe just X-tian, given their association with Musk.

erronis

(22,644 posts)
26. We've been using xian for them. Too bad some real Christians are being brought down by their evil.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:05 PM
Mar 2025

Martin Eden

(15,358 posts)
47. I knew it was something like xian
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:56 PM
Mar 2025

I recall some time ago passages from Sermon on the Mount were read to MAGA xians, and they derided it as socialism.

Kid Berwyn

(22,890 posts)
6. NAZI 101
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:23 AM
Mar 2025

Friedrich Nietzsche: “Beyond Good and Evil”

Before Christ, civilizations organized along lines of power: Strong was Good. Weak was Evil.

Christianity upended the natural order: Peace (Weak) became Good. Strong (War) became Evil.

 

EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
30. That's quite an observation. Never heard it before. It's good on face value, as a nutshell analysis, but....
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:09 PM
Mar 2025

……I ‘m going to have to think more about it on a global scale. East vs West and throw in Islam and see what I can come up with. Thanks.

Solly Mack

(96,317 posts)
8. Think about all the horrible comments about poor people - lazy, dirty, lowly, etc. All things considered
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:09 AM
Mar 2025

unvirtuous. Undesirable traits that are also associated with crime and sin.

Poor people must be bad people gives rise to poor people must be sinners or thugs.

If that's true, then not being poor means all things good. All things virtuous. All things "godly".

Poor people are beyond redemption. They are poor because they are bad people who don't want to work or save or be good.

Why should you feel for people like that?

Why should they get "your" money?

Why should your taxes go to people like that?

Why should you even feel for sorry for them?

Why should you concern yourself with them?

(Conservatives have said that free school lunches only encourage the poor to be poor (same with any aid) - can't pay, children can't eat. Blame your parents for being poor/bad/lazy/criminals, not the school, not the community, not the "good" people. We gave them a cheese sandwich! Pay your lunch bill poor people! Or we will shame your children.)

Prosperity Gospel.

God wants you to be rich.

If God wants you to be rich, then he wants the poor to be poor because they are not Godly people.

There's also Ayn Rand and her philosophy that conservatives and libertarians embraced all mingled throughout.

Empathy as an evil is not a new concept even if not said so directly before.

BarbD

(1,368 posts)
19. "The poor you will always have with you".
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:42 AM
Mar 2025

Claimed to be a quote from the bible, so said a Goldwater Republican in 1958.

erronis

(22,644 posts)
28. And if your greed for power and all the riches makes others impoverished.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:06 PM
Mar 2025

Strange how that works....

 

EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
33. Your comment on the Gospel of Prosperity is exactly right. The only addenda I would add is....
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:13 PM
Mar 2025

….something about a new airplane for the TV preacher.

Solly Mack

(96,317 posts)
42. But God wants them to have that new plane and if you love god, you'll send money.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:26 PM
Mar 2025

Then God will bless you in some way.

No one ever demands their (investments) donations to God back. Ka-Ching!

Rebl2

(17,396 posts)
9. Mighty Christian
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 10:34 AM
Mar 2025

Of them. Oh wait they were NEVER Christians. They said they were to get votes. Their actions and words say otherwise!

bmichaelh

(1,084 posts)
13. Office Politics and Church
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:26 AM
Mar 2025

Many go to church for political reasons.

Not party politics but office politics.

I worked at a hospital.

A good portion of the people in my department went to the local 1st Baptist Church.

But during the work week, some of them bullied others and acted in the most non-Christlike behavior.


Response to bmichaelh (Reply #13)

oberle

(272 posts)
51. As an organist...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:34 PM
Mar 2025

...I have worked in churches all my life, from age 14 to now (77). The fewest Christians per square inch can be found among the clergy.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
15. Frightening
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:31 AM
Mar 2025

Empathy is part of human nature. It's not a luxury only for good times. It is who we are.

This is pure evil.

calimary

(89,028 posts)
17. That should be "Xtian conservatives". They're taking the word "Christian" in vain.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 11:32 AM
Mar 2025

Perverting its very meaning.

patphil

(8,723 posts)
27. Empathy is what holds society together.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:06 PM
Mar 2025

We can't survive as individuals, or even in family groups. Tribes can survive, but it requires a degree of empathy just to reach that point.
Without empathy, there's nothing to hold us together; humanity would never rise above small groups of hunter/gatherers.

It's evident that a lack of empathy has resulted in the whole of human history being just one big war for dominance.
Empathy is simply a way that love is expressed. A loveless society is doomed to fail; to tear itself apart in endless conflict, and I see less and less love in the interactions between people around the world every day.
It's not hard to see where we're headed as a species, and it doesn't look good.

snot

(11,494 posts)
29. "When plunder becomes a way of life...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:08 PM
Mar 2025

...for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

– Frédéric Bastiat, Economic Sophisms, 2nd series (1848), Ch. 1 "Physiology of Plunder."

mackdaddy

(1,943 posts)
36. One definition of EVIL is the lack of Empathy.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:18 PM
Mar 2025

This apparently comes from people at the Nurenburg Nazi Trials studying how they could behave that way.

https://gadfly.igc.org/eds/ethics/evil.htm

In 1946, Dr. Gustav M. Gilbert, a psychologist fluent in German, was assigned by the U.S. Army to study the minds and motivations of the Nazi defendants at the Nuremberg tribunals. The following year, his Nuremberg Diary was published, containing transcripts of his conversations with the prisoners. (Excerpts here).

In words consistent with what I have read of, and about, Gustav Gilbert, he is portrayed in the 2000 TV film “Nuremberg,” as telling the Head Prosecutor Robert Jackson (Alec Baldwin), “I told you once that I was searching for the nature of evil. I think I’ve come close to defining it: a lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants: a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow man. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”

“Absence of empathy” is likewise, I submit, “the one characteristic that connects” most of the immoral and misbegotten tenets of right-wing Replublicanism: that dogmatic mix of market fundamentalism, libertarianism, corporatism and simple greed that falsely describes itself as “conservatism,” and which I choose to call “regressivism.” “Absence of empathy” is the essence of evil which, if unchecked and unreversed, is certain to bring about the demise of the American republic as we know it, just as it led to the advent of the Third Reich.

gulliver

(13,713 posts)
40. "Misanthropic empaths" make empathy less trustworthy
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:25 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:31 PM - Edit history (1)

I think the most important thing when dealing with empathy is to make sure you're doing the dance right. The empathy dance isn't The Hustle. It's not easy, something you can do with a bunch of people when you're drunk, and kind of dumb. If you find empathy easy, are proud you have a lot of it, and hate the evil people who don't have it, you're probably not doing the empathy dance right.



sop

(17,400 posts)
41. It's a form of Christian Libertarianism, a gross distortion of the christian faith focused on material wealth.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:25 PM
Mar 2025

These are people who believe traditional christianity's self-sacrificial love of neighbor is incompatible with the libertine ideal of radical individualism and the prosperity doctrine.

BadgerMom

(3,378 posts)
49. Faux Christians recognize Trump is evil
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:27 PM
Mar 2025

and do mental gymnastics to prove he’s right, that he’s moral. They have twisted true Christian doctrine into something unrecognizable to accommodate their greed and worship of their antichrist. Some actually Christians need to speak to their followers.

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