Every DUer must read this

I remain doubting malaise from Nov 5

I'm bookmarking too just in case.

.... but I have NEVER doubted the elections were being rigged and stolen. The addition of computers post-2000 was the key.

Here are some of my former post links, plus additional ones to support your arguments that the elections have been rigged. I believe the rigging has been going on since 2000.

Apologies for duplicates.

The fix in 2024 was in "they rigged the election" and the midterms as well

Read the word-by-word transcript.
https://www.youtube.com/live/44PSaIfKGtE?si=2uak0o5coCDKcKKt&t=145

And my original post.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/13242540

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Social Security
https://tinyurl.com/SS-Gone

https://tinyurl.com/GP-Stuff

https://tinyurl.com/NTay5

https://www.thenumbersarewrong2024.com/across-the-us/flipped-counties

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132265983

I'm on it!

rally that they didn't need the votes, and that they'd never have to vote again, nobody questioned what happened. Why? Because for 4 years we had to mock the MAGAts for saying the 2020 election was stolen. What a perfect set-up for the Democratic party to have to STFU about the election being stolen in 2024?

But I've been watching elections longer than most DUers have been on this planet, and I've never seen one that was so pristinely clean and fast. It was like a staged event. It wasn't like any election I've ever seen. And I knew that night. I told my husband as we watched that the computers were hacked by trump's silicon valley friend$$.

we need to know the answers.

It's like some dystopian nightmare.

This country wasn't "constituted" for the oligarchs.

The oligarchs became so because of this country.

America needs to be saved from oligarchy. Our patriots, Walz, AOC, Sanders and others, are on the right track. Let's hope they can inspire hackers and heavy hitting trial law firms to take this on.

"red hat" teams? Google listed every color but red.

Here's a reddit post that added to my confusion.


https://www.reddit.com/r/redhat/comments/ei19ga/explain_me_who_is_red_hat_hacker_and_also_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

This reddit post does mention red hat. I'm including all this to inform other posters about this important definition.

https://www.reddit.com/r/redhat/comments/ei19ga/comment/fcow7qd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

or exploits human users or humans in general.

Like we'll lose every election going forward

and hacker folks can do when they're pissed off for the sake of their children's futures.

was mentioned. He's in with the Tech Bros, also Thiel is the person who suggested Vance as VP. Thiel is tight with Musk. These guys want to tank the economy and promote cryptocurrency. They have their own agenda.

I noticed on Ayman tonight, they were talking about this. Also, the felon is just in it for himself, or as we know he is in it for himself.

Also they were talking about bad blood between Bannon and Musk.

Bookmarking this thread.

They're into control of wealth and power for themselves while the felon goes on his distraction/revenge tour.

JD's been quiet because he rides their coattails and plans to win in 2028 the way the felon won in 2024.

is in as some DU posters have said. I have to read this OP closely, but is this being investigated thoroughly now??

The fix was a digital network hack. That hack doesn't have to be permanent; it can be stopped when the evidence is tracked down. But it takes lawyers, hackers and money.

Recommended.

Democrats should be screaming

I also had those exact feelings after the 1980 election when HW committed treason to throw the election to Reagan.
And again in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2016, as well as 2024................

Some of us here on DU have been screaming our heads off since the 1980 election..............

As I have repeatedly said here on DU.......The perfect title for a book about the past 45+ years would be:

WHILE THE NATION SLEPT................

was peanuts compared to what the HW CABAL rolled out, starting in late 1979's.....

But yes, Nixon was a piece of work, and helped with the beginning of some of their groundwork......

HW was pissed that Carter let WHO go? Go where?

Thanks!

This whole subject is a big flashing red light and I want to understand it thoroughly.

The entire article is worth a read.

https://inteltoday.org/2019/11/30/remembering-cia-director-george-h-w-bush-june-12-1924-november-30-2018/

“As the committees continued their investigations into late 1975, the Ford Administration had come to feel that then-DCI William Colby had disclosed more information to Congress than was necessary. This belief, coupled with the harsh reality that a dark cloud now hung over the CIA, led the President to conclude the Agency needed a new sense of morale and a new director who could improve strained relations with Congress. On January 30, 1976, Ford replaced Colby with George H.W. Bush. (…)

Three days after Jimmy Carter’s victory over President Ford, Bush called and offered his resignation. Carter became only the second president to pick a new DCI when he first entered the Presidency, setting a trend for presidents to come.

