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H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
Wed May 28, 2025, 09:49 PM May 2025

My Thoughts While Mowing the Lawn

"In social science, in contrast to natural science, it seems that by the time one goes in search of empirical evidence, a favored theory has already been chosen, and evidence is being gathered not in order to test it but in order to confirm it.”
― Lee McIntyre, Dark Ages: The Case for a Science of Human Behavior


I've liked Joe Biden since I first became aware of him long ago. The more I learned about him, the more I hoped that he would be elected president. That's not to say that I've liked him more or longer than anyone else (****except those under the age of 50 per “longer”). But it's not a contest. I rank him high among American politicians, as a Senator, Vice President, and President.

I was excited when he ran in the Democratic presidential primaries in 1988. He ended up dropping out, though I thought the reason was baloney. Joe used to quote the politicians who inspired him in his youth: primarily Senator Robert Kennedy, as well as President Kennedy. At the end of a hard day's night from being on the trail, he used a Robert quote without crediting RFK. I think it was at the end of his third speech that day.

The thought that Joe Biden was a perfect man never crossed my mind. I don't expect to find any saints running for office. Being Irish, I know that a saint is just a dead sinner, having his/her life revised and edited. Joe Biden was a good man, as good a man and politician as the times produced. Like JFK and President Obama, he was the president we needed in rough times.

There is a book recently released by a journalist. Now, I am definitely not buying it. To be fair, I didn't buy the author's previous novels, “The Hellfire Club” or “The Devil May Dance.” I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm confident that on my death bed I won't be wringing my hands thinking,”I wish I had found the time to read 'The Hellfire club'.” I have never read anything this journalist wrote, and while I have seen him on television, there is nothing he has said or accomplished that has in any way altered my understanding of national or world events. I have more respect for Stormy Daniels than him.

I do, however, recognize that there is always a risk of “confirmation bias” on my part. Thus, in my presidential library, I have a lot of books about and by Richard Nixon. Lots about other republican villains. But that is a conscious choice, and confirmation bias is of the unconscious mind. For example, I like watching “true crime.” There is the re-trial of Karen Read going on now.

It's an interesting case. Did she kill her police officer boyfriend? Did others, including police? I don't know, because I wasn't there. When I first heard about the case, I thought she was likely guilty. As I watched the first trial, I thought “not guilty,” even though maybe she did. The more I watched, the more I thought she is likely innocent. But other people see it differently. And because the initial police investigation was so flawed, with more than a hint of corruption, the heat between the pro-prosecution and pro-defense sides, as found on the internet, is rising.

When an “expert witness” testifies, the pro-prosecution views it exactly opposite than the pro-defense. On internet sites, there are emotionally charged insults hurled at the opposition. There are relatively few people interested in meaningful discussion of the case or trial. I'm not much interested in arguing or insulting people I neither know or desire to interact with. I only plan to live to the age 125, and don't have ten seconds to waste on such nonsense.

I knew that a former DUer, who I haven't seen since about the time we switched candidates, had been saying that President Biden was too old to run again. Now, this brooklynite was intelligent, seemingly well-informed (I believe his spouse was/is a federal attorney.) He definitely traveled in very different social circles than me, more of a lace curtain type, versus my shanty, though he was not Irish.

I respected his intellect, and often enjoyed debating him. But I neither liked or disliked him. He didn't matter to me. He insulted one of my good friends here, so it made it much easier for me to know he was full of it. My confirmation bias and I agreed that President Biden was in outstanding shape for a man his age. Then I saw coverage of the Juneteenth celebration.

Next came the debate. And the next thing you know, all my family and friends were talking about the possibility of him stepping aside. None of them that thought that had been hoodwinked by Russians or republicans. It was what they thought based entirely on what they saw for themselves. Now, I like VP Harris, but at first I was opposed to Joe Biden stepping aside. A good DU friend and I spoke about how we wanted Biden to be our candidate.

