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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump's order to expand U.S. timber production includes all of California's national forests
Californias national forests are on the chopping block literally in the wake of the Trump administrations April 5 order to immediately expand timber production in the United States.
Last week, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins issued an emergency declaration that ordered the U.S. Forest Service to open up some 112.5 million acres of national forestland to logging.
The announcement included a grainy map of affected forests, which did not specify forest names or the amount of impacted acreage in each. However, U.S. Department of Agriculture officials have confirmed to The Times that the order will touch all 18 of the Golden States national forests, which collectively span more than 20 million acres.
The USDA Forest Service stands ready to fulfill the Secretarys vision of productive and resilient national forests outlined in the memorandum, the agency said in a written statement. In alignment with the Secretarys direction, we will streamline forest management efforts, reduce burdensome regulations, and grow partnerships to support economic growth and sustainability.
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2025-04-12/trumps-timber-production-california-national-forests
Not a day goes by without a new outrage from this administration.
Baitball Blogger
(51,636 posts)Ping Tung
(4,121 posts)Diraven
(1,795 posts)Which was Trump's solution to stop forest fires.
johnnyfins
(3,388 posts)They are "his" forests, you know.
surfered
(11,107 posts)by our Dear Leader.
no_hypocrisy
(54,126 posts)What a dick!
Tickle
(4,131 posts)Burgum is restarting our coal mines since idiot lifted all of Obamas restrictions.
Wiz Imp
(8,748 posts)Coal mining is expensive and not very efficient compared to other energy sources. This administration can't change that.
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-coal-executive-order-doe-power-plants/744846/
Trump aims to boost coal, in part by ordering power plants to stay open
However, the executive orders will likely have little effect on coal-fired generation, according to analysts.
I dont think these orders change the facts that coal-fired power plants are old, expensive to run, and unlikely to operate very often or for many more years, Gramlich said.
Also, there is no evidence that any company is considering building a new coal-fired power plant or that supply chains or manufacturing could support it, Gramlich said.
Nearly all U.S. coal-fired power plants are more expensive to run than new, local wind, solar and energy storage resources, according to a January 2023 report from Energy Innovation.
Bayard
(28,361 posts)All you can hope is that a tree falls on him. They seem intent on destroying everything that is good about this country.
Pay site.
louis-t
(24,566 posts)That goes back to Newt Gin-grinch. Buy a new fucking record, assholes. Jeez.
keep_left
(3,143 posts)...who pronounces "Yosemite" as "Yo Semite"!!
(see about 0:15)
D_Master81
(2,339 posts)I realize that hes likely never been in the outdoors but I thought most people have at least heard of Yosemite enough to know how to pronounce it. Or at least someone had gone over the speech beforehand. But the again he knows best so no one will do that
BonnieJW
(3,077 posts)On golf courses
Dr. T
(497 posts)spent too much time on the golf course?
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,557 posts)She voted for TSF too.
Igel
(37,271 posts)And important. Some posts obscure the difference and that's an important error.
Do you mean Mt. Lassen National Park, which is a part of Mt. Lassen National Forest but not included in the order because it's under the control of the National Parks? Does it include the many acres of BLM land that's on the NF's northern border? Any FWS land in the area?
Federal forest land in the country falls into four categories: BLM land (which has always been open to logging, provided all the regs are followed--meaning that some areas are de facto closed), national parks (which are open for all sorts of things and even have been for some logging), and national parks (in which logging is at most thinning), and FWS land (which, as far as I'm aware, is off limits and heavily regulated).
I like national forests, but they lack any kind of service and if you need help you'd better hope somebody else is hiking or fishing nearby. National parks have rangers and such that are fairly common and patrol the place; they have curators and interpretive trails, amenities, and typically include the most scenic areas, assuming that by "scenic" you don't just mean trees. But driving through some national parks, it's mile after mile of woods for 10, 15, 20 miles, and if you break down a ranger may pass through sometime that day on the way to work (or going home). When I parents and brother visited me in Oregon they said they'd never seen so many trees--Coos Bay to Yachats to Sisters, Salem to the Rogue River.
Often it's hard to tell where a national forest and BLM land change hands. Going hiking and fishing up in the Cascades and the western slopes you'd hike and only suspect you exited one if you ran into logging, and only know for sure if you were following a road that and the boundary was posted. (Oregon's over 52% federally owned and in more than a few places city and town limits are right up againt the border so if you want to build a house you need to tear something else down. That's true in a bunch of LA, too.)
travelingthrulife
(4,322 posts)instead of scrub brush.
Republicans are terrible people. We need to shame the evangelical christians doing this to our country.
Unwind Your Mind
(2,315 posts)How large and diverse it is. They dont know about our mountains and ancient redwood forests
All they know is Hollywood and Disneyland
D_Master81
(2,339 posts)In a couple years Id like to take the family out to California and whenever you tell someone that in Indiana they just recoil and say why would you want to do that? I say cause Id like to see Yosemite, Sequoia National park, Tahoe and Big Sur. They almost get offended when I tell them Indiana doesnt hold a candle to California when it comes to beauty.
Unwind Your Mind
(2,315 posts)I have a suggestion, when you leave Big Sur, you can drive north up the coast highway, swing through San Francisco (or not) cross the Golden Gate Bridge and end up in Sonoma County in about four hours. We have Armstrong Woods with incredible old trees and you can zip line if you like that sort of thing. Then the drive from Santa Rosa to Sonoma is renowned for its beauty, and wineries.
