The border is not the state

it's a sad state of affairs

Most large cities are blue, but many of them are in red states.

because a major economic crash will result in lost jobs and his oligarch buddies with then get cheaper US labor along with lower social security, lower social support and lower medical coverage.

They want American prosperity for the oligarchs.

So do what you can now to prepare for the inevitable.

The Left Coast, Colorado, New Mexico, Illinois, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, NJ, NYS, Coneticut, All of New England,
Hawaii

I'm stuck in PA and don't want to be part of Trump's America. I'm a native of New York with a NYC birth certificate, so am I doomed?

Being a Democrat in a red State ...I've had threads telling me to move..I can't

That he's focused his ire at blue cities and state in particular. Where were those people kidnapped for harassment?

Best if they don't do us any favors of any kind now. People needs to feel the consequences before they will 'get it'.

Your invite is luring Canadians into the US to experience a potential abuse of personal freedom via government brutality.

We will all be suffering, like it or not. Anyone not already aware will be forced to become aware, like it or not, and it will be very painful as we can see. in some places, it already is.

they don't visit here then.

I'll welcome them back when this hideous nightmare is over!!!

I'm with them on this one. Until we get our house in order, we can't have any guests.

and truth be told, they are disgusted with more than just Trump and MAGAts

Canadian Snowbirds are a solid part of the economy, or at least they were.

crossing the border isn't safe anymore.

Coming to the US isn't safe for people from other countries anymore. Even to blue cities.

And it gets worse every day. Feels like drowning and it is always in progress, never done.

Etc etc.

Ty for explaining.

It feels as if you are begrudgingly making one-off exceptions for people who might have special circumstances that make entry into the US particularly risky - when, in reality, it is risky for nearly everyone.

Canadians (and others) detained at border crossings:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-detention-of-european-and-canadian-tourists-creates-fear-over-traveling-to-america
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-detention-of-european-and-canadian-tourists-creates-fear-over-traveling-to-america

Suggesting Canadians just come and visit blue states or cities to ease our (blue) pain puts them at risk, and you posts really do give the impression that you don't think it is a big deal, aside - maybe - from a few individual special circumstances.

Just letting you know that Bernardo de La Paz. is not the only one who has that impression from what you have been posting in this thread.

Didn't realize how broadly bad it has gotten for just about, or everyone!

I definitely wouldn't.

Maybe once Trump is dead and MAGA is history.

and that's where the problems are.

I'd love to be part of Canada and be able to go south to Toronto for vacation when it gets too cold in 'sota.

be afraid to cross the boarder

Thankfully .

The United States needs to feel the full impact of their ire.

while TSF is in office.

if I had the money. I can separate all The Smithsonian, and other museums, the Lincoln Mermorial, the Reflecting Pool, etc from drumphf & eloon.
Been there 10 times for fun, 9 times for protests.

However I didn't think Canadians especially visiting DC first time would want to be there while Their Awfulnesses were in office.

Can stay with a friend and eat at cheap restaurants, there are many things to do for free in DC.

But I understand all Canadians wish to stay away, much as I’d love them to visit.

(and maybe even if they ARE, if ICE realizes that they are the dreaded CANADIANS!)

ICE under Trump operates wherever they want to

point, though I hope not!!!

Assuming my wife has no problems being admitted this year, we will be back again this summer. There are always hundreds of cars with Québec and Ontario license plates. I wonder if they will be back this year?

By the way, if the American border authorities at Logan in any way harass or detain my wife without cause, we will turn right around and go back to Germany. She has done nothing to justify being treated like that, and I would never ask her to put up with it for my sake.

Once, in the Atlanta airport, the CBP officer, himself an immigrant from the Dutch Caribbean, put her file and passport in a folder and made her (I wouldn't leave her side, so "us" ) come with him to a detention area. We sat there for 45 minutes. His reason was that "her fingerprints didn't match," which was total BS because she was wearing the same fingers on her hands that she had presented the last 40 times she had entered the USA. The officer then didn't return to his post, but headed for some rest/leisure/break area. Coffee break, maybe? We were his excuse, anyway. After 45 minutes, she/we was/were called in front of a three man higher-up panel of CBP officers who asked what the problem was. We explained that their officer had claimed that her fingerprints were different from the last 40 times she had entered the USA. The three hgher-ups look at the folder, handed her back her passport, rolled their eyes, apologized, and said sorry, you are, of course free to go.

