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Reminder that right now, in the state of Georgia, we, as a society, that we are holding a dead woman as a prisoner and the government is forcing a hospital to keep a brain dead woman alive against the wishes of her family just because she died while 9 weeks pregnant and the state government will force her to breath and her heart to pump until the completion of the third trimester and they can cut the fetus from this poor family's daughter's corpse.
The kicker is they are also forcing her family to pay all the medical bills to keep her alive for the next 7 months.
All without understanding the actual impact on the fetus by forcing this poor woman to maintain this zombie state for 7 months.
This is a fucking horror show.
Reference: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-woman-brain-dead-woman-must-carry-fetus-to-birth-because-of-abortion-ban/
get the red out
(13,955 posts)Usually they refuse a life-saving DNC and just watch someone bleed out and die.
Irish_Dem
(79,782 posts)If you are alive, they make you get and stay dead.
soldierant
(9,286 posts)The cause of death was unrelated to the pregnancy. I think it was a stroke or something similar. A fuller version of the story was in The Root.
She was only 9 weeks pregnant with somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 to go.
CrispyQ
(40,667 posts)Why doesn't the pro-choice movement use this argument? If I know about it, why don't they?
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers
snip...
I. The basic argument The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6
Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.
~more at link
Parents can't be compelled to donate their organs to their child, even to save the child's life. Why does a fetus have more claim on a woman's body?
soldierant
(9,286 posts)The cause of death was not related to the pregnancy, and she was dead before the government learned she was pregnant at all.
lonely bird
(2,768 posts)If she was injured that traumatically in a car accident the impact is the same.
It is not about whether the pregnancy caused her condition. It is about what is happening.
Iirc, the fetus is not developing correctly as well. If determined to be do to the condition of the mothers body then termination should be in order.
raging moderate
(4,603 posts)At 9 weeks, this poor woman had an EMBRYO inside her! And what is called 9 weeks is actually about 7 weeks. I remember that the pregnancies of BOTH my children were calculated from the starting dates of my menstrual bleeds. And the embryo does not really form at that point. Many women do not even know they are pregnant at the point this poor woman was forced into being a dead incubator.
bucolic_frolic
(54,032 posts)Lawyers should try having her declared dead. Dead people cannot give birth. Or at least it's not happened before.
The implications are astounding. People could be declared the product of all their ancestors. Right back to famous rich royalty!
Property and inheritance rights could be claimed!
You say oh, this can't happen! Ha! Dead parent is birthing by state decree!
Delmette2.0
(4,470 posts)ChazInAz
(2,993 posts)Jeeze, I could inherit the Austro-Hungarian Empire! (No idea how many are between me and the throne. Maybe I could pull a Richard III move.)
bucolic_frolic
(54,032 posts)Delmette2.0
(4,470 posts)That's perfect.
Lovie777
(21,744 posts)rubbersole
(10,987 posts)Would the hospital put her out on the street?
lostnfound
(17,400 posts)DFW
(59,730 posts)Will Georgia threaten to let the dead woman die?
KT2000
(21,938 posts)Under the laws of some states, women are not people but just incubators for the state. This is abuse of a corpse.
They have taken this woman's dignity and humanity.
Allow her the peace she deserves.
usedtobedemgurl
(1,930 posts)More like a tv series....... Maybe something like A Hand male's Tale......since this actually happened in the show!!!!!!!
electric_blue68
(25,922 posts)S6 Episode #9 in about 2 hrs EDLSV Time!
usedtobedemgurl
(1,930 posts)Life imitates art more so, A Handmaids Tale and 1984 have become instruction manuals for some people.
electric_blue68
(25,922 posts)GiqueCee
(3,407 posts)... from a bloodthirsty horde of faux-Christian Republican sociopaths. Inflicting pain on those who have done nothing wrong gives them intense, perverted pleasure.
pandr32
(13,772 posts)There was an unmistakable back and forth. Each child was different and I got to know them while pregnant. I am sure that works both ways.
mopinko
(73,313 posts)how cd a baby develop normally like this? theres a complex interplay w the mother and her hormones.
Girard442
(6,820 posts)The deceased woman's body is probably continuously deteriorating. Who knows how long it can sustain a pregnancy?
pandr32
(13,772 posts)No mother's movements, emotions, or voice.