A final briefing between the two occurred on November 19th, when Bush described more than ten sensitive programs being run by the CIA and even mentioned staying on as Director. Carter was notably quiet. He later shut down many of these programs and accepted Bush’s resignation on January 10, 1977, the day of the Presidential Inauguration.“

So Carter sort of pushed bush to go, but bush resigned. My correction.

That's another feather in Carter's hat, and even more reason for my admiration for that great statesman!

that many recognize a common theme through decades, was HWBush, lurking in the back ground, with his CABAL of Cheney/Rumsfeld/Pearle/Wolfowitz and a hundred others.

At the end of Reagan's occupation of the White House, there were over a hundred of his admin that were sitting on indictments.
It was mandatory HW be elected President, so upon his first day in office he could pardon all of them for their corruption, felonies, or Treasonous acts..................

Greg Palast also told of very many voters being kicked off the rolls.
Many layers and levels and methods of deceit and trickery here.

Many of us here on DU were screaming our heads off since when HW committed TREASON in getting Reagan in office, then using him as a front man or pawn, so that HW and his CABAL could run things from the shadows in the background.
The amount of damage they did during that eight years was un-fathomable, and helped in a big way to all that we are experiencing today.

As I have often said here, the perfect title for a book about the last 45+ years would be:

WHILE THE NATION SLEPT...... or at the risk of getting censored......WHILE THE DEMOCRATS SLEPT
They were all walking down the jungle path, swatting at mosquitoes, completely oblivious to the herd of charging elephants......
PUN INTENDED.........

into that era. I wasn't as involved with politics as I have been since then, so I wasn't aware of that whole cabal's shenanigans. Can you suggest any reading that would shine a light on that?

out there, trading arms for hostages, the Iran/Contra affair, etc etc etc

Congress had explicitly banned them from weapon sales, and HW & CIA went ahead and did it anyways....

Google it, I'm sure there will be more reading than you want to do........

I've read so far what so many of us were convinced of; that nearly half of the US did not vote for Trump.

this could very well be proven.

This is serious shit

I agree, malaise. I read his/her posts are very in-depth.

He taught me who to look up more stuff on... the more I learned, the more the sirens went off.

I wish the New York Times investigative teams got on this.

This information could be the catalyst for white hat/red teams prepping for 2026 and 2028.

It would be quoted and re-reported national news for at least a week and beyond.

The commentary that got ripped right from random Twitter screenshots?

https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1ia7dkd/elons_role_in_stealing_the_us_election_explained/

over 30 years. He's honest. And too busy, as far as I know to make stuff up. I sat on his text for a week and looked around on reddit (reddit's hooked up with AI now, so ...), EFF and other sites and haven't seen anything.

But hey, if you've got something to prove, post the screen shots. It must be out there somewhere these days, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's come across this info in places I don't know about.

Can I just say that I love the irony here? Making a topic complaining about Elon Musk, while also ripping all of the commentary from Twitter?

likely went after Paul Weiss' firm -- he wins major tech battles. +1 for Musk/Thiel oligarchs.

https://www.paulweiss.com

fell to their knees toute suite, I thought, hmm, they have a thousand lawyers. Couldn't they find a lawyer in their firm to fight this??!! /s. And I read that H. Clinton had hired them, which puzzled me, too. (But then, who says Clinton is not corrupt?)
But the more I read about Paul, Weiss, I get the picture that they started out with admirable intentions because they were a firm that wanted to be an example of diversity, where Jews and Gentiles worked together. They also, in addition to hiring from the top law schools, also hired from a variety of schools.

But, they seem to have a very mixed reputation and I understood why they did this.

The power and wealth of Big Tech is about expanding itself without pesky govt or human interference or even tech law firms.

What Weiss did was about its long term survival.

To necessitate an investigation. If only the Rigging of the Federal Government to remove anyone who might hinder his slightest whim or suggest making him accountable for ANYTHING and inoculating his Administration against investigation by "flooding the zone" with fake news and conspiracy theories and chaff. Truth is now just his opinion. Does ANYONE think he would think twice before cheating. That's the only thing you can trust him to do: look out for Number One. So pardon me for thinking he ripped-off America.

transfer level to the actual white hat/red team digital footprint sleuthing they know how to do.

Of course you're absolutely right that we can't depend on the oligarch run loyalists of the felon to launch anything.
Of course they threaten those with the facts, truth and evidence. They don't want it revealed.

