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Neema

(1,181 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:18 PM Mar 2025

Need advice from tech savvy folks regarding international travel.

I am making plans to spend a few years abroad and hope to leave as soon as possible. I'm reading stories of even US citizens getting stopped both leaving and returning to the country and their phones searched for things like anti-trump posts on social media. Perhaps those stories are made up, but I don't want to take any chances. Should I completely wipe my phone and start over when I land safely? Or is it enough to just remove all social media apps and my browsing history from my phone? I don't necessarily want to spend the money getting rid of my phone and starting over if I don't have to, but what do y'all think is the safest move?

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Need advice from tech savvy folks regarding international travel. (Original Post) Neema Mar 2025 OP
K&R as I'd like to know also uppityperson Mar 2025 #1
What's the law allowing phone searches? BadgerKid Mar 2025 #2
I'm pretty sure it's completely illegal to search someone's phone, esp a citizen. However Neema Mar 2025 #4
At the border, you have less rights as to phone searches. Big Blue Marble Mar 2025 #12
I think it's legal cally Mar 2025 #13
If you are a US citizen, they cannot deny you entry into the US if you refuse a search newdeal2 Mar 2025 #3
I'm mostly concerned about getting out. Not sure when I'll be returning but hopefully it Neema Mar 2025 #5
Then I don't think you have anything to worry about newdeal2 Mar 2025 #6
Okay, that's what I was hoping but I've heard stories of people getting stopped even leaving the country. Neema Mar 2025 #7
Yes, this is true. cos dem Mar 2025 #9
I've been out and back in the country 3 times this year. No one has ever asked for sinkingfeeling Mar 2025 #17
They don't have the staff to look at every US phone at immigration. That was a one-off and a foreigner. lindysalsagal Mar 2025 #8
EFF Border Search Guide. usonian Mar 2025 #10
This is very helpful. Thanks. Neema Mar 2025 #15
Get Global Entry Bobstandard Mar 2025 #11
I've had Global Entry for years, it's amazing. But I don't necessarily expect it to protect me these days. Neema Mar 2025 #14
FindLaw summary is good: spooky3 Mar 2025 #16
Found some more today. usonian Mar 2025 #18
Good finds Neema Mar 2025 #19

Neema

(1,181 posts)
4. I'm pretty sure it's completely illegal to search someone's phone, esp a citizen. However
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:28 PM
Mar 2025

it feels like a situation where they'd use my refusal to haul me away while they "investigate" the matter.

Big Blue Marble

(5,666 posts)
12. At the border, you have less rights as to phone searches.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:00 PM
Mar 2025

I would only cross borders right now with a new burner phone.

newdeal2

(4,697 posts)
3. If you are a US citizen, they cannot deny you entry into the US if you refuse a search
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:26 PM
Mar 2025

But they main detain you for a bit or take your phone. If you are not a US citizen, things get murkier.

If you are worried, I would sign-out of anything sensitive, then delete the app. Transfer any sensitive data/files to another device at home, then hard delete those items.

If you're really worried, leave your main devices at home and buy a "travel" phone that is clean.
That's what they advise you to do when visiting China.

Neema

(1,181 posts)
5. I'm mostly concerned about getting out. Not sure when I'll be returning but hopefully it
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:30 PM
Mar 2025

will be after the orange stain on our country is gone. So there will be no "home" to leave my devices at. I either take them or ditch them entirely. But I want to make sure my money stretches so I don't want to get a new phone if I don't have to do so.

newdeal2

(4,697 posts)
6. Then I don't think you have anything to worry about
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:32 PM
Mar 2025

You're not going through border control when leaving the US. So no one in the US will have any reason to check your phone since they don't care that you're leaving.

Neema

(1,181 posts)
7. Okay, that's what I was hoping but I've heard stories of people getting stopped even leaving the country.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:34 PM
Mar 2025

I'm probably just being paranoid but how can one NOT be paranoid these days?

cos dem

(938 posts)
9. Yes, this is true.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:43 PM
Mar 2025

I travel to Europe fairly frequently. The only check on the way out of the US is the airline making sure you have a valid passport (make sure it is signed. That's one of the things they're looking for lately). Mostly, this is because if you get denied entry into your destination, the airline has to pay for your return.

European countries, on the other hand, have passport control going in and out.

sinkingfeeling

(57,060 posts)
17. I've been out and back in the country 3 times this year. No one has ever asked for
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:02 PM
Mar 2025

nor looked at my phone.

lindysalsagal

(22,823 posts)
8. They don't have the staff to look at every US phone at immigration. That was a one-off and a foreigner.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:35 PM
Mar 2025

Bobstandard

(2,163 posts)
11. Get Global Entry
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 12:58 PM
Mar 2025

They call it “the trusted traveler program”. It includes TSAPreCheck so you get reduced screening at US airports. More importantly it usually results in reduced screening on return to the US. Its a simple process and you don’t give up more information than your credit card company or Costco already has.

If you’re a US citizen who is overtly politically active, get a travel phone because, while you can’t be forced to reveal your passwords, they can take your phone, copy everything, then do what they want. Expect increasingly intrusive behavior from ‘the authorities.’

Neema

(1,181 posts)
14. I've had Global Entry for years, it's amazing. But I don't necessarily expect it to protect me these days.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:25 PM
Mar 2025

I'm fully expecting increasingly intrusive behavior for sure. But my plan is to leave the country for a period of time, yet to be determined. So I can't have a travel phone and a home phone. I'd like to be able to take my own phone with me, but maybe it's not worth the risk. I can always delete all social media off my phone but my texts and emails would reveal the contributions I've made, groups I've joined, petitions I've signed, etc. Ugh.

usonian

(23,289 posts)
18. Found some more today.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:42 AM
Mar 2025

Is it safe to travel with your phone right now?

Recent high-profile deportations began with phone searches at airports. What are your rights? The answer: it depends.

https://www.theverge.com/policy/634264/customs-border-protection-search-phone-airport-rights

Discussion on Hacker News (long, but nowhere as long as slashdot and others)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43452474

Neema

(1,181 posts)
19. Good finds
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:32 AM
Mar 2025

Interesting stuff. I guess I'll just wipe my phone before I leave. Even if the chances are slim because I'm a citizen and I'm leaving the country, I don't want to take any chances.

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