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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSen Blumenthal just said "coffee and bananas". The US is
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putting tariffs on coffee and bananas. They are things that the US will never produce and all it does is raise prices on Americans who consume those products.
* been informed the US grows both coffee and bananas but only for local consumption and prices will go up as American do import both (see below).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/04/03/trump-tariffs-banana-coffee-toilet-paper-prices-could-rise.html
biophile
(1,270 posts)Finally eat locally. 😏
central scrutinizer
(12,650 posts)I dont need fresh peaches grown somewhere in the southern hemisphere in January.
angryxyouth
(331 posts)80% bee loss. No bees no local produce
StarryNite
(12,012 posts)erodriguez
(911 posts)awesomerwb1
(5,026 posts)Coffee produced in PR and HI = 1-2% of the coffee supply to the US. So like almost nothing
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Also we really do not want to bring back low tech manufacturing that requires low wage unskilled workers. That is an utterly idiotic strategy. However, it does follow with defunding education, so sure lets do sweatshops.
Meanwhile developed countries with sane governments are investing in education, in modern sustainable infrastructure, in high tech high skill manufacturing. We are headed for the gutter.
Bettie
(19,391 posts)we all love coffee in our house.
applegrove
(130,813 posts)Irish_Dem
(80,286 posts)British Breakfast tea grown in Asia.
Mme. Defarge
(8,927 posts)msongs
(73,171 posts)applegrove
(130,813 posts)obamanut2012
(29,224 posts)CTyankee
(67,875 posts)Jerry2144
(3,202 posts)Theyre islands. Gotta make room for people, maybe plants, volcanoes
CTyankee
(67,875 posts)I meant of the land they use for planting now. Perhaps the answer is that there is not enough land available.
NutmegYankee
(16,467 posts)Arabica coffee is normally only grown between 2000-6000 feet in elevation, so much of the islands are unsuitable. The plant needs a niche climate, and we dont have enough land in that niche in the USA.
CTyankee
(67,875 posts)I did not know that fact about Arabica coffee.
NutmegYankee
(16,467 posts)We associate it with South America simply because the tropical Andes Mountains provide a lot of terrain suitable for large scale farming. Colombia for instance is a very high altitude country.
obamanut2012
(29,224 posts)For the same reason CT can't grow a huge amount of wheat.
Cant eat any on the mainland after living there and eating them grown in my yard. Not even close to the same. Plus the varieties!
awesomerwb1
(5,026 posts)Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)But unless there are domestic price controls, the domestic prices in a trade war tend to rise to just a small amount below the tariff price.
Now do wheat farmers, if any are left after this. They will be a target for retaliatory tariffs. Agriculture in general is highly vulnerable.
jmowreader
(52,963 posts)Given that, Hawaii can't produce enough of either to meet demand. In 2019, Hawaii grew about 4 million pounds of bananas. In 2023 the US imported over 6 billion pounds of bananas.
MissLilyBart
(146 posts)Puerto Rico and Hawaii are both coffee producers.
Both also grow bananas, as do some southern states.
Doesn't make this lunatic trade war tariff nonsense any less crazy or more valid, but to say we will 'never produce' those things is simply incorrect (as I sip my afternoon cup of Puerto Rican coffee).
applegrove
(130,813 posts)consumption in the US.
GiqueCee
(3,540 posts)... Remember Trump saying the quiet part out loud during his 2016 campaign? He knew damned well they WERE listening, because he's been a Russian asset for 30 years. He is the REAL Manchurian Candidate.
And still is, though no one seems to have the cojones to call him out on it. The dots are big and bold and easy to connect. So, say it with me:
TRUMP IS A TRAITOR AND EVERYTHING HE SAYS AND DOES IS AT THE BEHEST, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF, VLADIMIR PUTIN!
Once more, with feeling and four-part harmony.
let me get my juice harp!
LoisB
(12,489 posts)ReRe
(12,181 posts)LoisB
(12,489 posts)underpants
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bucolic_frolic
(54,339 posts)This will only make it worse. Bananas are a loss leader in their attempts to move them before they spoil.
Torchlight
(6,423 posts)yesterday it would begin/continue raising prices on coffee to offset its own higher costs; not just from tariffs, but also adverse weather conditions, and domestic supply chain disruptions.
Typical domestic coffee will increase 10% (my guess) and the imports by up to a third.