A machine womb could be programmed to provide some kind of feedback. Simulated or not, it'd be better than what this life-form is getting. This is state torture. If this process does end up delivering a child, it'll be a traumatized ghost from the moment of birth
Dixiegrrrl
(179 posts)Had no idea if that was usual or not, it was fascinating experience. 😊
pandr32
(13,772 posts)We also grow an extra litre of blood and our systems connect. I don't think we know the half of it, but the two are one in a very special way.
Your post reminded me of an interesting article I came across a while back.
Kleindorfer also studied the superb fairy wren, a songbird that weighs about as much as a walnut and sports a flirty, upright tail. Despite their fanciful names, fairy wrens are commonplace in Australia. They are socially monogamous but sexually promiscuousthey are essentially in open marriagesand they bring up their young collectively. Arguably, they have even more to chat about than geese do. Fairy-wren nests are about the size of cupped human hands, built to contain pale, speckled eggs that are smaller than thumbnails. Kleindorfer and her team wired up nests with cameras and microphones and soon discovered something that they hadn't known to look for. "The mothers in nests were producing an incubation calla call to the eggs," she told me. It was like a lullaby. Why would a mother bird make any sound that could attract predators to the nest? "Songbird embryos don't have well-developed ears, so this was completely unexpected," she said. "That started a twenty-year projectwhy is she calling to the eggs?"
The team compared incubation calls to the begging calls of young chicks. "It was very odd," Kleindorfer recalled. "Each nest had its own distinct begging call." What's more, each begging call matched an element from the mother's incubation call. This suggested, startlingly, that birds could learn a literal mother tongue while still in ovo. (Humans do this, too; French and German babies have distinct cries.) Even "foster" chicks, who as eggs were physically moved from one nest to another, learned begging calls from their foster mothers, rather than from their genetic mothers. This was big news in the ornithology world. "The paradigm of how songbirds learnafter hatching, from their father's songwas overthrown," she said. The same process was soon documented in more songbird species.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/21/how-scientists-started-to-decode-birdsong
Sonia Kleindorfer, is a biologist and bird ecologist and director of the Konrad Lorenz Research Center for Behavior and Cognition.
The article is behind a paywall, but I have the entire text if you are interested.
pandr32
(13,772 posts)Than you!
BurnDoubt
(1,469 posts)It will make Jesus Happy!!!! Sorry, Jesus. They have to drag your name through the dirt so they feel the "Righteous!". I think this was what He would have meant when He was quoted (400 years later) as saying would make Him puke. (Lukewarm Christians) The hypocrisy is beyond Belief. And the fiduciary penalties are positively Satanic. My everlasting sorrow for every Soul enduring this. Shame, Shame, Shame.
multigraincracker
(36,974 posts)the Bible is clear, the soul enters the body with the First Breath Of Life. Conception is never mentioned except for Mary.
spanone
(141,008 posts)GODDAMIT.
rickyhall
(5,506 posts)Iamscrewed
(486 posts)pansypoo53219
(22,883 posts)pandr32
(13,772 posts)BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)"Crucify the mother. Then take food support from the child. Heh heh." - G.O.P.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,369 posts)It's hideous and our stupid electorate is to blame. We all knew who the candidate was. They wanted this.
Watched 60 Minutes last night speak with billionaire inventor Palmer Luckey of Oculus fame. He spoke of his support for 47 and how the president is where the people are. That was so disheartening to hear. But it does explain how we became a dystopian hellscape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Luckey?wprov=sfla1
WarGamer
(18,249 posts)"She's pregnant with my grandson. But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he's born," Newkirk said. She has not said whether the family wants Smith removed from life support.
justaprogressive
(6,299 posts)That was after 62 days of Marlise being tethered, two machines tethered to a shaking bed in order to prevent bed sores as much as possible. Marlises father said that her body had gone from being supple to being hard, like a mannequin.
https://msmagazine.com/podcast/fifteen-minutes-of-feminism-dead-pregnant-and-imprisoned-in-georgia-the-adriana-smith-case/
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220324890 yesterday.
WarGamer
(18,249 posts)Joinfortmill
(20,060 posts)Mosby
(19,237 posts)And no one seems to care, including the doctors.
Kali
(56,623 posts)Holy fuck. That is sickening and so wrong. OMG
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)that caused the brain death. I think she's at 21 weeks now. They're planning to try to keep her like that on life support until 32 weeks.
Apparently the fetus is already showing signs of fluid in the brain, and could end up severely damaged.