They're also in the process of erasing public data so that history can be rewritten about these events of the last 5 months.

Here's what WaPo's opinion section said about the felon reinventing reality -- in it's Op-Ed section, no less! From 13 days ago ... It's got good graphs!

https://archive.ph/RBvrt

that the companies like Cyber Ninjas doing election "audits" in 2021 may have found a way into the voting machines, copied the code, and spent the next 3-4 years developing ways to hack into them and switch enough votes to win.

those guys were nothing in the IT/hacker world, and they were proven incompetent.

But what they did open up concerns about was IT and possible satellite interference in elections. And so you're right to be concerned.

Now there is a pattern of circumstantial evidence. Enough to have all kinds of hacker teams and law firms investigating for evidence of wire fraud, code and ballot erasures, and who knows what else happened through the tabulators and servers.

And that election worker, Tina Peters, in CO who was caught on tape bringing in right wingers to check out the machines. The passwords to the machines were posted on a RW blog!

She got nine years, but the damage was already done.

She's a traitor of the first order!

Holy shit!!!

One where paper ballots were printed out that can be assessed physically, not machine read.

and was apprised of the means, but it was too late for him to do anything but enable a transition and the securing of a lot of valuable government documents. It was a big transition out as much as a transition of oligarchs in.

But there is a weird silence going on from our past presidents, fired CISA people and Silicon oligarchs. We need to not give up and keep them on our radar.

Harris conceded in a New York minute, then disappeared!!

Crickets!

At least Tim Walz is out there fighting! Love that guy!

For years I have rejected some people's insistence that the Democratic Party was as corrupt as the RWers.

I'm beginning to change my mind.

I called, and left a message to find out more. Maybe I will call again.

fund some investigations, since he worked for SDNY and knows how money Treasury->Fed->to on & offshore banks work. Goldman's got connections. Now I have an idea why he's been so quiet. I do hope you get a response that lets you know a bit more.

Thanks for the info!

I listened to his podcasts. He's knowledgeable, dedicated and I learned so much about the election from him.

He's the threat.

They took over the rotted elephant carcass that was the GOP.

...and DEEPLY looked into.

I want to know who really won this election.

Statistics are good, but I would like those statistics proven in one location.
Then maybe I'd donate more money to start looking at actual swing states.

wouldn't prove anything.

Would prove the reported results were incorrect

Could precincts keep double books? It happens. Does the party really want to pay for all that across battleground states? idk

The cost to electronic elections isn’t cheap, election departments hire the consultants to enter the choices and questions at thousands of dollars per . I think paying some honor roll 4th graders to count the top two races as a check on the system and to have transparency is worth while.

Of course it will.
If no vote erasure or vote flips, the hand count would match the ballot reader.

Before ballot readers like ES&S & Diebold, all ballots were counted by hand.
The precinct workers would count the ballots until about 1 - 2 am and post the precinct results, so voters could see how the precinct voted. Then they would send the ballots to the Registrar office. No counting was done at the Registrar's office, they just went by the precinct numbers and the election was determined way before 6am.

If they do that now, when they run the ballots through the readers, and they find a numbers discrepancy, handcount would happen a second time and ballot read a second time If the discrepancy still remains the handcount would have precedence.

Did you read this part of the IT guy's info...because if at any point in the chain of vote custody there is digital counting, there can be changed/deleted votes through any pre-set codes.

It’s because Elon very quietly and rapidly built a low-orbit Direct-to-Cell constellation, in which 265 satellites were in place and operational just two weeks prior to the Nov 5 election.

I'm not going to argue that that's what happened, but the OP timeline of oligarch and corporate involvement seem plausible.

Handcount removes all the electronics/computers/ballot readers out of the loop.

Why do you think they did the handcount in Arizona?
To prove the handcount numbers didn't match the ballot readers and prove Trump was correct.
Instead, the ballot readers got it wrong, but they ended up finding more votes for Biden.

Which numbers do you think they went with?
The numbers were changed to match the handcount.

in battlegrounds for once. That would be progress.

100%. I've always said we should check in a state we have control of!! They definitely cheated somehow. We have got to get this figured out BEFORE the 2026 election, for sure.

Elections can generally be hand counted quickly and accurately only when there is one or at most 2 races on the ballot.

