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marmar

(79,235 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:14 PM Apr 2025

What will Trump do when his tariffs backfire?


What will Trump do when his tariffs backfire?
Nils Pratley

The US president’s tariffs are almost certain to have dire consequences and he is not impervious to market decline or public opinion


(Guardian UK) So much for the idea that “liberation day” would free financial markets from their fear of the unknown. Publication of precise tariff rates, went a cheerful line of advance thinking, would at least allow investors to assess the probable trade effects on the basis of hard information. True optimists clung to the idea that Donald Trump would not wish to risk a truly severe market reaction.

....(snip)....

The S&P 500 index fell 4% in early trading and is down more than 10% from its high six weeks ago. The dollar fell sharply even though traditional logic says tariffs ought to be currency-positive if $600bn (£457.5bn) of extra revenue is on cards. On this occasion, the market simply adjusted to the higher likelihood of a US recession from higher prices and slower growth.

....(snip)....

On that score, analysts noted the simplistic – or plain perverse – formula behind the administration’s tariff arithmetic. It seems to have taken a country’s trade deficit in goods with US, divided it by its exports to the US and called the resulting number a trade barrier that deserves a “reciprocal” US tariff. The underlying logic, it would appear, is that every country should always have a perfect trade balance with the US – never mind the impossibility of achieving that outcome, and never mind that the tariffs don’t affect trade in services.

....(snip)....

The view from bond specialist Pimco is that we should be wary. “He is certainly not entirely impervious to a market decline, nor is he unaffected by public sentiment, significant congressional pushback or concerns about a recession,” says Libby Cantrill, its head of US public policy.

“So, there is likely a limit to how much pain he and his administration are willing to endure in order to rebalance the economy, but when that is or what that looks like remains to be seen. For now, we should assume that his pain tolerance is pretty high and that tariffs stick around for a while.” ..................(more)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/the-world-looks-on-and-wonders-how-much-pain-is-trump-willing-to-take




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What will Trump do when his tariffs backfire? (Original Post) marmar Apr 2025 OP
Nuke Manitoba? Swede Apr 2025 #1
blame Joe Biden? CatWoman Apr 2025 #2
I thought that too. OLDMDDEM Apr 2025 #32
That is his go to phrase nowadays. GreenWave Apr 2025 #34
He'll say it is fake news. Don't believe your lyin' eyes. Obama and Soros are gaslighting you. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #3
Are Sadists EVER Satiated? hlthe2b Apr 2025 #4
Remember Norbert Apr 2025 #5
Blame President Biden................... Lovie777 Apr 2025 #6
Blame malaise Apr 2025 #7
1. call it fake news, 2. blame someone else, 3. claim only he can fix it, 4. provide a superseding scandal for next week 0rganism Apr 2025 #8
He'll declare victory by saying now that foreign countries understand the power trump wields, they will cotow to him. Silent Type Apr 2025 #9
He Will Double Down. MineralMan Apr 2025 #10
"It was Lutnick's idea!" no_hypocrisy Apr 2025 #11
Say something really racist...he often does that as a deliberate distraction. prodigitalson Apr 2025 #12
He will take the bribes and scale them back Easterncedar Apr 2025 #13
Go golfing? redwitch Apr 2025 #14
He'll blame everybody first -- and then go play golf. He has no shame or conscience. nt allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #16
Declare tariffs a total success and that we are too stupid to see what a genius he is. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #15
I predict he will initiate martial law prior to a full crash, meaning he won't have to do anything after the in2herbs Apr 2025 #17
That's the only end game I can make out of this dank assed stunt Ponietz Apr 2025 #33
He will ignore, lie, deny, and/or deflect. He will never admit a mistake, never! surfered Apr 2025 #18
he sure as hell won't take personal responsiblity Emile Apr 2025 #19
He'll say everything is going great. C_U_L8R Apr 2025 #20
He'll blame it on Biden and Obama ... Du916 Apr 2025 #21
Backfire? DiverDave Apr 2025 #22
Same as he does every day. GoodRaisin Apr 2025 #23
"willing to endure in order to rebalance the economy" Johonny Apr 2025 #24
Start a war.... Greenland looks likely. NT Happy Hoosier Apr 2025 #25
Blame Canada eShirl Apr 2025 #26
No matter what happens, Trump will never admit his tariffs backfired. sop Apr 2025 #27
Tariff "revenue" will be included in overall budget exboyfil Apr 2025 #28
Blame somebody else. Democrats in general or Joe Biden in particular, Ocelot II Apr 2025 #29
He'll blame Biden, Obama, Clinton and all those evil bastards from the left. GulfofMexico Apr 2025 #30
Remember that Trump is a narcissist, so he can't admit mistakes, even to himself. everyonematters Apr 2025 #31
After watching Nicole Wallace today, I think he'll remove tariffs only after each allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #35
Double down. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #36

