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Zorro

(18,318 posts)
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:21 AM Apr 2025

Trump's order to expand U.S. timber production includes all of California's national forests

California’s national forests are on the chopping block — literally — in the wake of the Trump administration’s April 5 order to immediately expand timber production in the United States.

Last week, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins issued an emergency declaration that ordered the U.S. Forest Service to open up some 112.5 million acres of national forestland to logging.

The announcement included a grainy map of affected forests, which did not specify forest names or the amount of impacted acreage in each. However, U.S. Department of Agriculture officials have confirmed to The Times that the order will touch all 18 of the Golden State’s national forests, which collectively span more than 20 million acres.

“The USDA Forest Service stands ready to fulfill the Secretary’s vision of productive and resilient national forests outlined in the memorandum,” the agency said in a written statement. “In alignment with the Secretary’s direction, we will streamline forest management efforts, reduce burdensome regulations, and grow partnerships to support economic growth and sustainability.”

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2025-04-12/trumps-timber-production-california-national-forests

Not a day goes by without a new outrage from this administration.

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Trump's order to expand U.S. timber production includes all of California's national forests (Original Post) Zorro Apr 2025 OP
It's retaliation. Baitball Blogger Apr 2025 #1
"They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum............ Ping Tung Apr 2025 #12
They refused to rake the forest floors Diraven Apr 2025 #52
I wonder how much of a kickback tsf gets. johnnyfins Apr 2025 #2
He thinks if they're not raked to prevent forest fires, then they should just be cut down. Another problem solved surfered Apr 2025 #3
Leave no sequoia behind. no_hypocrisy Apr 2025 #4
That sucks 😔👎 Tickle Apr 2025 #5
That is unlikely to have any significant effect. Wiz Imp Apr 2025 #43
This makes me nauseous and pissed off beyond words Bayard Apr 2025 #6
I am so sick of hearing "burdensome regulations". louis-t Apr 2025 #7
What do you expect? This is the guy... keep_left Apr 2025 #8
Holy hell...haha D_Master81 Apr 2025 #13
He only spends time outdoors BonnieJW Apr 2025 #27
Remember when conservatives thought Obama Dr. T Apr 2025 #45
Mt. Lassen National Forest is in my sister's eyesight. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2025 #9
The definitions are strange. Igel Apr 2025 #53
I suspect the fool thinks our national forests are filled with trees down in southern CA travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #10
I do notice that people have no real idea about California Unwind Your Mind Apr 2025 #11
I'm trying to plan a family vacation out there D_Master81 Apr 2025 #14
Thank you for visiting! Unwind Your Mind Apr 2025 #19
Do it! You will not regret it. CareyOn Apr 2025 #50
They have no shame. mdbl Apr 2025 #24
National Forests OrangeJoe Apr 2025 #31
Retaliation Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #15
I guess we'll just have to grow the trees back MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #16
Right. The world's tallest trees can be replaced by pine mono-forests just like that Hekate Apr 2025 #20
Man. What happened to these guys? MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #54
Right. The sequoia's that trump/buddies are lusting for are more than 1,000 years old. erronis Apr 2025 #21
it's truly sickening! LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #36
Perhaps it's time to not allow them to cut. Magoo48 Apr 2025 #35
Very Saruman of them ybbor Apr 2025 #17
MAGA forest management will leave us looking like Mordor LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #37
The goal of destroying what has taken thousands of years to grow and houses CareyOn Apr 2025 #18
Yes Hekate Apr 2025 #23
Few things more evil than this sort of destruction LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #38
When all the magats are gasping for oxygen mdbl Apr 2025 #22
Can they sue to stop him? WTF is an emergency about cutting down trees?? 58Sunliner Apr 2025 #25
President mudslides Johonny Apr 2025 #26
OH MY GOD!!! bluboid Apr 2025 #28
Something tells me there will be massive protests of people saying kimbutgar Apr 2025 #29
Fuck that fucking FUCK. RandomNumbers Apr 2025 #30
No problem. Someone will sue & the feds might eventually Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2025 #32
What a dick. Owning the Libs. FU Evolve Dammit Apr 2025 #33
What emergency? pfitz59 Apr 2025 #34
Emergency he created since we buy Tree Lady Apr 2025 #56
There's a song called The Trees Dr. T Apr 2025 #39
May the Traildogbob Apr 2025 #40
We need superheros. Fear not. Magoo48 Apr 2025 #41
CALL 911! ROBBERY IN PROGRESS! dchill Apr 2025 #42
Secede Cali, now. Clouds Passing Apr 2025 #44
Governor Newsum? Magoo48 Apr 2025 #49
Trump... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #46
Even California GQP will not allow this................ Lovie777 Apr 2025 #47
I doubt he can do any such thing. valleyrogue Apr 2025 #48
Look at the ecosystems on islands that got deforested. GreenWave Apr 2025 #51
This makes me sick Tree Lady Apr 2025 #55

