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(93,371 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:44 PM Apr 2025

Bullshit. The President of El Salvador is coming to the White House on Monday

...he can bring Abrego Garcia with him.

Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney
BREAKING: Trump administation attests that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the "sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador."



Mr. Garcia was under the authority and protection of the United States. Which used to mean something in the world.

El Salvador accepted a fee from the Trump administration to hold convicted criminals in its Terrorism Confinement Center mega prison. Not one of those prisoners Trump kidnapped and flew to that gulag have been 'convicted' of anything in the U.S..

The U.S. is paying El Salvador $6m to imprison approximately 300 individuals there for one year.

Nothing in that agreement makes these prisoners property of the country of El Salvador. Presumably, if El Salvador was to try to release any of the Venezuelans on their own there would be stiff resistance from the WH.

Mr. Garcia, who was granted asylum by a U.S. judge, was 'mistakenly' abducted away to a U.S. sponsored jail in El Salvador by U.S. officials.

Under what terms did these prisoners become wards of the country of El Salvador? How does that work, and where is that established on any agreement?

There is no credible system of 'justice' in El Salvador, so calling it an 'authority' best describes the repressive intention of the courts to carry out their president, Nayib Bukele's edits against 'gangs' which have resulted in sweeping mass arrests and indefinite detention in these mega-jails without fair trial or recourse.

ICWA:

Gang membership was first criminalized in a 2003 anti-gang law (Ley Anti-Maras), as part of the larger Mano Dura or “Iron Fist” crackdown. The initial law resulted in mass arrests, leading to severe prison overcrowding and the dismissal of many of the charges by judges who refused to apply the law. Those judges were vindicated in 2004 when the Supreme Court held that the law, which arbitrarily penalized individuals based on factors such as their physical appearance, was unconstitutional. Over the next several years, there was escalating conflict between the legislative and executive branches—which have argued that “traditional” judges are overly concerned with defendants’ rights and insufficiently committed to stopping gang violence—and the courts, which sought to maintain their independence and uphold the constitution.

“They are saturating the courts and announcing the arrests in the press, and those who are arrested are branded, even if they are proven innocent.” He compared the strategy to the “scorched earth” military operations that led to some of the worst atrocities of the Civil War, recalling in particular the notorious case of El Mozote, in which an entire village—mostly women and children—was slaughtered by the Salvadoran military in 1981.

“These people are threatened and terrorized by the gangs on one side and by the PNC and the army who see everyone from that community as suspicious. They target whole families who are suspected to be connected to the gangs. It’s very difficult for youths to defend themselves with these extraordinary measures in the prisons, they aren’t allowed to see family or even their defense attorneys. Their right to defend themselves is being violated.”


The order allowing Mr. Garcia to remain in the U.S. was supposed to protect him from these atrocities in El Salvador, but the Trump administration is intent on feeding even more people into that hell hole, finding an outlet for his viciousness, and a kindred spirit for his cruel fascism in their barbarous president, Nayib Bukele.
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Bullshit. The President of El Salvador is coming to the White House on Monday (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2025 OP
and here I thought human trafficking was a crime nt msongs Apr 2025 #1
Another unbelievable irony is that part of Trump's support prt Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2025 #23
A meeting of the gangs. dchill Apr 2025 #2
Will he leave with a satchel of $$$? LoisB Apr 2025 #3
The prisoners are "branded"?? With serial numbers on their left forearm? AloeVera Apr 2025 #4
Terrific spot on point. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #5
Michael Kozak is the Senior Official of what Bureau? BarbD Apr 2025 #6
He is with the US State Department, Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs. Celerity Apr 2025 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #16
Photo is missing the "SS" pin on the collar...... lastlib Apr 2025 #21
Stand up now bdamomma Apr 2025 #15
El Salvador Embassy Washington Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2025 #12
every time the courts try to get ANYWHERE with these traitors, they just change the subject Takket Apr 2025 #8
Is there a protest organized? DBoon Apr 2025 #9
El Salvador Foreign Office Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #10
Little Marco contact Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #11
We have a 34 count convicted felon we should send down Emile Apr 2025 #14
That was MY thought. 70sEraVet Apr 2025 #20
Proof of life orangecrush Apr 2025 #17
I hope he has another date with Satan soon after the ICJ. lastlib Apr 2025 #22
Maybe he will bring Kilmar Abrego Garcia with him - seems logical. walkingman Apr 2025 #18
He declares under penalty of perjury that BOSSHOG Apr 2025 #19
Maybe he should bring Abrego Garcia with him? kentuck Apr 2025 #24

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,480 posts)
23. Another unbelievable irony is that part of Trump's support prt
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:12 AM
Apr 2025

comes from Q who believe he is a freedom fighter against human trafficking. (They also are convinced Biden is a raging pedophile, Dems eat babies, are lizards in human disguise, etc.)

