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gab13by13

(27,300 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:14 AM Thursday

People Need To Understand Why They Are Using Signal

The screen shot that Jeffrey Goldberg took showed a time stamp, that means that after a period of time the messages self-delete.

1. This is a violation of the Federal Records keeping Act.

2. This means that they plan to do shit that is illegal on Signal and if they are subpoenaed for documents they won't have them because they self-deleted.

At the Senate hearing it was Hegseth, I believe, who said that it is not illegal to use Signal if it is backed up on a government device. A Democrat should have asked Hegseth to see the saved document, can still ask, should still ask, to see it, because they do not have it.

They have been using Signal for at least a month and plan to keep using it. Dems can't let this get swept under the carpet.

We would have never known about this had they not inadvertently copied Jeffrey Goldberg, we will never know if they continue using Signal.

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People Need To Understand Why They Are Using Signal (Original Post) gab13by13 Thursday OP
Yep, with all messages set to auto delete they can say they know nothing uponit7771 Thursday #1
Partying after killing approximately 53 innocent people including children................ Lovie777 Thursday #2
completely missing the point, but noted .... stopdiggin Thursday #24
Next question, how many times have they used it and what for? Blue Full Moon Thursday #3
I think there is evidence they use it routinely. And it is the game plan laid out in Project 2025. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #15
Criminals in the White House and Congress. spanone Thursday #4
Elect a criminal, expect some criming. surfered Thursday #5
I use Signal blubunyip Thursday #6
Hoping the black swan has landed blubunyip Thursday #27
I want to know how Democrats are going to stop them from using it? gab13by13 Thursday #7
Here BumRushDaShow Thursday #17
I want to know how Democrats are going to stop them, PERIOD! calimary Thursday #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Beachnutt Thursday #8
Are the Dems saying this? 617Blue Thursday #9
Yesterday someone posted Malcolm Nance's podcast, gab13by13 Thursday #12
This is a classic example of how the big picture and the real outrage gets lost... 617Blue Thursday #16
here it is. erronis Thursday #26
Stupid is as stupid does Farmer-Rick Thursday #10
They do not give a rat's ass about security, gab13by13 Thursday #11
+1000 hamsterjill Thursday #22
Yup Farmer-Rick Thursday #32
File a FOIA request for the document Hegseth testified to. Keep digging because Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #13
FOIA for count of time principals have used their SCIF pioche4 Thursday #14
Why aren't they in jail yet? Oh, that's right they're MAGAts! 634-5789 Thursday #18
It's literally in Project 2025 to keep documented evidence from being subpoenaed ... aggiesal Thursday #19
This ... Shit us fortunately encrypted, but is it secure? JCMach1 Thursday #21
It's good policy for us privately, but not for government transparency ... aggiesal Thursday #33
It's really good, i used it with my kids, but you are correct JCMach1 Thursday #34
Yes, this is the real issue. Dyedinthewoolliberal Thursday #20
yup, you get it. gab13by13 Thursday #23
Are they blaming Hillary's server or Hunter's laptop? twodogsbarking Thursday #25
For more info join Hegseth signal group chat. Emile Thursday #28
You win post of the day gab13by13 Thursday #30
Using Signal is way to break the law LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #29
YES, calling them inept is a big mistake. gab13by13 Thursday #31
If they keep using it, that should be the biggest scandal ever Wiz Imp Thursday #35
I'm not convinced the leak was an accident. summer_in_TX Friday #37
It will be swept under the carpet. I've been saying that since day two. Nothing happens to the villains in this B movie. C Moon Friday #38

Lovie777

(17,576 posts)
2. Partying after killing approximately 53 innocent people including children................
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:27 AM
Thursday

to kill one terrorist leader, especially when he will automatically be replace asap, is sick.

shithole musk republicans can give a rat arse about innocent lives. Fuck them

stopdiggin

(13,524 posts)
24. completely missing the point, but noted ....
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:09 AM
Thursday

the 'topic' brought forth was the use of Signal - how it potentially breaks federal law - and how this aspect of the clown show should be both exposed and thoroughly investigated.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,678 posts)
15. I think there is evidence they use it routinely. And it is the game plan laid out in Project 2025. . . .nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:38 AM
Thursday

blubunyip

(53 posts)
6. I use Signal
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:49 AM
Thursday

No way is it safe enough for the purpose of such sensitive communications. You have exactly defined why.