Especially if hand counts were readily available if a problem showed itself

that would limit how many races to count when counting ballots with more than 2 races.
It takes longer but it gets done before the next day.

Any software that isn't opensource, freely auditable by all parties is less than trustworthy. Same goes for the hardware. There are too many ways machines can be corrupted, but with open systems, the machines are indeed more accurate and trustworthy than are hand counts with all the possibilities of human error and nefarious actors.

nt

Trump admitted it was rigged for him..

in time for 2024 and 2028. This thread is really about how, and who can/will get the hard evidence that supports the circumstantial evidence laid out here.

The GOP draft-dodging felon-rapist is proud of his corruption.

This was a combination of unprecedented demographic targeting verging on personalized brainwashing in swing states; an entire enemy power's intelligence apparatus focused on propaganda; and us only having a small fraction of a normal campaign season to work with.

I say that as someone who will defend until the end of time that 2004 and 2016 were rigged to hell and back, by every possible vector.

What we witnessed was a circus. We saw Musk openly offering bribes for votes. Manufactured discontent in Michigan. A lot of noise, which points to psy-op that's a lot of work compared to an outright rig. Rigs push the narrative of "both sides," convince people they're powerless, and don't try to excite anyone - not even their own zombie voters. Energy is harder to control than despair. They don't seek out niche interests to bribe; instead they try to keep everyone else confused and uninvolved.

As for the satellite thing, you'd need the entire SpaceX organization to be involved, not just its owner. That's Moon Hoaxer level ridiculous. SpaceX (and Tesla, btw) are packed to the rafters with liberal Democrats, and always have been. Any whiff of what you're suggesting and the companies would just cease to function immediately. They're not some Kafka factory of a 100-year-old aerospace institution, they're idealists - and the ideals are the opposite of the path Elon Musk chose lately in some drug psychosis.

We just didn't have time, and our leaders simply refused to stand up for the fact that the Trump campaign was unconstitutional.

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what the IT guy did about the players and timeline.

Okay if you think this is all about nothing. But me, if I were you, I'd rather err on the side of real investigations on the election tabulators and servers, and the aforementioned companies involved with Leonard Leo and Thiel, both connected to Musk and the felon. All down at Maralago a number of times in 2024.

They don't get to have it both ways. But for ourselves, we pretty much always succeed on turnout and moral clarity rather than the details of Republican crimes against democracy. So the fact of a GOP coup is something to mention, but not something to dwell on as the main point.

We've overcome coups twice now in this century alone. We'll do it again.

Personally, I'm more outraged by the open illegality of the regime than any question about how it came to power. This isn't a question of electoral method: The Constitution literally says these people are not allowed in power. Because people like them tried to destroy the country in the 1860s, and they're trying again now.

Until someone at least mentions that in an official context, we're not being serious.

how we've succeeded in the past. We HAVE the numbers. We know that.

And to your larger point, understand that the past doesn't offer lessons or formulas for solving what circumstantial evidence shows could have been going on six months ago. .

The GOP lives in a memory-free, totalitarian Ministry of Truth bubble where the past changes every second to make them feel better about themselves in the present. Despite the damage they do, there's really not much going on there: They're just a chemical spill masquerading as people.

But we remember things and learn from them, and one is that we win elections when we do them right. Democracy doesn't have an autopilot setting. It exists when we show up, and flickers out when we don't. That's it.

I hope it's mostly about people showing up, since it seems historically true that 90% of success is that. I hope you're right because we know there's righteous outrage out there. It's usually that print and digital media ignore human crowds these days until footage shows up on couple of prime time news sources, and even then corporate media downplay protests.

is not where our main focus should be.
These people, in a narrow way, are geniuses and I am bowled over by this world-shaking scheme! With emphasis on "World."

How long before F-Elon rules the world?

.....the vote they cast and real time camera recording of the vote tally simultaneously.

We go crazy to make sure the person is eligible to vote, but we never allow that person to verify that the was recorded correctly.

Then for absentee and such something else to record votes as they are tabulated.

Of course it's probably unrealistic for the short term, but it would settle a lot of questions.

It could still be a secret ballot.

And Direct-to-Cell and Palantir, which has been invested in and used by both the CIA and DoD.

I know my bar coded mail in ballot was burned because Florida does not send vote ballot verifications to voters. How I know is that I checked all the registrations and vote count sites that showed which states use voter verification and which don't.
FL's been cheating on both party registration numbers and vote counts since Gore in 2000.