Another time, she was with a good friend of her who lives in Montgomery Center, Vermont on the Canadian border. They went over to Canada for lunch, and on the way back, the stupid CBP officer asked when she was leaving back for Germany. She named the date, and he started getting huffy, stating that she was staying one day longer then the 90 limit. She had entered the USA about 5 weeks before, but the stupid CBP guy couldn't find her entry stamp, and could only find the one from a couple of months before, when we were in DC for our nephew's college graduation. Thinking quickly, my wife told the border cop, "oh, you are quite right, sir. I was thinking of the day I arrive back in Germany, but the planes from Boston always leave the night before, so I actually will be departing the day before." Having been given the chance to show his superior authority, the guy was happy to have the chance to order someone around, and let her back in without any further harassment. If he had looked closer at her passport, he would have seen that she had only been in the USA for about 40 days, but he was too lazy to look more closely. I don't think he would have reacted favorably to being shown that she could read the stamps in her passport better than he could, but that was indeed the reason for her being stopped in the first place.

American border cops don't have a monopoly on stupid behavior, of course. Once I was returning to Düsseldorf from Atlanta. A customs officer at the Düsseldorf airport stopped me, and asked in English, "what is the purpose of your visit to Germany?" I said, also in English, "I have a very good purpose. I live here," and pulled out my permanent residence card. The guy haughtily said, "if you live here, you must speak German." I replied, "I do speak German." He switched to German, asking again if I spoke German. Also in German, I replied that of course I spoke German." He then demanded to know why I hadn't spoken German from the beginning. I told him, "YOU were the one who started out speaking English. I don't give German customs officers orders on what language they should be speaking. You started in English, so I answered in English." Not content with looking foolish once, he asked if I was carrying any cash with me. I said, "of course I'm carrying cash with me." I reached into my pocket and pulled out maybe €150, and said, "I don't have my car at the airport, and your taxi drivers don't work for free." He finally realized he was not going to get anywhere asking me stupid harassment questions and so told me to get lost.

By the time the harassment or detention begins, it is too late to turn around and fly back to Germany. There are numerous stories of individuals who tried to do just that. Their attempt to voluntarily self-deport/pay for their own trips home were ignored, they were put in detention for days/weeks before ultimately being deported.

Just a couple of examples of the insanity:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice-intl-latam/index.html

But on the other hand, we will be traveling together, and we always have a copy of our marriage certificate with us. Since it was issued by the Commonwealth of Virginia, they won't be able to say they can't read it. She really doesn't have any reason that could be construed as a legitimate cause for detention, and I have a couple of US Senators on speed dial. I would never use that as a threat, obviously, but I would make the calls without hesitation if it looked like there was no other way out. Let them argue with Rubén Gallego or Mark Kelly if they want to make tomorrow morning's Washington Post. Otherwise just let us through like everyone else. They usually do.

(including anything more sophisticated than a tourist camera - I'd even be leary of a laptop at this point.), and make sure there aren't any easily accessible social media posts that can be tied (in real life) to your wife.

There have been couples traveling together, with the US spouse unable to do anything about - including being at least briefly detained.

And I don't think brief clips of our grandchildren skiing in Austria will be able to be construed as subversive. Her passport is full of US stamps as it is. They would either have to admit that they missed her subversive missions that last 25 times she entered the country, or else acknowledge that she never had one. There will always be a few psychos who are working the immigration kiosks at any airport, but most of the CBP officers, whether Boston, Washington, NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, SFO or Chicago, have seemed to have their heads on straight.

Still, it only takes one bad apple, we know, we know! We're ready.

So if they "missed them," they will just blame it on Biden and Obama. I haven't traveled since January 20, but my impression from the reports of non-US citizens who have been through immigration since then (and also had been through lots of times before) is that it is a different world now for people who aren't US citizens - that they are deliberately targeting anyone they can claim they deported solely for the purpose of meeting the impossible quotas Trump set for deportations. Hence - the snagging people at immigration and rather than letting them turn around and go home on their own steam, they are detaining and deporting them.

If they get their jollies doing that to one German citizen in her seventies, well we’ll react accordingly.

