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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI worked in Trump's first administration. Here's why his team is using Signal
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/05/why-trump-administration-used-signal-hegseth-gabbardKevin Carroll
Using the platform was dangerous and wrong – but officials appeared to prioritize shielding themselves from litigation
Reasonable conclusions may be drawn from these facts. First, Trump’s national security cabinet commonly discusses secret information on insecure personal devices. Second, sophisticated adversaries such as Russia and China intercept such communications, especially those sent or received in their countries. Third, as a result, hostile intelligence services now probably possess blackmail material regarding these officials’ indiscreet past conversations on similar topics. Fourth, as a first-term Trump administration official and ex-CIA officer, I believe the reason these officials risk interacting in this way is to prevent their communications from being preserved as required by the Presidential Records Act, and avoid them being discoverable in litigation, or subject to a subpoena or Freedom of Information Act request. And fifth, no one seems to have feared being investigated by the justice department for what appears to be a violation of the Espionage Act’s Section 793(f), which makes gross negligence in mishandling classified information a felony; the FBI director, Kash Patel, and attorney general, Pam Bondi, quickly confirmed that hunch. Remarkably, the CIA director John Ratcliffe wouldn’t even admit to Congress that he and his colleagues had made a mistake.
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I happen to have served in Yemen as a sensitive activities officer for special operations command (central). Conspicuous in their absence from the Signal chat were uniformed officers responsible for the recent combat mission: the acting chair of the joint chiefs of staff Adm Christopher Grady, central command’s Gen Michael Kurilla and special operations command’s Gen Bryan Fenton. These good men would have raised the obvious objection: loose talk on insecure phones about a coming operation jeopardizes the lives of US sailors and marines standing watch on warships in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden, naval aviators flying over the beach towards the target, and likely special operators, intelligence officers and human sources working in the shadows on the ground.
You don’t need 30-plus years in uniform to know that holding a detailed yet insecure discussion about a pending military mission is wrong; the participants in the chat knew, too. They just didn’t care, not as much as they cared about keeping their communications from being legally discoverable. They’re safe in the knowledge that in a new era without benefit of the rule of law, Patel’s FBI and Bondi’s justice department will never bring charges against them, for a crime which uniformed service members are routinely prosecuted for vastly smaller infractions. As the attorney general made plain in her remarks about this matter, federal law enforcement is now entirely subservient to Trump’s personal and political interests.
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yourout
(8,413 posts)Irish_Dem
(68,664 posts)in their thought process.
CousinIT
(11,258 posts)Alice Kramden
(2,577 posts)"in a new era without benefit of the rule of law, Patel’s FBI and Bondi’s justice department will never bring charges against them, for a crime which uniformed service members are routinely prosecuted for vastly smaller infractions."
DENVERPOPS
(11,851 posts)that Trump and Putin were probably using "burner phones" as their back channel method of communicating daily.....
erronis
(19,198 posts)Vlad has a little joystick (well, that too) that he can fiddle to make trump jerk around.
Hope22
(3,915 posts)Nothing has changed. It’s a Republican value to endanger troops yet 99% of my family vets love themselves some of TSF! Makes me want to scream….there I did it!!
Beck23
(372 posts)Cybercom determines what software is permitted to run on DOD systems. Since Signal is not secure, the ACAS scans would pick it up and Cybercom would order it removed. If Signal is permitted to run on DOD systems, about anything is permitted to run.
I have no doubt that's why Trump fired the head of Cybercom, - so he can hire someone who will allow Signal on all the systems.
erronis
(19,198 posts)Plain Old Telephone System.
Hello operator. This is your favorite president.
Could you please plug me in to my bestest boy friend Vlad for a chat?
What's that? Oh, I don't care if you listen in. Just don't take notes. We don't like recordings.