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Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:38 PM Apr 2

The Senate Resolution on the Canadian Tariffs just passed!

A big win for Democrats!

Trump tried to bully the Republicans into voting NO but it didn't work. They stood firm and voted with the Democrats.

On this one issue - good job by Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, Susan Collins & Lisa Murkowski.
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/senate-vote-tariffs-republicans-trump/index.html

Four Senate Republicans join with Democrats to rebuke Trump tariff policy in key vote

Four Senate Republicans joined with Democrats on Wednesday to deliver a rare bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump over trade policy.

The Senate adopted a resolution by a vote of 51 to 48 aimed at blocking the Trump administration’s proposed tariffs on Canadian imports. The four Republicans who voted with Democrats were: Sens. Rand Paul, who cosponsored the resolution, Susan Collins, Mitch McConnell and Lisa Murkowski.

The move amounts to rare bipartisan pushback against Trump in the GOP-led Senate and comes after Trump criticized the measure and urged Republicans to vote against it.
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The Senate Resolution on the Canadian Tariffs just passed! (Original Post) Wiz Imp Apr 2 OP
Now it needs to pass the House Nictuku Apr 2 #1
Pass it in the House and PO'd Moses Mike will send them home for another vacation Bengus81 Apr 2 #10
He'll never allow to get a vote Diraven Apr 2 #14
He's broke the rule a couple of times so I guess it will be must see TV. Bengus81 Apr 2 #18
There is a path. There is a need for Republicans who want their legislative power back to be involved, however. Gore1FL Apr 2 #19
House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy. Wiz Imp Apr 2 #33
Not a fan of this - let the GOP own the tariff fiasco alone. radius777 Apr 2 #48
Yeah but Dems have to try to stop him or MadameButterfly Apr 3 #50
I agree Madame. Sometimes you just have to stand shoulder to shoulder for what's right. patphil Apr 3 #52
Yes, if we can't get the party of money to oppose destroying businesses MadameButterfly Apr 3 #57
I thought he was grinder mike?! Bluethroughu Apr 3 #56
Senate resolutions do not go to the House. Sneederbunk Apr 2 #23
Really? NewDayOranges Apr 2 #35
Given where we are now I'd say that the average sdfernando Apr 3 #55
The networks need to broadcast Schoolhouse Rock for the masses MadameButterfly Apr 3 #58
See Post #33 Wiz Imp Apr 2 #36
Trump will NEVER sign anything Putin prohibits NotHardly Apr 3 #53
Still had to pass the house. let us pray. rich7862 Apr 2 #2
Links and details, please . lindysalsagal Apr 2 #3
Just saw it on a YouTube PBS feed Raven123 Apr 2 #4
Just watched the actual Roll call vote Wiz Imp Apr 2 #6
I just edited the original post to link to a CNN article. Wiz Imp Apr 2 #7
Some of those R Senators who voted for it NEED to twist some arms in the House among the R's... hlthe2b Apr 2 #5
Excellent! Now, go FURTHER. calimary Apr 2 #8
Senator Kaine implied they would push for a similar resolution for Mexico tariffs if this one passed Wiz Imp Apr 2 #11
A rebuke? Prairie Gates Apr 2 #9
It actually ends the state of emergency declaration against Canada Wiz Imp Apr 2 #13
Thanks! That does makes a difference even if he vetoes it Prairie Gates Apr 2 #15
It will help when/if Canada takes it to the US courts. Bev54 Apr 2 #26
Yes, but these were votes on issues not the issue bucolic_frolic Apr 2 #12
Excellent news. Even if nothing comes of this, it's crucially important Mike 03 Apr 2 #16
Interesting both Kentucky Senators were on board SSJVegeta Apr 2 #17
Libertarians tend to be anti-tariff Tommy Carcetti Apr 2 #20
Well its nice to see he still has hobbies standing in for his principles. SSJVegeta Apr 2 #21
Kentucky Bourbon sales fall off is killing Kentucky. bronxiteforever Apr 2 #25
Color me surprised! calimary Apr 2 #28
Kentucky bourbon trade. AllyCat Apr 2 #31
Libertarianism is a childish ideology. biocube Apr 2 #43
Bourbon. Canadians drink it. marybourg Apr 2 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Sneederbunk Apr 2 #22
I am still amazed RJ-MacReady Apr 2 #24
Why was Paul for it? Renew Deal Apr 2 #27
Kentucky bourbon. LisaM Apr 2 #29
Makes sense Renew Deal Apr 2 #37
No more sales of US booze in Canada for the foreseeable future RazorbackExpat Apr 2 #38
Paul is strongly anti-tariff in general Wiz Imp Apr 2 #39
Wow. But only a resolution? AllyCat Apr 2 #30
It does have teeth Wiz Imp Apr 2 #32
Okay, thank you. I missed that. AllyCat Apr 2 #34
do they have a veto proof majority? AlexSFCA Apr 2 #40
Unfortunately No Wiz Imp Apr 2 #41
not really, effectively dems are helping those repubs keep their senate seats AlexSFCA Apr 2 #45
Sheeesh. People complain and complain that Democrats aren't doing enough Wiz Imp Apr 2 #46
Agree, Dems should have no part of this. radius777 Apr 2 #49
Rand Paul and Mitch had to vote that way Green Line Apr 2 #44
Rand Paul has a consistent history of strongly opposing tariffs Wiz Imp Apr 2 #47
Fuck those Republicans AKwannabe Apr 3 #51
Screw all four of them. They brought Mango Jebus to the ball and are now just sitting out a dance. marble falls Apr 3 #54