AloeVera

(4,000 posts)
4. The prisoners are "branded"?? With serial numbers on their left forearm?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:03 PM
Apr 2025

Or what? Remind you of something?

BarbD

(1,369 posts)
6. Michael Kozak is the Senior Official of what Bureau?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:28 PM
Apr 2025

This is a nightmare. We must stand up to these cruel, inhumane atrocities.

Celerity

(53,701 posts)
13. He is with the US State Department, Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:41 PM
Apr 2025
https://www.state.gov/biographies/michael-kozak/





With more than 50 years of service as a diplomat, Ambassador Kozak has twice served as Senior Bureau Official for WHA: from 2019 to 2021, and since January 2025. He previously served as coordinator for Afghan refugees in the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (2022-2025), senior bureau official in the Office of Global Criminal Justice (2021-2022), deputy special representative for Venezuela (2019), senior bureau official for the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor (DRL) (2017-2019), senior advisor to the DRL assistant secretary (2009-2017), and DRL principal deputy assistant secretary (2003-2005).
Overseas, Kozak served as ambassador to Belarus (2000-2003), chief of mission at the United States Interest Section in Havana (1996-1999), and special negotiator for Haiti (1993-1996). In addition, Kozak headed the U.S. delegation to the Organization for Security and Cooperation for several years in Europe’s Human Dimension Conference.

Earlier in his career, Kozak served as senior director for democracy, human rights, and international organizations at the NSC (2005-2009). Kozak also served as principal deputy assistant secretary for Inter-American Affairs (1988-1991), principal deputy legal adviser (1985-1988), and as attorney adviser to the Panama Canal Zone Government (1972-73).

A charter member of the Senior Executive Service, Kozak has received numerous awards and honors, including the Department of State’s Superior Honor Award, Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive, Presidential Rank of Meritorious Executive and the Young Federal Lawyer Award.

Kozak earned both a bachelor’s degree and a JD from the University of California at Berkeley. He and his wife, Eileen, have two sons.

Response to Celerity (Reply #13)

lastlib

(27,557 posts)
21. Photo is missing the "SS" pin on the collar......
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:53 PM
Apr 2025

...and the Golden Ass Mug pin on the lapel. He may not be long in this job....

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
7. El Salvador Embassy Washington
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:32 PM
Apr 2025


El Salvadoran Embassy in Washington, D.C.
1400, 16th. Street, NW, Suite 100
Washington, DC 20036
United States

Telephone

(+1) 202-595-7500

Email

infoEEUU@rree.gob.sv
MediaEmbassyUSA@rree.gob.sv
EmbajadaEEUU@rree.gob.sv

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #7)

Takket

(23,482 posts)
8. every time the courts try to get ANYWHERE with these traitors, they just change the subject
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:32 PM
Apr 2025

oh it was a mistake

oh we can't bring him back

oh we have no control over el salvador........

on and on it goes forever.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
10. El Salvador Foreign Office
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:35 PM
Apr 2025

San Salvador

Calle El Pedregal, Blvd. Cancillería. Ciudad Merliot, Antiguo Cuscatlan, El Salvador. C.A

Ms. Juana Alexandra Hill Tinoco
Minister

jhill@rree.gob.sv

503 2231 1000

www.rree.gob.sv

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
11. Little Marco contact
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:38 PM
Apr 2025

Name Marco Rubio
Position Secretary of State
Entered Office January 20, 2025
Office Room 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500
Phone number (202) 456-1111
email https://sengov.com/whitehouse/marco-rubio/

70sEraVet

(5,244 posts)
20. That was MY thought.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:05 PM
Apr 2025

We're sending people who have not been convicted of any crime to a notorious prison in a country that is under a notorious political system (not that ours is too far behind), when the leader of our own country has 34 felony convictions??

orangecrush

(28,420 posts)
17. Proof of life
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:45 PM
Apr 2025

Or his location.

There is none.

I don't believe it.

This and the whole racist onslaught stem from Stephen Miller, whom I hope someday has a date with the ICJ.

lastlib

(27,557 posts)
22. I hope he has another date with Satan soon after the ICJ.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:57 PM
Apr 2025

I wish he would follow in the footsteps of Bormann, and bite the cyanide capsule. YMMV.

kentuck

(115,116 posts)
24. Maybe he should bring Abrego Garcia with him?
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:22 AM
Apr 2025

Donald Trump is not going to be in power forever and we will dismantle your concentration camp.

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