In a plane coming from (most likely) Paris or Amsterdam into Boston at the height of the summer tourist season, anywhere from one third to two thirds of the passengers will not be US citizens.

Even if their unwritten quota is to harass five or ten of these people on every flight, we figure the likelihood of choosing a 73 year old German citizen, married to a US citizen, stating an intent to return to Germany after a vacation (and a 40 year track record in their computer to back that up) is low. If they go through photos in her phone and find one with her standing next to Bill Clinton at a formal event while in office, even a Republican might get the idea that choosing another victim might be a better use of their time.

in the U.S. that will lose Canadian visitors to use for planning our vacation this summer. Not sure how to find such a statistic. We are in New England so it shouldn't be hard, but we vacation New England a lot.

We will now not be flying, nor visiting the Northern Cascades on Amtrak, which was going to be our 'once in a lifetime' big-money vacation.

This is in no way to say Blue cities (and states) would not be hospitable and welcoming to Canadian tourism. Its our run-amok ICE and CBP that Canadians need to be extremely wary of going through. How many examples have we seen of tourists getting picked up and "disappeared" because their passport or their visa is "out of order?"

Canadians need to avoid the US for at least the next 2 years, possibly 4 years.

He recently messaged me and has plans to visit Detroit in May, he asked if he should be worried. I had to be honest, I said, "make sure your social media and phone don't have anything political or Anti Trump on it."

That's where we really are as a country.

You forgot San Francisco! 🤣 But seriously, I just found out that a tourist was shot by accident by exiting a movie theater with her CHILD in a tony part of Chicago weeks ago. There was a street fight over the weekend in front of a gay bar called Roscoe's on the North Side in an area called Boystown (gay-friendly). I will defend Chicago because I was born there but blue areas are some of the most problematic. Seattle and Portland, for example. They USED to be lovely.

It was wonderful to visit!

than you're doing. Also, if you are having a problem with a woman being shot, you should probably support gun control which, just a guess, you probably don't.

Lastly, about the "street fight," are you saying no one ever fights at a bar where you live? Or is it that you are offended that fights might happen in the vicinity of a gay bar?

Go away.

ETA: Hahaha! I see you have already been made to go away. Well done, MIRT!

We’re tough too, we will be ok… the administration is weak…keep attacking.

I know we have Blue Democrats in those states as well, BUT THIS will be a start to go against TSF!!

love Vancouver and went there often. People shift between NW Washington State and Canada all the time, but I don't blame Canadians at all for not wanting to cross the border at this time. In the past sometimes I've been barely admitted to the US when I've come back from abroad - somehow I look "suspicious" - I can't wait to see what happens when I try to come back from England this time. I've already been detained once by the Brits because of my US origins (taken "downstairs" at Heathrow) and customs has been a hassle before. Trumpistan? I don't think so.

But these little carve-outs for this and for that - oh please, that's not going to do anything. One reason the goppers are so successful is their 'take no prisoners' attitude - we need that attitude, but in the drive for Democracy instead of fascism. .

from anywhere

The smart ones are staying away.

Given that our (ostensibly) Democratic mayor has kissed up to Trump, I wouldn't recommend that ANY foreigner visit New York at the moment!

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Have to study the others.

Canadians do not owe blue states anything right now. We are too fucking busy worrying about your imperialist leader eyeing us like it’s happy hour at the bar on spring break.

So no. We don’t want to visit. We don’t want to pat your heads and reassure you that you are good people.

We have our own shit to do.

As for "us". I know there are many good people here, despite your snippy answer. We/I also know we can do better.

I'll welcome Canadians back if they'll return when this hideous nightmare over.

They should just stay home and not give their money to an Oligarchy State.

At the board or terminal.

I've got friends here in Australia who have crossed the US off their travel destinations, partly coz the rule of law doesn't seem to apply to foreigners who are in the US, and also why visit a country that's damaging our economy with weird tariffs?

One day I'd love to visit the West coast of the US, but not till things settle down there.

Seriously though, I'm sure many Canadians would love to support anti-Trump American businesses. Their only problem is that they risk being detained and sent to God knows where if they cross the border.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-detention-of-european-and-canadian-tourists-creates-fear-over-traveling-to-america

Both cities are Dem strong. I live in New Haven and love it.

My kids live in: NYC, Boston, and N. Hollywood. All Dems and they all love where they live.