But of course he stepped down. I fully supported VP Harris. The more I thought about it, the more I came to accept that President Biden had been too old. Being president takes a toll on all those (except one) who hold the office. It would be cruel for me to have wanted him to run and serve another term, though it is not certain he could have won in 2024.

It would be stupid of me to pretend he wasn't old. This is the only time I care to discuss it. Joe Biden is not the issue for the mid-terms, or 2028. And if, like me, you only plan to 125, I suggest that you don't have time to waste on this, either.

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My Thoughts While Mowing the Lawn (Original Post) H2O Man May 2025 OP
I'll not waste my time either dweller May 2025 #1
Very good! H2O Man May 2025 #3
Dang, H2O Man, you have done it again Easterncedar May 2025 #2
Thank you! H2O Man May 2025 #4
Another good piece. I do miss Brooklynite's input and think we eat our own too often. Silent Type May 2025 #5
Right. H2O Man May 2025 #6
Thx as always, H2O Man Hekate May 2025 #7
Thank you. H2O Man May 2025 #8
Thank you. Totally agree. A good man and he deserves lasting gratitude for the incredible work he did cleaning up EverHopeful May 2025 #9
Thanks! H2O Man May 2025 #15
I've always liked Joe Biden. He is a good man, and his presidential administration was among the best Martin Eden May 2025 #10
Exactly! H2O Man May 2025 #17
Very much appreciate that history, and the analogy! Martin Eden May 2025 #19
Great post! We need to keep SalviaBlue May 2025 #11
Thank you! H2O Man May 2025 #20
Agree. I just hate the way it went down. Patton French May 2025 #12
Thanks! H2O Man May 2025 #21
Good essay, and good points. yardwork May 2025 #13
Thank you. H2O Man May 2025 #22
Have you heard Joe Biden read the poem by Seamus Heaney? yardwork May 2025 #23
Yes! H2O Man May 2025 #27
Biden reminds us that there is good in humans. yardwork May 2025 #31
I have never spent a single moment Saoirse9 May 2025 #14
I remember when H2O Man May 2025 #24
K&R spanone May 2025 #16
Thank you. H2O Man May 2025 #25
K and R senseandsensibility May 2025 #18
Thanks! H2O Man May 2025 #26
I agree that Joe Biden was unfairly railroaded out of the 1988 race... Jack Valentino May 2025 #28
You are right! H2O Man May 2025 #29
Heh! That's funny... thanks Jack Valentino May 2025 #30

dweller

(27,776 posts)
1. I'll not waste my time either
Wed May 28, 2025, 10:05 PM
May 2025

But I did see an ad here in NC from Richard Hudson (R-pig) on tv tonite , where he was tearing into President Biden … and now I want to support any D who will challenge him in 2026 even though he’s not in my district.
That jackass jumped on the bash Biden bandwagon so fast and needs an equivalent of a political cold mackerel smacked upside his smarmy face, and soon .

Hoping for a spry 75 myself,

✌🏻

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
3. Very good!
Wed May 28, 2025, 10:11 PM
May 2025

Although she is from another district, I will invest in Elise Stefanik's opposition. I think there is a good Democrat planning to run against her. Early on, she voted against the felon, and now, she kisses his ass.

Easterncedar

(5,417 posts)
2. Dang, H2O Man, you have done it again
Wed May 28, 2025, 10:08 PM
May 2025

Solid, sensible, admirable writing, wise as always.

I think Biden was a truly great President. And a very good man.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
4. Thank you!
Wed May 28, 2025, 10:15 PM
May 2025

President Biden led this country in a rough time. And he was bringing stability to a country that the last president had damaged. I have a very high opinion of him.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
6. Right.
Wed May 28, 2025, 11:19 PM
May 2025

I recognized he represented an important part of the Democratic Party. He added to this community. I figured he might have gotten a job that took him away from DU.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
7. Thx as always, H2O Man
Wed May 28, 2025, 11:28 PM
May 2025

I’m out of things to say, but your posts are always uplifting 🦋

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
8. Thank you.
Wed May 28, 2025, 11:33 PM
May 2025

This essay was a bit long, but with all the rain in rural, upstate New York, the grass was so high that it took longer than usual to mow it. (That, or perhaps it will continue to take longer as I grow older!)