...with voter name not disclosed in that tally.

Voters can walk away with verifications receipts -- though I and millions in Florida didn't get any
-- and they still won't guarantee an honest vote count if tabulators are used later.
Even a hand counted recount might not work. Because even verification slips can be lost, or counterfeited, or ... who knows.

I'm not going to argue either way about the veracity of this election. However, allowing the voter to verify his/her vote was recorded correctly, while a very good thing, does nothing to guarantee votes are tabulated correctly. If every Harris voter got a verification that their vote was recorded for Harris, where is the guarantee that each of those votes are actually counted correctly in the final tabulation?

a camera with a date time stamp records the displayed total (via a computer) votes in real time. What the camera records can be watched by auditors (from both parties.)
It sees that the vote which is verified by the voter (the voter only sees his tabulation but the camera records both the voters choices and the total vote change simultaneously.

..and no it doesn't address mail in votes, absentee votes, voter purges, or other means of voter suppression.

But it would make the count in precincts visible, verifiable in real time, and easily reviewed. You couldn't just delete votes after they are cast by some electronic program.

Now, what do we do with this information? I'm sure top Dem movers and shakers already have it. Where's the cavalry?

We're called the "underground" for a reason. We know very well that when investigations are ongoing -- if there are any right now -- and if they're sealed by a court, we can't know one darn thing, right?

There were a lot of names left off the felon's list of people denied classified access -- Lloyd Austin, fired CISA employees, Obama, Joint Chiefs, and Silicon Valley oligarchs who have war rooms with the Pentagon. At this point, who knows what they know.

So who is the cavalry is, we might never know, and what they do might be completely under wraps until court filings begin by big trial firms. Because it's highly unlikely that the military will use any reason but illegal orders for its stopping the felon.

I don't see how surge protectors and battery backups could access the computer CPU or memory.

I'd need a bit more product information - because the surge protectors and battery backups i;m familiar with would have no internet or computing capability.

If Thiel's Polymarket was raided after Nov 5, there should be a look at what the other companies actually do in connection with elections, imo.

The way I see it, the Direct-to-Cell Stingray capability is the problem.

it was often a conspiracy theory... find the evidence/proof and you have a conspiracy.

To be an essential part of election security.

I'm not going to bother addressing any of the other BS in the post, as it is all directly related to the false assumption that Tripp Lite is an election security company.

Edit - Looked into Tripp Lite some more to see what sort of history they have. Hilariously, my search dug up the Reddit topic and Twitter screenshots that OPs supposed IT guy ripped all his commentary from.

https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1ia7dkd/elons_role_in_stealing_the_us_election_explained/

with people desperately looking for evidence of "cheating" in the 2024 election. Unfortunately his arguments are extremely weak and provide little to no credible evidence of anything.

So even if he used that info, does it prove the other posters are wrong? He just said there's a thread that could be pulled, and so if you just want to be right about his sourcing, fine. If it's from reddit, I read they're contracted with ChatGPT, but not sure.

They're not. They manufacture various electronics protection equipment - Surge protectors, UPSs, circuit breakers, ect... They're not exactly an election security company, unless of course we're considering these pieces of equipment to be on the same level as a voting machine.

But hey, since you brought up ChatGPT, I suppose that explains why your 'IT Guy' ended up passing off stuff ripped from a Reddit post. Probably a spelling error. They mistyped Election Security into ChatGPT as Electronics Security (On second thought, it could also have been autocorrect.) and it ended up regurgitating, word for word, some of its training material.

When stuff floats around the nets and gets mixed with some ChatGPT version used on one of the biggest internet sites, you never know. Reddit's lost some of its cred over that.

Dead Internet Theory has certainly gained a lot of traction in recent years.

That said, the connection to Eaton is dubious. They manufacture... Huh. Various electronics safety equipment - Surge protectors, battery backups, ect. A company that makes Surge Protectors buying a competitor is hardly a shocker - More often than not, it's the easiest way for a investor to get a return on their investment.

Like I said. The entire line of reasoning is dubious, since it's based entirely on the false belief that Tripp Lite is a election security company.

It's not based on the TrippLite donation to a Leonard Leo connection. The whole thing's premised on the timing of Musk's low orbit satellites lining up with Direct-to-Cell/Palantir/Thiel on this election deal. They invested in the felon & JD for a big payoff. Doing the same in Wisconsin.