surfered

(11,107 posts)
3. He thinks if they're not raked to prevent forest fires, then they should just be cut down. Another problem solved
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:27 AM
Apr 2025

by our Dear Leader.

 

Tickle

(4,131 posts)
5. That sucks 😔👎
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:31 AM
Apr 2025

Burgum is restarting our coal mines since idiot lifted all of Obamas restrictions.

Wiz Imp

(8,748 posts)
43. That is unlikely to have any significant effect.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:18 PM
Apr 2025

Coal mining is expensive and not very efficient compared to other energy sources. This administration can't change that.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-coal-executive-order-doe-power-plants/744846/

Trump aims to boost coal, in part by ordering power plants to stay open
However, the executive orders will likely have little effect on coal-fired generation, according to analysts.


The moves by the Trump administration do little to improve the economics of coal compared to other generating resources, according to Rob Gramlich, CEO of Grid Strategies. “Natural gas fracking killed coal power in the US and neither this nor any previous administration is banning fracking,” Gramlich said on social media.

“I don’t think these orders change the facts that coal-fired power plants are old, expensive to run, and unlikely to operate very often or for many more years,” Gramlich said.

Also, there is no evidence that any company is considering building a new coal-fired power plant or that supply chains or manufacturing could support it, Gramlich said.

Nearly all U.S. coal-fired power plants are more expensive to run than new, local wind, solar and energy storage resources, according to a January 2023 report from Energy Innovation.


Bayard

(28,361 posts)
6. This makes me nauseous and pissed off beyond words
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:37 AM
Apr 2025

All you can hope is that a tree falls on him. They seem intent on destroying everything that is good about this country.

Pay site.

louis-t

(24,566 posts)
7. I am so sick of hearing "burdensome regulations".
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:42 AM
Apr 2025

That goes back to Newt Gin-grinch. Buy a new fucking record, assholes. Jeez.

keep_left

(3,143 posts)
8. What do you expect? This is the guy...
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:46 AM
Apr 2025

...who pronounces "Yosemite" as "Yo Semite"!!

(see about 0:15)

?si=ap3TZo-fPPBvC94Z

D_Master81

(2,339 posts)
13. Holy hell...haha
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 11:59 AM
Apr 2025

I realize that he’s likely never been in the outdoors but I thought most people have at least heard of Yosemite enough to know how to pronounce it. Or at least someone had gone over the speech beforehand. But the again he knows best so no one will do that

Igel

(37,271 posts)
53. The definitions are strange.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:32 PM
Apr 2025

And important. Some posts obscure the difference and that's an important error.

Do you mean Mt. Lassen National Park, which is a part of Mt. Lassen National Forest but not included in the order because it's under the control of the National Parks? Does it include the many acres of BLM land that's on the NF's northern border? Any FWS land in the area?

Federal forest land in the country falls into four categories: BLM land (which has always been open to logging, provided all the regs are followed--meaning that some areas are de facto closed), national parks (which are open for all sorts of things and even have been for some logging), and national parks (in which logging is at most thinning), and FWS land (which, as far as I'm aware, is off limits and heavily regulated).