EverHopeful

(638 posts)
9. Thank you. Totally agree. A good man and he deserves lasting gratitude for the incredible work he did cleaning up
Thu May 29, 2025, 12:59 AM
May 2025

the mess left by the previous and current horror.

In the spirit of open mindedness, I did try to read John Bolton's recent book but when he said "Reagan was the best President ever" l had to quit for the sake of my blood pressure.

And thanks for the 125 suggestion. I've been aiming for 120 but will up my goal🙂

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
15. Thanks!
Thu May 29, 2025, 05:33 PM
May 2025

There were times when he was in the Senate that I disagreed with him. Sometimes strongly so. Perhaps it was the synergy of his growth as a politician, and my becoming a tad more open-minded as I aged, that I appreciate his entire career more and more.

The 2028 presidential election will not be about President Biden, it will be about the dead chicken hanging around the republican dog's neck, the sex offender/felon, and the candidates will debate his legacy.

Martin Eden

(15,314 posts)
10. I've always liked Joe Biden. He is a good man, and his presidential administration was among the best
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:04 AM
May 2025

America is currently in a fight for its life, not against a foreign foe but from a domestic enemy within. Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country. The Fourth Estate has a special responsibility to inform the public on matters that affect the health and safety of ourselves and our Constitutional democracy.

The new book by the unnamed "journalist" serves that purpose not at all. It is a self aggrandizing recrimination against a very successful administration, and distracts our attention from urgent matters at hand. The content of the book interests me not at all.

As you said, H20 Man, even saints were not perfect human beings. This certainly applies to politicians as well. Since October of 2002, in Democratic primaries I vowed never to vote for anyone who supported or signed onto the Iraq War Resolution which gave GW Bush a free hand to invade Iraq. This included Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry. It especially grieved me that Kerry, who rose to prominence as a Vietnam veteran against that war, voted for the IWR. I have, of course, voted D in every general election.

In the 2020 Democratic primary I broke my vow, and voted for Joe Biden because I believed he gave us our best chance to defeat the orange monster defiling the Oval Office. At that time I was somewhat concerned about Joe's age, but I knew he'd have a great supporting cast.

Despite the success of his presidency, I sincerely hoped he would not run for a 2nd term at the end of which he would be 86 years old. Then the fateful debate happened. If responsible journalism prevailed, the bigger storyline would not be Joe's stumbles but the litany of bold faced LIES spewed by his opponent -- which would be absolutely disqualifying for any voters not preconditioned by the insipid infotainment and propaganda that passes for "news" these days.

And so, here we are. There are lessons to be learned, and distractions to be rejected. All that matters is winning the fight we are in now, always with an eye towards securing a better future.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
17. Exactly!
Thu May 29, 2025, 05:50 PM
May 2025

Well said! Thank you.

When I was preparing to enter the ring against a dangerous opponent, I needed to be 100% focused on that fight. I avoided the chance of encountering any distraction -- especially if it was from my opponent's camp. For example, Sonny Liston thought that Cassius Clay was a giggle. I used to talk to Rubin about this. Cassius called Sonny the Big Ugly Bear, and since Rubin beat a half-dozen of Clay's sparring partners, Cassius called him the Ugly Little Bear.

Sonny, unlike Rubin, thought that was funny. He really liked Cassius. Thus, he let Cassius visit his training camp as they prepared for their fight. Clay's antics drew a wider media, which is always good for ticket sales. The two had even done an act previously, in a casino, all in good fun unless one believed the media and those in the casino.

But then late one night, Cassius drove his van "Big Red" (named after Malcolm) and caused a neighborhood scene. This was too far. Liston was furious. He raced out onto his lawn, hoping to engage in a street fight. Though Ali became the greatest heavyweight champion, no one could fight Sonny without rules. Years before, he had broken an arm of a cop trying to arrest him, and stuffed the guy upside down in a garbage can.