Kali
(56,623 posts)Ghouls
justaprogressive
(6,299 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,498 posts)NNadir
(37,296 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,541 posts)Deuxcents
(25,501 posts)BumRushDaShow
(165,725 posts)a certain Senator from PA who we dub "Frothy" (Rick Santorum) made it a point to fight removal of the feeding tube of a woman who was born and raised in a suburban Philly township and was living in FL - Terry Schiavo - who had been declared "brain dead" and in "a persistent vegetative state".
By Alan K. Ota, CQ Staff
In 2005, Rick Santorum put himself in the center of the congressional debate over the fate of Terri Schiavo, a 41-year-old Florida woman who doctors said was in a persistent vegetative state after a brain injury suffered in 1990.
The goal of the second-term Pennsylvania Republican senator was to stop the removal of a feeding tube for someone whose cerebral cortex was largely gone, which Santorum depicted as close to equivalent of someone with the disease cerebral palsy.

ON THE SCENE: Santorum attends a vigil outside Schiavo's hospice in Florida two days before her death. (DAVID ADAME / EPA / NEWSCOM)
Proclaiming the issue to be the sanctity of life, he spoke with passion when he took the floor March 17, 2005, to plead for federal intervention to save an innocent woman sentenced to death by the Florida courts.
In the end, the controversy turned out very badly for congressional Republicans. Polls showed that most Americans, including a majority of Republicans, disapproved of Congress role in the case, a rebuke that contributed to Santorums 18-point defeat in the 2006 elections.
(snip)
When he ran for another term a year later, we sent him packing. He attempted to run for President in 2012 and that didn't go well.
The GOPers had battled including Jebby (who was governor) but she was finally laid to rest. This is what they do.
angrychair
(11,682 posts)I thought about referencing that case in my OP as well because some of the concepts are similar but in that case, at least, the husband and the courts were on the side of doctors and the hospital. Here the hospital is actually facilitating this nightmare and state government and the state courts have decided to torture this woman and her unborn fetus. What is happening to Adriana Smith's body and her family, is absolutely horrifying and it should be nightmare fuel for every woman, young or old, that lives in Georgia.
SheltieLover
(76,765 posts)Hotler
(13,735 posts)Autumn
(48,734 posts)angrychair
(11,682 posts)The fetus will not survive. That it's lived this long is a miracle.
Perfectly healthy and livingwoman can have unexpected complications. This is a dead person that is being forced to breath and have a heartbeat only through extraordinary means, which is not meant to keep a person's body functioning during a pregnancy.
What they are doing is desecrating a corpse and torturing that unborn fetus.
BidenRocks
(2,772 posts)What do you think of this? Could you straighten this up?
Amicus curiae means friend of the court. An amicus curiae brief is not filed by a party to an appeal. Rather, someone outside the case with an interest in its outcome will file one. An amicus curiae brief can be filed in both state and federal appellate courts.
Religion continues to be used for people control.
Anything you do is appreciated.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)This came out years ago. Families could invoke this on their loved ones behalf. As an American, tho, you have to make certain you put your wishes in writing. Personally I think a brain dead woman in her first trimester of pregnancy counts as someone for whom extraordinary measures should be waived. Too bad she was too young to have thought of making a will or giving someone her Durable Power of Attorney.
The mother of a friend of mine was a devout Catholic, and when she went into a nursing home had already made clear in writing that in the event of total incapacitation she wanted no feeding tubes, nothing but palliative hospice care. And so it was.
The Pope only has influence over his own flock, not the noxious American Evangelicals and their legislators. They dont listen to women I doubt theyd listen to any Pope.
Figarosmom
(9,745 posts)And unplug her. Too bad it's come to this and I can't believe it's gone on this long ready. 9 weeks...that's a loose mass of fluffy tissue.
area51
(12,570 posts)send the bill to the GA legislature.
Shipwack
(2,998 posts)When I die, they can't harvest any organs or study any part of my body unless I have given consent.
Even if it's a life-or-death situation for someone that needs my kidney if I say "no" they're not getting it.
A woman, on the other hand...
Hekate
(100,132 posts)Honestly, its not the real deal of pro-life fanaticism until Jesus Christ shows up on a trailer hitch.
Pardon my sarcasm. I truly feel for that poor dead woman and her family. This situation is hideous.
Martin68
(27,052 posts)Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Make them pay at least.