Gore1FL

(22,379 posts)
19. There is a path. There is a need for Republicans who want their legislative power back to be involved, however.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:21 PM
Apr 2

I don't know if there are enough.

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
33. House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:08 PM
Apr 2
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/senate-vote-tariffs-republicans-trump/index.html

House GOP leaders are not expected to take up any efforts to rebuke Trump over tariff policy – and even moved earlier this year to prohibit such a move. But House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy.

Rep. Greg Meeks of New York, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said on Wednesday that he plans to introduce a privileged resolution to force a vote over tariffs, a procedural move that can be used to bypass leadership and force floor votes.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
48. Not a fan of this - let the GOP own the tariff fiasco alone.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:05 PM
Apr 2

Dems should just step aside and let Trump/GOP destroy themselves. When the economy tanks as a result of his tariffs - only then will voters have clarity on how terrible Trump is. Polls showed that voters believed the economy was Trump's strong point. Should that advantage erode, it's curtains for Orange Man.

MadameButterfly

(2,754 posts)
50. Yeah but Dems have to try to stop him or
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:50 AM
Apr 3

they show themselves helpless against his assault on democracy and everything else.

Not everyone will survive these tarriffs and to ask them to sacrifice their livelihoods to make a point isn't fair.
We shouldn't fear that it won't be bad enough under Trump. It will be. We have to mitigate the damage where we can.

patphil

(7,650 posts)
52. I agree Madame. Sometimes you just have to stand shoulder to shoulder for what's right.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:31 AM
Apr 3

This is how you rally the electorate. Challenge Republicans in the House to stand up like the 4 did in the Senate. There isn't a down side to this, even if we lose, we win. Besides, we're going to need Republicans to stand up to Trump at some point.
Blocking tariffs is a very popular rallying point with citizens of all parties, and is a good starting point in generating majorities to reign in Trump's imperial presidency.

MadameButterfly

(2,754 posts)
57. Yes, if we can't get the party of money to oppose destroying businesses
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:37 PM
Apr 3

how to we get them to vote against Trump on anything?

NewDayOranges

(737 posts)
35. Really?
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:09 PM
Apr 2

I would not be surprised that a Canadian knows how US government works better than the average US citizen...

sdfernando

(5,653 posts)
55. Given where we are now I'd say that the average
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:05 PM
Apr 3

US citizen doesn't understand how our government works. We are in some real deep shit!

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
6. Just watched the actual Roll call vote
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:46 PM
Apr 2

Will post a link to a news story as soon as I find one from mainstream outlet.

hlthe2b

(109,069 posts)
5. Some of those R Senators who voted for it NEED to twist some arms in the House among the R's...
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:41 PM
Apr 2

I'd hate to see it die there, but without a lot of push...

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
11. Senator Kaine implied they would push for a similar resolution for Mexico tariffs if this one passed
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:56 PM
Apr 2

So I think we will see that next.

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
13. It actually ends the state of emergency declaration against Canada
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:00 PM
Apr 2

which Trump used as pretense for invoking the tariffs. It has teeth. Unfortunately, Trump will veto if the House passes, but it still is a huge victory and sends a strong message that multiple Republicans are not going to be rubber stamps for Trump on tariffs.

Prairie Gates

(4,781 posts)
15. Thanks! That does makes a difference even if he vetoes it
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:11 PM
Apr 2

They are normalizing functional opposition to his weirder claims.

bucolic_frolic

(49,707 posts)
12. Yes, but these were votes on issues not the issue
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:59 PM
Apr 2

Whiskey and Bourbon, proximity to Canada. And ME AK have a lot of Canadians and probably family ties, more so than any other states.

