this didn't hit their prices hard too.

For many years US and Canadian content is combined under one number.

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I don't believe any car is 100% U S made. On edit it will add an additional $175.00. Mea culpa.

Most of the folks I know who work at dealerships say you can't find anything for less than 5-7 hundred per month.

That's when you can pay $150 a month or so for 5 years.
5 years ago, with average/good credit, my $18k then-new Honda Fit cost me $280 a month for a 5 year term, with military discount, and $4k (from a salvage payment) down.
I don't think there's any new car out there under $20k.
Perhaps the rep was talking about a Lease for, say, a "Smart Car"...

$1,175....at least for those big trucks.

But mine works as well. It was a joke.

Per automobile trade publications, there are no cars 100% made in the US.
It's disingenuous to say that they can't tell. Accounting in big companies doesn't work that way.

The closest to 100% American is Tesla.

Tesla EVs are the most made-in-America vehicles, Cars.com reports

Most American-Made Vehicle? The Tesla Model Y

The CT5.

It has a starting price of $49,900.00

That's nearly eighty percent more than the starting price of an Accord or Camry which is $28,000 00. On a five year loan at 7% that's around an additional $450.00 a month.

And it's starting price, as MichMan pointed out, is basically the avg new car price these days.

A base Camry or Accord will set you back $28,000. On a five year loan that's around $450.00 a month. That's not chump change.

For a mid-size that's a steep price and if it's like other cars, finding the base model is probably hard. But sadly so many Americans want a giant SUV which is a large part of why the US manufacturers don't make many sedans.

It's like saying a Lexus ES 350 or a Mercedes E Class is a midsize car.

Otherwise it would be referred to as a mid priced car instead

Luxury Mid Size Car =/= Mid Size Car.The base CT5 cost at least $20,000.00 more than a base K 5, Camry, Accord, Altima, MX-5, et cetera. Hell, it cost more than twice as much as the midsized Subaru Legacy.

The Miata? Really?

BTW, for the sake of the original conversation, you can still get a 2025 Chevy Malibu for around $26-27k. Not for long though, as this is the last year I believe.

The Malibu was discontinued. Was 24 or 25 the last year? Yes, the CT5 is a mid sized car that is made in America, but it is a mid sized luxury car with an attendant price. I should have started my thread by saying there are no mid sized cars built in the United States but the luxury mid sized luxury Cadillac CT5 with a starting price of $49,900.00.

The CT5 wouldn't be the best Cadillac example here anyway. The CT4 would be. Still not cheap, but cheaper than the CT5.

They are pretty small on the inside. Got stuck in one as a loaner when I had to take our Escalade in for a recall. They ran out of loaner Escalades and XT6's(my Cadillac dealer tries to match you with equivalent loaner vehicles.)

Luxury Mid Sized car by definition is still midsized.

Would it have been better if I started my thread with this lede- "There are no mid-sized cars made in America except the luxury brand Cadillac CT 5 with a base price of $49,900.00"?

You'll have to start pushing 60k to get the better packages

Currently utilizing FCP Euro for parts, including periodic replacement lubricants and parts to minimize cost. They have a lifetime replacement policy on everything including lubricants, pads, etc.

See how that holds out...

Damned if I know!

Once they've received the shipment they check against prior purchases and ship it out ASAP.

Time will tell though... I mean shit, I dont' want 'em to go bankrupt!

They've been my favorite supplier!

I bought 4 coils for my VW in 2019. At the time they were $27 each. They are now $82 each.

If I decide to replace them and buy all four for $328, they will only refund $110. Not really a lifetime replacement anymore. It would be cheaper for me to just go out and buy another brand from Rock Auto.

I use them when I can, but the LRG policy isn't what it used to be.

Great to know ahead!

Oh well, better than full price!

You're on point, and I really am grateful to at least know ahead!

Except for the Cadillac model that a DUer mentioned in this thread: the CTS, a midsize luxury sedan, discontinued in 2019. (It was replaced by the CT5).

Most of the auto industry has abandoned the sedan market, as the crossover SUVs are a lot more popular with customers. There are still a few sedans being made, mostly by the Japanese (Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, etc.), but even those don't sell as well as their crossover vehicles. (The cynic in me says that the profit margin on the crossovers is also higher).

I'd always read that the Toyota Tundra was the most "made in the usa" vehicle. Does a have any info on which cars if any are 100% made in the us?