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
3. He'll say it is fake news. Don't believe your lyin' eyes. Obama and Soros are gaslighting you. . . . .nt
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:18 PM
Apr 2025

Norbert

(7,556 posts)
5. Remember
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:19 PM
Apr 2025

Rule #1. Donald Trump is never wrong.

Rule #2. If he is wrong, refer to Rule #1.

0rganism

(25,466 posts)
8. 1. call it fake news, 2. blame someone else, 3. claim only he can fix it, 4. provide a superseding scandal for next week
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:26 PM
Apr 2025

The F47 playbook is short, simple, and highly effective.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
9. He'll declare victory by saying now that foreign countries understand the power trump wields, they will cotow to him.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:26 PM
Apr 2025

And he/trump will make everyone wealthy, just ignore millions unemployed and living in fear.

Worse, trumpsters will believe him.

Irish_Dem

(79,740 posts)
15. Declare tariffs a total success and that we are too stupid to see what a genius he is.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 01:54 PM
Apr 2025

At the same time blame things on everyone else.

in2herbs

(4,201 posts)
17. I predict he will initiate martial law prior to a full crash, meaning he won't have to do anything after the
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:02 PM
Apr 2025

tariffs backfire because martial law suspends the Constitution and he can rule like a King.

C_U_L8R

(48,850 posts)
20. He'll say everything is going great.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:12 PM
Apr 2025

As he is currently saying today. According to him, COVID went great too. I think we've had quite enough of Trump's 'great'.

DiverDave

(5,215 posts)
22. Backfire?
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:23 PM
Apr 2025

It's going as planned. Buy low, sell high.
People with money buy now. Then when he tells everyone that he won't enforce the tariffs, his stocks go up.
Rinse, repeat.
Fooking crooks.

Johonny

(25,411 posts)
24. "willing to endure in order to rebalance the economy"
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:13 PM
Apr 2025

That is optimistic at best. This isn't a rebalancing, it is a detonation of the economy for no purpose and no gains. There is no silver lining. When it ends we will just have made enemies of the world for no purpose other than to flatter the mad fat king. Woot!

exboyfil

(18,338 posts)
28. Tariff "revenue" will be included in overall budget
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:24 PM
Apr 2025

Allowing justification for the tax breaks.

Then after legislation passes a relaxation of tariffs on the countries he likes.

Ocelot II

(129,019 posts)
29. Blame somebody else. Democrats in general or Joe Biden in particular,
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:34 PM
Apr 2025

maybe Hillary and Obama, too; his hapless stooge Howard Nutlick, Canada, the EU, Jyna, the Deep State, DEI. Or all of the above.

 

GulfofMexico

(46 posts)
30. He'll blame Biden, Obama, Clinton and all those evil bastards from the left.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 03:36 PM
Apr 2025

But I guess that was a rhetorical question.

allegorical oracle

(6,168 posts)
35. After watching Nicole Wallace today, I think he'll remove tariffs only after each
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:01 PM
Apr 2025

country gives him something he wants -- like a kickback (rare minerals, diamonds, gold, cash) or real estate. A national honor might be feasible. Then, depending on how pleased he is, the tariff will be lowered or removed.

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