So it's a good vote, but not a breakdown along ideological lines.

Mike 03

(18,329 posts)
16. Excellent news. Even if nothing comes of this, it's crucially important
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:15 PM
Apr 2

that Canada understand that the vast majority of Americans want nothing to do with Trump's abuse of their country, and that we have enormous affection for Canada and its citizens and are aware that our president is an out-of-control, demented lunatic.

SSJVegeta

(277 posts)
17. Interesting both Kentucky Senators were on board
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:17 PM
Apr 2

Rand Paul was definitely not on my bingo card of defectors.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,845 posts)
20. Libertarians tend to be anti-tariff
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:25 PM
Apr 2

As a tariff is a tax and any type of tax (whether good or bad) is anathema to libertarians.

Paul fashions himself a libertarian of sorts.

It's a broken clock moment.

calimary

(85,815 posts)
28. Color me surprised!
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:50 PM
Apr 2

I didn't expect to see ANYTHING good from Rand Paul.

What got into him?

biocube

(46 posts)
43. Libertarianism is a childish ideology.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:11 PM
Apr 2

But he and Ron have always been consistent on their principles.

Response to Wiz Imp (Original post)

RJ-MacReady

(333 posts)
24. I am still amazed
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:31 PM
Apr 2

At Mitch McConnell he bears the lions share of the blame for trump not going away and now he thinks he can make it right? I mean by all means speak out but where was this in 2021? Its because he is retiring and no longer cares. Which means all this time he hated trump and what he was doing but stood by for his own power. The redemption arc is a tough sell for me.

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
39. Paul is strongly anti-tariff in general
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:24 PM
Apr 2

It's one of the few issues where he has reasonable thoughts...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-braces-potential-defeat-trump-181932167.html

“Trade is a good thing. Trade is proportional to prosperity, and so tariffs are bad economically,” he said. “It’s a terrible idea to run a country by emergency where representatives to vote on raising or lowering taxes.”

Paul said tariffs “are bad for the country, bad for prosperity, bad for the economy.”

“Our Constitution was very specific that taxes — tariffs are a tax — taxes originate in the House, come to the Senate and then go the president,” he said. “They don’t just go to the president and no one else. What kind of system would it be if all of our taxes and laws were passed by one person?”

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
32. It does have teeth
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:05 PM
Apr 2
S.J. Res. 37; A joint resolution terminating the national emergency declared to impose duties on articles imported from Canada.


Trump can only legally impose tariffs on Canada due to the emergency declaration so this resolution would end Trump's ability to to unilaterally impose the tariffs. That's a big deal.

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
41. Unfortunately No
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:55 PM
Apr 2

SO if this does pass the House, Trump will surely veto it. Regardless, it's still significant to show that there a multiple Republicans who do not support Trump's unilateral tariff policies.

AlexSFCA

(6,298 posts)
45. not really, effectively dems are helping those repubs keep their senate seats
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:15 PM
Apr 2

as they can claim during reelection that they voted against tariffs.

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
46. Sheeesh. People complain and complain that Democrats aren't doing enough
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:55 PM
Apr 2

So Now they pass bipartisan legislation which directly repudiates a Trump policy priority -it's an action of significant substance - pretty much as strong and meaningful of an action as it is possible for them to take at this point given their minority status across the board, and you still complain.

And this will have no impact on any Republican's election chances. McConnell is retiring, Rand Paul voters aren't going to be pleased he voted with Democrats and Collins & Murkowski are known quantities at this point. This vote will be meaningless to their voters.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
49. Agree, Dems should have no part of this.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:06 PM
Apr 2

Just step aside and let the GOP own this mess - and when the economy tanks the voters can find out.

Green Line

(1,130 posts)
44. Rand Paul and Mitch had to vote that way
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:12 PM
Apr 2

Because of Kentucky bourbon and Canadian thoroughbred brood mares shipping to Kentucky every year to be bred to the big time Kentucky stallions.

Wiz Imp

(4,662 posts)
47. Rand Paul has a consistent history of strongly opposing tariffs
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:58 PM
Apr 2

(It burnishes his credentials as a "libertarian&quot . McConnell is retiring and not going through another election so he can do whatever the hell he wants to do.

marble falls

(64,704 posts)
54. Screw all four of them. They brought Mango Jebus to the ball and are now just sitting out a dance.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:47 PM
Apr 3
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