I found 8 sites, none AI, that said no cars sold in the US are 100% made here.

I saw numbers as high as 80% and as low as 55%.
Of course, neither is anything close to 100%
So, we're safe in saying "none".
BTW: those values were talking about mass produced cars. Maybe there are some custom shop stuff that's 100% US made.

I'm slow to put my faith in anything AI tells me.....yet. Maybe someday.

I know for a fact that there are zero 100% cars made here with parts from here.

and at that point the only choices were the Malibu and the 300. Both were considerably more expensive than what I wound up getting (a Kia K5). This Kia is the first foreign car I ever bought but I had very little choice then and will have no choice in the future. It stinks but it is what it is. I will buy a Kia next time, it has been a great car.

I'm surprised the Malibu was appreciably more.

I guess I am the odd man out but I really do prefer a sedan.

I wanted to buy an American smart TV. The only TVs made in America are projection TVs.

The focus was a massively selling car as was the taurus but both got discontinued. I couldn't afford the 300. I did consider the Malibu but it was a bit more pricey and a lesser car with a less good warranty. At least the Kia is assembled here.

I would have replaced my focus with another one had that car still been for sale at a cost lower than my Kia. I admittedly went a bit bigger this time, decided I deserved a nice car. The focus had been discontinued when I came looking for a new car. I do wonder what US companies are thinking by ceding the automobile market.

by far the best new car I ever got. I had thought I would get a high end used car (say a caddy or a mercedes or a lincoln) but I got this car when Covid caused the used market to go haywire and that wasn't viable. Turned out I made a good decision.

it was the thing that fully swung me to the Kia over all of the other options.

Practically bulletproof. Even put run flats on it. Unfortunately it is over 130k miles so time is limited.

Awd too

Other than people running into it and breaking out a window on April 1st I've had no problems at all.

I want to go electric or plug in electric soon.

I responded to a question which asserted "Midsized cars don't get that great fuel economy." There were no restrictions on country of origin in the post I responded to. The Prius is a midsized car, according to the EPA, regardless of where it was made. Not only that, but Toyota has to meet corporate CAFE standards.

If US manufacturers made more cars (midsized or otherwise) which were designed to get high mileage, meeting the standards would not be so challenging.

Of the big truck epidemic. And the car industry.

Under 50k miles, because I don't drive that much. But at least it's a stick, which is all I will drive.

You don't have to worry so much about someone stealing your car.

I will say that some years ago I was driving my son and couple of his high school friends somewhere, and they were very impressed I was driving a stick.

Decades ago I decided that when I can no longer drive a stick, it will be time to give up driving.

Rated #1 with more than 75% domestic US content.

Impossible to break it down into US content only. Every single window sticker on every new car or truck has them combined together.

state of the art EV's for $20k - that would be great for American consumers and the environment.

Consumers always win and prices always go down as a result of trade.

That would be an average of $6.33 per hour. Consumers just want cheap prices

https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/automotive-worker/china

If we can't make autos for an affordable price then we can do other things. Eventually I think AI/Robots will build all cars anyway. I believe Bill Clinton and Obama were correct to want 'hemispheric' trade especially, which NAFTA was about. The Chinese BYD's are being built in Mexico.

As long as it is someone else's problem, people are pretty cavalier about it.

Living in Michigan for 60 plus years, and working in the auto industry, I have seen dozens and dozens of manufacturing plants shuttered and abandoned after production was moved to Mexico because wages were cheaper and environmental rules were lax. Decimated smaller towns all over the Midwest that never really recovered. Those factory jobs paid decent wages, and generation after generation worked at them and paid taxes that supported their local communities.

On one hand, we advocate for workers getting higher wages and support those who are striking for them, yet are OK when jobs are moved to low wage countries as long as it makes products cheaper. I just don't get it.

Fifteen years ago............

There will not be sufficient workforce applicants to fill their positions once they'll retire.

Globally, we're almost already there, and the actual clamp down on immigration will not help (the opposite):

https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/understanding-americas-labor-shortage

Owned by Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen with HQ in the Netherlands

Stellantis is it’s own entity, not “owned” by anybody. We are a global company…and The Dodge Charger is coming back! (Maybe the Chrysler 300 later as well…same platform)

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It isn't sold in North America

I used to know car models like the people on this thread.

I lost interest, however. Now, I just drive whatever somebody gives me. I never pay for anything.

Have a great car though, perfect for my needs.