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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJD Vance just told Fox & Friends that 40% of people calling Social Security "are actually committing fraud"
Aaron Rupar post with video on Bluesky:
JD Vance straight up lies on Fox & Friends, claims 40 percent of people calling the Social Security hotline are "actually committing fraud."
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-04-03T13:16:05.146Z
SheltieLover
(79,014 posts)NotHardly
(2,705 posts)SheltieLover
(79,014 posts)Send fleaon to mars with mtg.
Lovie777
(22,452 posts)BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)You know, factual evidence.
GOP just spouts its crap all over the place,
and media leaves the faucet open wide
Mr. Evil
(3,454 posts)The M$M (and always Focksnooze) never ask the most painfully obvious follow-up question.
Scrivener7
(59,073 posts)RazorbackExpat
(921 posts)and his father smelt of elderberries
liberalgunwilltravel
(1,152 posts)English Knights (pronounced Ka-nig-gets).
ButchMcMuffin
(81 posts)Dulcinea
(9,926 posts)Johonny
(25,846 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,692 posts)2026 and 28 will be blue waves the likes we've never seen before. There's no larger voting bloc than voters who are 65 or older.
a kennedy
(35,679 posts)to even vote. I am just so pissed at this whole gawd damn administration and all Repubs, and all the damn MAGAs that voted this piece of shit in. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬
CrispyQ
(40,859 posts)I'm probably more angry with them than anyone.
Moostache
(11,130 posts)I consider those to be mortal sins in the Catholic vernacular... not merely venial.
Ritabert
(2,219 posts)I think Elmo had something to do with it. Trump himself said he helped him win Pennsylvania.
rubbersole
(11,135 posts)dalton99a
(93,202 posts)Swede
(38,979 posts)They baldface lie and their followers scoop that shit up and ask for seconds.
Norrrm
(4,583 posts)
ImNotGod
(1,194 posts)her questions defended tRump when she bought him up, the SSA person got upset with her so maybe some tRumpster workers are helping with the fraud reporting.
hlthe2b
(113,433 posts)I know, I know, but once in a blue moon one will have a neurosynapse causing them to make a rational comment...
Hope springs eternal...
Efilroft Sul
(4,386 posts)Blue Owl
(58,753 posts)Pizza slice
(35 posts)Out of the total amount of fraud committed, 40% of that amount took place over the phone. Thats different, Shady.
sinkingfeeling
(57,602 posts)Claims of widespread fraud in Social Security were misleading, with fraud representing just 0.00625% of the annual budget, far less than what private companies like Mastercard or Visa would accept.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/doge-is-disrupting-social-security/#:~:text=Claims%20of%20widespread%20fraud%20in,Mastercard%20or%20Visa%20would%20accept.
CrispyQ
(40,859 posts)Answer: It's coming from inside the house...the White House.
Holy fuck, when will this shit show end?
TBA
(893 posts)2 legitimately and 2 lied to get disability.
I believe there is fraud among those who claim disability. I've seen the qualifying forms (I helped one that was a legitimate claim).
For example, one illegitimate claim was based on depression. According to the form, you have to be unable to care for yourself and pretty much non functioning. She participates in local theater.
No fan of this administration, and I wish they would fund SS so fraudulent disability claims could be discovered.
sinkingfeeling
(57,602 posts)1-800-269-0271
Do you suspect someone of committing fraud, waste, or abuse against Social Security? You can submit a report online at oig.ssa.gov or contact SSA's OIG fraud hotline at 1-800-269-0271.
mountain grammy
(28,881 posts)in society and in their community. Unless you are very close to someone collecting disability you can't possibly know their exact situation. I know people who look great on the outside but it's complete chaos on the inside while access to services they need are scarce.
Hope22
(4,604 posts)A family member on disability for depression was judged by people for improving or seeming to be fine. Participating in life does not mean the medical problem does not exist anymore. All of the judgement from others delayed his finding a life balance in handling his condition.
W_HAMILTON
(10,268 posts)And -- as someone who had to jump through all the hoops when helping my elderly mom apply for Medicaid, it took almost a year to get approved when she needed the care IMMEDIATELY -- I know that getting approved for disability is just as difficult, if not more so.
Rest assured that how many people are gaming the system through fraudulent means, there are probably 4x as many people that deserve the benefits and yet can't get them because of all roadblocks they put in their way to getting approved.