But Cassius had gotten into Sonny's head. Liston was distracted. Had he simply called the police while he stayed inside, he could have gotten into Clay's head.

That's my long way of saying I agree with you. We are in a real fight, a tough fight. We need to be our best selves.

Martin Eden

(15,314 posts)
19. Very much appreciate that history, and the analogy!
Thu May 29, 2025, 06:18 PM
May 2025

I feel privileged to hear an inside account from Rubin through you.

SalviaBlue

(3,105 posts)
11. Great post! We need to keep
Thu May 29, 2025, 09:56 AM
May 2025

Our eyes on the ball. All this ruminating about what Joe Biden did or did not do is distraction.

Rec.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
20. Thank you!
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:25 PM
May 2025

Much appreciated.

If all the republicans have has to do with President Biden, they will pay a steep price in upcoming elections. People will remember that he was making things better -- a little better, all the time as Paul once sang. And under this sociopath, as John chimed in, things coudn't get much worse.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
21. Thanks!
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:32 PM
May 2025

I'm not happy with the way it went. Not all all.

The way I deal with that is by not trying to find anyone to blame, from those closest to President Biden to Democrats at the grass roots. I don't know anyone that was happy with it. But it is part of history, and Joe Biden served this country in an honorable way.

yardwork

(68,884 posts)
13. Good essay, and good points.
Thu May 29, 2025, 10:09 AM
May 2025

I came to like Joe Biden much later than you. I didn't particularly like his behavior during the Clarence Thomas hearings.

I came to appreciate Joe Biden very much while he served as President Obama's VP. The man's humility, kindness and integrity shone. As a white person, I have seen how often whites try to dominate their Black colleagues. I think a lot of white voters assumed that Biden would do that as VP. He didn't. There was never a hint of it. In fact, he seemed to enjoy playing the comic to Obama's straight guy. Huge admiration from me.

As president, Biden did a lot of important things, and to me the single most important thing he did was to begin to reverse Reaganomics. He was turning the tide. He was starting to reverse the flow of money from the wealthy back toward all the workers.

I think that's why all the billionaires who own the media stopped him.

Best president of my lifetime so far, which began with Eisenhower.

I've never said this about a politician before and likely never will again. I love Joe Biden.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
22. Thank you.
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:42 PM
May 2025

He had some baggage as a Senator. No question about that. The Clarence T hearings was certainly up there.

We are all creatures of our generation. We tend to bring some of it with us at every point in our cycle here. I know that my children had identified some of that with me ..... some annoying, some an easy target for the high levels of mocking every holiday brings. This might sound odd, but Joe Biden always reminded me of a blind of the Irish characteristics I saw in my uncles. Add my grandfather's cousin, who I met when he was 90 and liked Joe Biden. Even as president, I viewed him in human terms.

There is no way for me to view the current guy as human. He lacks the qualities of a good potential. What a waste of a life time.

yardwork

(68,884 posts)
23. Have you heard Joe Biden read the poem by Seamus Heaney?
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:54 PM
May 2025
https://m.


They played it on Irish TV when he was elected in 2020.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
27. Yes!
Thu May 29, 2025, 09:13 PM
May 2025

I still have a lot of family in Ireland. We remain in touch on a number of issues. We are all proud of Joe Biden, and view him along with President Kennedy with great pride.

yardwork

(68,884 posts)
31. Biden reminds us that there is good in humans.
Fri May 30, 2025, 07:54 AM
May 2025

We were so fortunate to have him as our leader at a crucial time.

Saoirse9

(3,917 posts)
14. I have never spent a single moment
Thu May 29, 2025, 10:45 AM
May 2025

wondering whether Biden was too old. I recognize that reporter's attempt to smear him for what it is.

Joe would have been fine in a second term and I do still believe he could have won. But history says otherwise.

I think that reporter was okay during the GWB presidency. I remember liking him back then. But now I can see that he's up for grabs from the highest bidder.

I have never bought any of his books and won't start now, certainly.