Backups--ha ha...oh yeah "oops, something happened to them"... right, where are the backups?!

Jeffrey's Revelation = feels like leprechauns, angels, Jedi, astrologers. kami, or whatever you believe in that is Out There (and maybe cares) brought us a rare gift! Feels like deus ex machina, divine intervention...

--------------
Deus ex machina," meaning "god from a machine" in Latin.
The term originates from ancient Greek and Roman drama, where a god would be lowered onto the stage by a crane (the machine) to resolve the plot, often at the end of a play. Today, "deus ex machina" is used to describe any situation in fiction or drama where an improbable event or character suddenly appears to solve a problem that seemed impossible to resolve through the story's own logic.
Examples: A character falling off a cliff and being caught by a flying robot that appears out of nowhere. A character suddenly remembering a forgotten clue that solves the mystery. A character getting rescued by an unlikely savior at the last minute.

blubunyip

(53 posts)
27. Hoping the black swan has landed
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:19 AM
Thursday

& crapped on their heads.

The Black Swan Theory, popularized by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, describes rare, unpredictable events with a major impact that are often rationalized in hindsight, highlighting the limits of our knowledge and the power of unexpected outcomes.

gab13by13

(27,300 posts)
7. I want to know how Democrats are going to stop them from using it?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:02 AM
Thursday

Apparently they have been using it for at least a month now.

But Hillary's emails.

Make Hegseth show the conversation on a government device, because I guarantee they did not back up those conversations, that is why they were so flippant.

Democrats need to ask better questions, this is not about ineptitude, this is their thought-out plan.

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

617Blue

(1,800 posts)
9. Are the Dems saying this?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:05 AM
Thursday

Because as usual the media will miss the big picture while they focus on the "sexy" issue of whether dipshit was drunk.

gab13by13

(27,300 posts)
12. Yesterday someone posted Malcolm Nance's podcast,
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:30 AM
Thursday

you can find it here, it was about 30 minutes.

Nance said that Democrats were not asking the right questions at the hearings. He said that Democrats should have gotten advice from experts in cyber security and then ask the questions.

Hegseth said that it is legal to use Signal if the conversation in backed up on a government device. I kept waiting for Democrats to demand that Hegseth show them the Houthi raid conversations on the government device. They never asked that.

617Blue

(1,800 posts)
16. This is a classic example of how the big picture and the real outrage gets lost...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:39 AM
Thursday

It happens a lot with Trump. He'll issue some "Exec Order" that does something outrageous and stupid. The media will report that Trump has "ordered" something outrageous and stupid to happen - without pointing out that he has no legal authority to order such a thing. Exec orders are not the law of the land. Yet people then believe that he has the authority to order pretty much anything. If that were the case why didn't every president constantly make sweeping exec orders? Because they knew exec orders are rally pretty limited in scope.

Farmer-Rick

(11,707 posts)
10. Stupid is as stupid does
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:12 AM
Thursday

Not much of a plan using a well established communication system to discuss classified battle plans.

They should have just used Twitter or Facebook. No one would have seen it if they delete it after they talk. Right?.......Zuckerberg and Musk would have helped .

gab13by13

(27,300 posts)
11. They do not give a rat's ass about security,
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:26 AM
Thursday

do not give a rat's ass if our military missions become compromised and troops are killed.

They want to be able to act with impunity, want to be able to act lawlessly, and not be held accountable.

Why do you think they spoke so flippantly, using emojis for fuck's sake. They spoke this way because they believed that their conversations were going to be self-deleted, and they were.

What are Democrats going to do to stop them? They should begin by asking to see the conversations that Hegseth insinuated were backed up on a government device. I guarantee that they did not back up those Houthi raid conversations on a government device.