Mysterian
(6,278 posts)Really unusual!
pretty high ratio that doesn't bear any relationship to the statistics
allegorical oracle
(6,373 posts)the women of the house work fulltime jobs while the men are on disability. Most have grown chlldren who no longer live at home. Some used attorneys to get their disabled status.
But I see them putting roofing on their mobile homes, carrying deer carcasses or 80-pound bags of deer corn around. Several have unreported side hustles doing well pump, air-conditioning or electrical repair work. One man said his monthly disability check is only $1,800/mo. and his wife's salary is $50,000/yr. plus bonuses. (I hadn't asked, he volunteered that info.)
Given the corruption in DC, I don't begrudge these people doing as well as they can, but do believe most fraud that is found in the system is likely related to disability. BTW, every one of these men voted for djt.
Ms. Toad
(38,445 posts)The ability to do some physical things, at a pace under their own control, does not mean they are not disabled. If, for example, their disability is PTSD it would not impair their ability to put roofing on their own home, carry deer carcasses, or 80 pound bags of deer corn around. But it might impair their ability to work around with others, or show up to a job regularly enough to maintain employment.
I have a disability - a back injury. I've had it since the 1980s. I'm not on disability, but I did receive a partial permanent disability payment for it under worker's compensation. My back injury is an atypical one - it bothers me when I a sitting - not when I'm active. I can lift 50 lbs without a problem - as long as I don't have to hang it off my right arm. But put me in the wrong chair for 15 minutes and I'm in agony for a month. Of course the worker's comp doctors tested for the more common manifestations of back injury.
Unless you were their attorney, or otherwise know them well enough to have seen their applications - and specific instances of lying - you don't know they are committing fraud. Life is hard enough for people with disabilities, without all of the spurious allegations that they are committing fraud in order to get the meager living allowance SSI offers.
Celerity
(54,015 posts)intrepidity
(8,575 posts)Your situation and experience is exactly like my own. It's exhausting explaining it, though. Well done.
(My back issues are also the same--the sitting/the chair, yikes!)
dpibel
(3,844 posts)You know, not just one, but several people on disability, all men, all with working wives.
And you watch them closely enough to see them working on roofs, hauling deer carcasses, hauling deer corn, and even working on the side.
I'd wager that the vast majority of people know one, at most, people who are on SSI disability. More likely, zero.
But it's good you're out there keeping an eye on a whole crowd of grifters!
niyad
(131,089 posts)documentation and doctor visits, and attended their hearings as a witness. The third was getting disability for a physical condition that, to my observation, was not that severe. However, as I pointed out to several people, her mental condition certainly warranted it, so I really didn't care, so long as she was covered somehow.
*This only refers to SSI. My history and acquintance with the VA system is far more extensive, and unpleasant.
Ms. Toad
(38,445 posts)to be a valid recipient of SSI?
Do you have a medical degree? Did you sit in on the evaluation process for this person? Are you their lawyer?
Invisible disabilities can be every bit as disabling as visible ones. And participating in social activities may mean the difference between life and death for someone with disabling depression, even if the depression is so severe that employment is not possible. You are not required to lock yourself away simply because you are receiving SSI. The test is the ability to participate in substantial gainful activity (not "unable to care for yourself and pretty much non functioning"
. Substantial gainful activity, generally, is the ability to earn $1550 or more per month. My own participation in local theater on average, would not come close to that - even if I were paid, to address the specific allegation you made as to why this person is faking it.
(I am an attorney, I have a daughter with an invisible physical disability. She doesn't yet need SSI, but many of her peers with the same disease do. She also struggles with depression, which is notoriously hard to treat. From those perspectives, I know how hard it is to obtain SSI. I doubt either of the "illegitimate" claims are actually illegitimate.)
misanthrope
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from the ground only by his pubic hair and then left for public display.
Ms. Toad
(38,445 posts)It's the only way we'll be free of these ##!? freeloaders.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,912 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,537 posts)It is overseen by the SSA, but is a completely separate program.
https://www.ssa.gov/redbook/eng/overview-disability.htm?
As an aside, I know someone whose wife is on SSDI. She is legitimately disabled and I believe it took over 2 YEARS from the time she first applied until the time it was approved. Yes, there is fraud committed in SSI & SSDI but it is far from a massive amount and not at all easy to get away with it.
spooky3
(38,463 posts)riversedge
(80,264 posts)sinkingfeeling
(57,602 posts)CousinIT
(12,411 posts)If there is THAT MUCH FRAUD in those calls WHERE ARE THE CHARGES?