I like national forests, but they lack any kind of service and if you need help you'd better hope somebody else is hiking or fishing nearby. National parks have rangers and such that are fairly common and patrol the place; they have curators and interpretive trails, amenities, and typically include the most scenic areas, assuming that by "scenic" you don't just mean trees. But driving through some national parks, it's mile after mile of woods for 10, 15, 20 miles, and if you break down a ranger may pass through sometime that day on the way to work (or going home). When I parents and brother visited me in Oregon they said they'd never seen so many trees--Coos Bay to Yachats to Sisters, Salem to the Rogue River.

Often it's hard to tell where a national forest and BLM land change hands. Going hiking and fishing up in the Cascades and the western slopes you'd hike and only suspect you exited one if you ran into logging, and only know for sure if you were following a road that and the boundary was posted. (Oregon's over 52% federally owned and in more than a few places city and town limits are right up againt the border so if you want to build a house you need to tear something else down. That's true in a bunch of LA, too.)

travelingthrulife

(4,322 posts)
10. I suspect the fool thinks our national forests are filled with trees down in southern CA
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 11:10 AM
Apr 2025

instead of scrub brush.

Republicans are terrible people. We need to shame the evangelical christians doing this to our country.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,315 posts)
11. I do notice that people have no real idea about California
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 11:16 AM
Apr 2025

How large and diverse it is. They don’t know about our mountains and ancient redwood forests

All they know is Hollywood and Disneyland

D_Master81

(2,339 posts)
14. I'm trying to plan a family vacation out there
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:01 PM
Apr 2025

In a couple years I’d like to take the family out to California and whenever you tell someone that in Indiana they just recoil and say “why would you want to do that?” I say cause I’d like to see Yosemite, Sequoia National park, Tahoe and Big Sur. They almost get offended when I tell them Indiana doesn’t hold a candle to California when it comes to beauty.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,315 posts)
19. Thank you for visiting!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:30 PM
Apr 2025

I have a suggestion, when you leave Big Sur, you can drive north up the coast highway, swing through San Francisco (or not) cross the Golden Gate Bridge and end up in Sonoma County in about four hours. We have Armstrong Woods with incredible old trees and you can zip line if you like that sort of thing. Then the drive from Santa Rosa to Sonoma is renowned for its beauty, and wineries.

CareyOn

(80 posts)
50. Do it! You will not regret it.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:51 PM
Apr 2025

In their early years my children experienced camping in Sequoia on many summer weekends and since we moved out of the state I have made sure that each grandchild was able to experience the grandeur of Sequoia and Yosemite. This was to be the summer that I take my great grandchild. My health has deteriorated and I feel the urgency to get back there not only for the 8 year old, but for myself. My granddaughter's souvenir from 20 years ago was a small Sequoia start in a tube
which she still nurtures lovingly even though it is now well beyond needing her attention. But it has watered her own spirit
through some difficult times. She has a single tattoo of Big Sherman on her arm and that says it all.

OrangeJoe

(555 posts)
31. National Forests
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:47 PM
Apr 2025

Our National Forests are managed under a multiple use doctrine with one of those uses being timber production. In the 1980s Reagan ordered them to "up the cut" and produce more timber. A lot of trees were harvested, about 10 billion board feet annually as I remember. Many of those trees were old growth, trees that are over 200 years old which contain nice straight grain wood. Well guess what? Today the big ones are gone and what's left do not contain nearly as much volume. Combined with the expansion of Wilderness Areas, which prohibits timber harvesting, there just aren't many trees left to cut.

The other fact is that in many areas of the National Forest system, outside of the Northwest and coastal Alaska, timber quantity and quality is so poor and logging costs are so high that it ends up costing more to build the roads to access the trees than they can be sold for. The result is "below cost timber sales". Maybe those wankers at DOGE will catch wind of it and actually halt some real waste. Combine that with the resistance movement within the ranks of Forest Service employees who can slow walk a lot of this I imagine this will turn into another dumb Trump idea that he quickly loses interest in following through.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
20. Right. The world's tallest trees can be replaced by pine mono-forests just like that
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:32 PM
Apr 2025

Governor Reagan’s immortal words live on: “ When you’ve seen one redwood, you’ve seen them all”

erronis

(22,486 posts)
21. Right. The sequoia's that trump/buddies are lusting for are more than 1,000 years old.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:32 PM
Apr 2025

The trees will grow back (unless replaced by high-rises/parking lots) but not in the next 20+ generations of our children.