We would be none the wiser had they not included Jeffrey Goldberg in the conversation, and we are going to be none the wiser if they keep using Signal in the future.

This needs to be front page news until it is resolved. The whole lot of them should be removed from office and prosecuted, but we know that will never happen.

hamsterjill

(15,717 posts)
22. +1000
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:58 AM
Thursday

Democrats need to be on every media outlet that there is demanding that this be made known. They need to learn to do like the Republicans do. If they are asked a question about ANY topic, they need to immediately use the air time to switch to this topic and hammer it, hammer it, HAMMER IT!!!!

Farmer-Rick

(11,707 posts)
32. Yup
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 12:24 PM
Thursday

They are criminals, pedophiles, abusers, cons, Nazis, traitors and psychopaths. They are just doing what comes naturally. Which is f*cking as many people as possible, who don't want to be f*cked, making as many people suffer as our broken justice system will allow and laughing at all the idiots who think otherwise.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,678 posts)
13. File a FOIA request for the document Hegseth testified to. Keep digging because
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:35 AM
Thursday

1) The information is unclassified as testified by Gabbard.

2) It keeps Hogsbreath in the news.

Keep digging, suing in court on the basis that either they are complying with both acts or not. If they "comply" with the FOIA act and say there is no record, appeal because Hegseth's word is the official word of the government on the issue. Make them admit they are breaking the Records Act by conspiring to go around it.

pioche4

(156 posts)
14. FOIA for count of time principals have used their SCIF
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:37 AM
Thursday

I’ve wondered whether Congress can subpoena or request FOIA records for a count of the times their SCIFs have been utilized. If 0, we have our answer re how they are conducting all manner of business.

It was Trump who took a call of a bombing in Africa from 1st term at his table at Mar a Lago in the middle of a party.

I have read, but couldn’t find the links on Heritage site, that they actually recommend Signal for the very reason to avoid the records act.

aggiesal

(9,885 posts)
19. It's literally in Project 2025 to keep documented evidence from being subpoenaed ...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:18 AM
Thursday

(R)'s don't 🚽💩🧻 without a plan.
It's all by design.

This tells me that they know they're breaking the law to cover up breaking the law with no evidence.
I'll bet DOG-E intra-communications is over Signal.

JCMach1

(28,517 posts)
21. This ... Shit us fortunately encrypted, but is it secure?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:43 AM
Thursday

Only slightly more than WhatsApp. And Telegram.

It's a valuable lesson for activists though. Encrypt that mess, erase and delete.

Best practices for DUers should have started yesterday in this environment.

aggiesal

(9,885 posts)
33. It's good policy for us privately, but not for government transparency ...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 12:55 PM
Thursday

I've had Signal on my phone for some time now, but nobody I know used it.

JCMach1

(28,517 posts)
34. It's really good, i used it with my kids, but you are correct
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:36 PM
Thursday

Me blathering over gaming stuff with my daughter is hardly National Security material.

It is superior to RCS/SMS, doesn't capture Metadata like WhatsApp (middle finger to META). Dont even get me started on the mess people have on Apple.

But yeah, sadly we all need to take measures for secure and encrypted communications now. Signal, Telegram and Threema for messaging/calls. VPN's and Orbot/Tor Network to secure and encrypt your net fingerprint.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,029 posts)
20. Yes, this is the real issue.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:42 AM
Thursday

We can quarrel all day about classified info and war plans. Those are distractions. The use of an unsecured network and no traceability is what's concerning. Let's talk about that.

Wiz Imp

(4,488 posts)
35. If they keep using it, that should be the biggest scandal ever
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 02:14 PM
Thursday

And every single person who uses it to discuss classified information should be fired and jailed.

The whole world knows what happened here, so it should be obvious that every country in the world will now be monitoring things for the foreseeable future to see if they use it again. If they do, those countries will be in position to intercept the communications and do God knows what with it.

C Moon

(12,766 posts)
38. It will be swept under the carpet. I've been saying that since day two. Nothing happens to the villains in this B movie.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 02:13 AM
Friday
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