WHERE ARE THE RECORDS? WHERE IS THE PROOF?
There isn't any because this is all lies.
Emile
(41,651 posts)Seriously
yardwork
(69,139 posts)They drive around in their little motorized carts paid by Medicare and holler about getting the gubmint off their backs.
I saw one lose it ahead of me in line at the doctor's office. No clue. Absolutely no clue how fortunate they were to be covered by government assistance, all while hollering about Obama.
Linda ladeewolf
(1,132 posts)We have to protest like our lives depend on it now, because they do. Trump has plans to kill off thousands of us and disappear even more of us into prisons without due process.
Aviation Pro
(15,397 posts)Usha says its ok to have a second round with that couch.
dchill
(42,660 posts)Irish_Dem
(80,603 posts)What kind of fraud is he committing?
bucolic_frolic
(54,695 posts)If you don't make at least $200K a year you don't get anything. Reward the wealthy, starve the rest.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,517 posts)Turbineguy
(39,945 posts)spanone
(141,275 posts)He's a fucking liar.
Wounded Bear
(64,066 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(34,282 posts)Crowman2009
(3,473 posts)Because I would have been stationed at the same base as Cpl. Vance (MCAS Cherry Pt., NC) and make him do something that gets him demoted to Private. His CO would have ask him about all those couch f***in' photos that surfaced.
hadEnuf
(3,575 posts)Impeachments and removal from offices need to start happening immediately.
IronLionZion
(51,065 posts)if you don't like broken things, then you're fraud. Either way, no more social security payments for you. Cruelty is the point.
MayReasonRule
(4,079 posts)Basso8vb
(1,230 posts)Owens
(592 posts)Are arrests being made? People being charged?
blue-wave
(4,857 posts)to destroy social security. I'll say it again. They are building the narrative to destroy the system. A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. 70 million American lives depend upon the social security system. Are they going to let those Americans starve?
The above quote is attributed to many people.
Dulcinea
(9,926 posts)Does anyone actually take this asswipe seriously? Maybe Usha, but that's all.
Littlered
(347 posts)Elon and the doge crew said. So that is what Vance is repeating. They (doge) made this claim to justify having people come to the office in person. They claim nearly 40 percent of the calls are made by people trying to steal others identity. I have no idea if this is true. If it really is, what is the best way to handle it? Ive never had to call for anything, so I have no idea whats required to change deposit status. I know people on ss. Ive never heard of any having (bank fraud) happen to them, have any of you?
wiggs
(8,737 posts)shouldn't get anything either. The Reagan 'welfare mom who drives a cadillac' syndrome.
VMA131Marine
(5,221 posts)Its more like 1 in 10,000.
C_U_L8R
(49,196 posts)Your mascara will be running when we're done with you.
Sneederbunk
(17,381 posts)flashman13
(2,250 posts)Have you noticed that the lying continues to become ever more grandiose? Before long 110% of the callers are going to be committing fraud.
RANDYWILDMAN
(3,143 posts)and he knows and we know it! go away D-bag
SunSeeker
(58,042 posts)wolfie001
(7,459 posts)The assholes that voted for Shitler can all go fuck the hell off!
twodogsbarking
(18,204 posts)RobinA
(10,476 posts)voluntarily calls SS if they don't have to? I'd sooner learn how to print counterfeit money than deal with that.
ProfessorGAC
(76,326 posts)If a number seems unbelievable, it probably is.
This 40% thing is one of those.
MichMan
(16,959 posts)Have no idea how many were successful and how many were stopped
dpibel
(3,844 posts)Given that there's nary a word in the clip about scammers or banking info.
But perhaps you're just better tuned in to JD than I am.
viva la
(4,564 posts)He becomes whatever the creeps around him want him to be. and he has terrible taste in companions-- Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Donald Trump.
niyad
(131,089 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,577 posts)stock portfolios, trust funds and pension plans.
Hey everyone knows that.
applegrove
(131,401 posts)the truth on Trump's policies. Lutnick did this same thing last week so it is a feature not a bug.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)Everyone wants to hope and believe what they see with their eyes isn't happening, but it is.
senseandsensibility
(24,587 posts)I gave up on the corporate media but Dems should be screaming about this.