CareyOn

(80 posts)
18. The goal of destroying what has taken thousands of years to grow and houses
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:27 PM
Apr 2025

such diversity of wildlife, the magnificence and beauty that has inspired poets and song writers and sustained
and lifted the spirit of humankind is a level of evil that is incomprehensible. Tears.

kimbutgar

(26,679 posts)
29. Something tells me there will be massive protests of people saying
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:43 PM
Apr 2025

“Hell no you’re not touching our trees.”

He just an insane demented man who has no idea what he’s talking about!

RandomNumbers

(19,042 posts)
30. Fuck that fucking FUCK.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:43 PM
Apr 2025

(Give me a little more coffee and maybe I'll say how I really feel.)

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,480 posts)
32. No problem. Someone will sue & the feds might eventually
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:48 PM
Apr 2025

order all the felled trees to be returned to their stumps.

pfitz59

(12,265 posts)
34. What emergency?
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:55 PM
Apr 2025

Everything is an 'emergency' to these Trumpers. It's an attempt to get around existing law.

Tree Lady

(12,975 posts)
56. Emergency he created since we buy
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:30 PM
Apr 2025

a lot of lumber from Canada. He creates problem with Canada then says we have to cut our forests instead.

Dr. T

(497 posts)
39. There's a song called The Trees
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:09 PM
Apr 2025

written and performed by Rush.

It's more of a political commentary on the state of relations between Canada and the US than it is about trees. Either way, the meaning is more pertinent now than it was when it was released in the late 70's.

I recommend finding it on YouTube and giving it a listen. For the uninitiated, the oak trees in the song represent the US and the maples represent Canada.

Traildogbob

(12,452 posts)
40. May the
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:10 PM
Apr 2025

Ghosts of John Muir and Roosevelt come finish the clear cutting of trumps “Full Dome”. One painful rip at a time. Place that scalp framed, in the Whitehouse in place of a portrait. In remembrance of his end. And America’s first step to start at regaining all he destroyed.
The anger of his exposed white ass bald head will cause a heart attack and then we can get to Making America Great Again.
Then deport his whole cabinet, GQP congress, senate, Governors, Judges and family to El Salvador. With the same due process he allowed.
Put Noem in a cell full of starving Pit Bulls.
Pay them billions from all the money he and his billionaire thieves took.
My Thought and prayer 🙏🏽. Dreaming is about all we got left.

Magoo48

(6,687 posts)
41. We need superheros. Fear not.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:12 PM
Apr 2025

Calling HAYDUKE, Calling Seldom-Seen-Smith, Calling Doc Sarvis, Calling Bonnie Abbzug.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
42. CALL 911! ROBBERY IN PROGRESS!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:14 PM
Apr 2025

None of this shit is legal. This is NOT government. It's pillage that no one voted for.

Magoo48

(6,687 posts)
49. Governor Newsum?
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:35 PM
Apr 2025

Time to come out and stand strong. Time for all Californians to lend a hand in any way we can. We must stop this carnage before it begins.

GiqueCee

(3,309 posts)
46. Trump...
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:29 PM
Apr 2025

... hasn't done a single constructive thing since he took office. Not. One. Single. Thing. It's just petty playground politics, vindictive retribution against truth, and malicious destruction just for the fun of it. Oh, and stealing money hand over fist.
There has to be a nationwide celebration the day this evil fuck dies. MAGA may mourn; decent people will rejoice.

valleyrogue

(2,525 posts)
48. I doubt he can do any such thing.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:31 PM
Apr 2025

More talking out of his ass to give red meat to the base.

GreenWave

(12,211 posts)
51. Look at the ecosystems on islands that got deforested.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 01:59 PM
Apr 2025

Start at Mar a Lago. Malice in Blunderland should feel the pain first.

Tree Lady

(12,975 posts)
55. This makes me sick
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:26 PM
Apr 2025

I love trees so much. Republican president Teddy Roosevelt should haunt him from the grave.

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