Just as FDR did, Biden could have muddled along in a second term. He had a great team around him and very supportive family. Sure he was old and the constant public appearances wore him down. But I will not start believing conspiracy theories about him now, unless he comes out and says himself, that he was not in control.

I love the guy. Even if he ran now, I would support him.

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
24. I remember when
Thu May 29, 2025, 08:57 PM
May 2025

talk about it started catching on. We would talk quite frequently, which always made me feel better. We'd ask each other, "What do you think?" It did me good to hear my sister saying she was a 100% loyal Biden supporter.

I did start wondering when the one fellow was posting here that President Biden was too old. Now, there's a saying in boxing about a fighter getting old in the ring. But, as the great champion Bernard Hopkins pointed out, a boxer gets old in training camp, before getting old in the ring.

My opinion of him will remain constant. And one of the things that I admire about you is that you are loyal to President Biden.

If I run into Bernard next month, I will ask him if it is okay for you or I to deliver a hard left hook to the right jaw of anyone who speaks ill of Joe Biden in front of us. I'll keep you updated.

senseandsensibility

(24,205 posts)
18. K and R
Thu May 29, 2025, 06:06 PM
May 2025

Good observations during your lawn mowing, I must say. Incidentally, I haven't heard anything from brooklynite for a while. Is he still around?

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
26. Thanks!
Thu May 29, 2025, 09:10 PM
May 2025

I tend to write outlines in my mind while washing dishes and doing laundry, too. Then I have them on file if I am posting here, or talking to some group that couldn't locate a decent speaker. But!!! I have learned not to do this when preparing a meal, or driving. So thank you for making me laugh when remembering writing some things! (grin)

I noticed a point last summer when, as far as I knew, brooklynite stopped posting. While I could miss a post or two, but I had started looking for him. I was not happy when he insulted a good friend, over and over, regarding differing opinions on Gaza. In my opinion, I think open and honest conversations on important issues are a good thing. I don't get upset because someone thinks differently than do I. And he was good for that on a lot of issues.

Jack Valentino

(4,251 posts)
28. I agree that Joe Biden was unfairly railroaded out of the 1988 race...
Thu May 29, 2025, 09:52 PM
May 2025

However, you are misremembering the details--- the politician he had quote was a British Labor party member,
whom he had been quoting regularly and properly attributing the quote---
and the whole brouha was about the time when he again made the quote,
but in this one instance forgot to give attribution....


And yeah--- President Biden was probably too old for 2024,
but no party has successfully elected a new candidate
after failing to renominate their living incumbent president,
in about 100 years.... so it is quite natural that he would run again,
and that loyal party members like you and I would support his campaign!


Now all the 20-20 hindsight vision about whether he should have withdrawn,
and certain journalists and others trying to profit from that supposition is meaningless BULLSHIT---

It is water under the bridge, and misdirection, and irrelevant under the current circumstances...
and irresponsible wasted journalistic effort, considering what faces us now!


Instead of trying to create a scandal over whether the former leader "should have or shouldn't have",
they should be relentlessly exposing the current emperor, who is trying to become our immortal king
while setting fire to Rome at the same time...

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
29. You are right!
Thu May 29, 2025, 10:23 PM
May 2025

It was Kinnock. Thank you!

He had credited Kinnock before, but failed to twice during the campaign. Then people piled on about his previous use of RFK, JFK, and HHH in the past.

There is a story in one of my biographies about Dr. King I liked. Ralph Abernathy recognized a section of one of King's speeches as coming from a minister a century earlier, if I remember correctly. He said something to Martin about it, and King responded that young ministers borrow from the old ministers, and mature ministers steal outright.

Jack Valentino

(4,251 posts)
30. Heh! That's funny... thanks
Thu May 29, 2025, 10:26 PM
May 2025

I was backing Joe Biden for the 1988 nomination, after Hart, whom I supported in 1984, had his debacle....
so I was behind Joe when he withdrew. At that point I began to think my support was 'the kiss of death'. LOL

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