CareyOn
(80 posts)In their early years my children experienced camping in Sequoia on many summer weekends and since we moved out of the state I have made sure that each grandchild was able to experience the grandeur of Sequoia and Yosemite. This was to be the summer that I take my great grandchild. My health has deteriorated and I feel the urgency to get back there not only for the 8 year old, but for myself. My granddaughter's souvenir from 20 years ago was a small Sequoia start in a tube
which she still nurtures lovingly even though it is now well beyond needing her attention. But it has watered her own spirit
through some difficult times. She has a single tattoo of Big Sherman on her arm and that says it all.
mdbl
(8,020 posts)OrangeJoe
(555 posts)Our National Forests are managed under a multiple use doctrine with one of those uses being timber production. In the 1980s Reagan ordered them to "up the cut" and produce more timber. A lot of trees were harvested, about 10 billion board feet annually as I remember. Many of those trees were old growth, trees that are over 200 years old which contain nice straight grain wood. Well guess what? Today the big ones are gone and what's left do not contain nearly as much volume. Combined with the expansion of Wilderness Areas, which prohibits timber harvesting, there just aren't many trees left to cut.
The other fact is that in many areas of the National Forest system, outside of the Northwest and coastal Alaska, timber quantity and quality is so poor and logging costs are so high that it ends up costing more to build the roads to access the trees than they can be sold for. The result is "below cost timber sales". Maybe those wankers at DOGE will catch wind of it and actually halt some real waste. Combine that with the resistance movement within the ranks of Forest Service employees who can slow walk a lot of this I imagine this will turn into another dumb Trump idea that he quickly loses interest in following through.
Iamscrewed
(486 posts)Fuck climate change, burn it down.
MadameButterfly
(3,725 posts)after he steps down
Hekate
(100,131 posts)Governor Reagans immortal words live on: When youve seen one redwood, youve seen them all
MadameButterfly
(3,725 posts)erronis
(22,486 posts)The trees will grow back (unless replaced by high-rises/parking lots) but not in the next 20+ generations of our children.
LymphocyteLover
(9,301 posts)Magoo48
(6,687 posts)ybbor
(1,701 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,301 posts)CareyOn
(80 posts)such diversity of wildlife, the magnificence and beauty that has inspired poets and song writers and sustained
and lifted the spirit of humankind is a level of evil that is incomprehensible. Tears.
LymphocyteLover
(9,301 posts)mdbl
(8,020 posts)They'll blame the Democrats.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)Shit heads.
Johonny
(25,291 posts)bluboid
(845 posts)kimbutgar
(26,679 posts)Hell no youre not touching our trees.
He just an insane demented man who has no idea what hes talking about!
RandomNumbers
(19,042 posts)(Give me a little more coffee and maybe I'll say how I really feel.)
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,480 posts)order all the felled trees to be returned to their stumps.
Evolve Dammit
(21,420 posts)pfitz59
(12,265 posts)Everything is an 'emergency' to these Trumpers. It's an attempt to get around existing law.
Tree Lady
(12,975 posts)a lot of lumber from Canada. He creates problem with Canada then says we have to cut our forests instead.
Dr. T
(497 posts)written and performed by Rush.
It's more of a political commentary on the state of relations between Canada and the US than it is about trees. Either way, the meaning is more pertinent now than it was when it was released in the late 70's.
I recommend finding it on YouTube and giving it a listen. For the uninitiated, the oak trees in the song represent the US and the maples represent Canada.
Traildogbob
(12,452 posts)Ghosts of John Muir and Roosevelt come finish the clear cutting of trumps Full Dome. One painful rip at a time. Place that scalp framed, in the Whitehouse in place of a portrait. In remembrance of his end. And Americas first step to start at regaining all he destroyed.
The anger of his exposed white ass bald head will cause a heart attack and then we can get to Making America Great Again.
Then deport his whole cabinet, GQP congress, senate, Governors, Judges and family to El Salvador. With the same due process he allowed.
Put Noem in a cell full of starving Pit Bulls.
Pay them billions from all the money he and his billionaire thieves took.
My Thought and prayer 🙏🏽. Dreaming is about all we got left.
Magoo48
(6,687 posts)Calling HAYDUKE, Calling Seldom-Seen-Smith, Calling Doc Sarvis, Calling Bonnie Abbzug.
dchill
(42,660 posts)None of this shit is legal. This is NOT government. It's pillage that no one voted for.
Clouds Passing
(6,842 posts)Magoo48
(6,687 posts)Time to come out and stand strong. Time for all Californians to lend a hand in any way we can. We must stop this carnage before it begins.
GiqueCee
(3,309 posts)... hasn't done a single constructive thing since he took office. Not. One. Single. Thing. It's just petty playground politics, vindictive retribution against truth, and malicious destruction just for the fun of it. Oh, and stealing money hand over fist.
There has to be a nationwide celebration the day this evil fuck dies. MAGA may mourn; decent people will rejoice.
Lovie777
(21,578 posts)valleyrogue
(2,525 posts)More talking out of his ass to give red meat to the base.
GreenWave
(12,211 posts)Start at Mar a Lago. Malice in Blunderland should feel the pain first.
Tree Lady
(12,975 posts)I love trees so much. Republican president Teddy Roosevelt should haunt him from the grave.