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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo Be Clear - Everyone's Healthcare Will Be Affected
It isn't just going to be millions of people thrown off Medicaid.
It isn't just going to be millions of people who won't be able to afford Obamacare.
What will hospitals and doctors do when people start showing up with no insurance and with no means to pay their bills? Will they eat the costs? How long can they survive doing that?
People who have good insurance are going to see their premiums and deductibles skyrocket.
This Big Ugly Death Bill is going to affect way more than 14.7 million people.
Dems should have been doing Town halls with actual people in the audience, telling their stories about how this awful Bill will devastate their lives.
Time Matters.
k_buddy762
(638 posts)every year for 20 years.
gab13by13
(31,178 posts)k_buddy762
(638 posts)Slow and steady increase basically annually. Oct 2024 they basically doubled.
progree
(12,727 posts)Do you have one of those Christian ministry types of health share plans?
Or ACA?
Or employer insurance where the employer decided not to pay much of an increase, causing the dollar amount of the employee share to jump?
ETA - or a change of circumstances resulting in a change of insurers or type of insurance?
k_buddy762
(638 posts)Their share of the premium went up and so did mine. Substantially.
BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)no one will escape the Hellish wrath of Felon Krasnov,
the korrupt KGOP Klawbacker
AllaN01Bear
(28,592 posts)then have our children inherit our debt as was done in days of old . sorry, when we croak , we croak . our kids dont own our debt.
AllaN01Bear
(28,592 posts)gab13by13
(31,178 posts)Fired federal workers told their personal stories. The show was riveting.
SignalGate and NLRB Gate have been swept under the rug. Just imagine if Democrats had held a town hall specifically about our national security with Malcolm Nance as a moderator.
Guests could tell their personal stories. Guests who deal in cyber security, military people like General Mattis telling his personal story.
What do we have instead? Russia was given user names and passwords to our government agencies by the cyber punks.
dalton99a
(92,076 posts)jonstl08
(539 posts)Right now my companies insurance charges the same for everybody regardless of whether they have a preexisting conditions such as me with Diabetes. Think that is the law right now but feel in October when open enrollment comes along I will be charges more for having a preexisting condition. This would definitely hurt financially.
NewEnglandAutumn
(262 posts)United Healthcare policies for retirees are already not being taken at many local hospitals and Dr offices because of poor reimbursement rates. This has a lot of people scrambling to find doctors and they cant. Many can now not get the prescriptions they need because they dont have doctors. The downward spiral is just starting but is already causing big problems
Stargazer99
(3,440 posts)RobinA
(10,467 posts)Has been known for years for not paying on time.
LauraInLA
(2,248 posts)nor my gynecologist would accept them because of poor reimbursement rates. My pulmonary said he did a full physical with bloodwork on a patient, and UH wanted to pay $99. PS This was in Los Angeles.
FakeNoose
(40,147 posts)I say that because they collect the chips from the customers when they're healthy, and they're also the ones who decide not to pay out to the doctors, clinics and hospitals. They always pay themselves first.
Meanwhile hospitals have to pay their employees and buy supplies to keep going. Why should they be forced to send debt collectors to UHC to get paid? I don't blame them for not accepting the UHC policy holders as patients.
Johonny
(25,415 posts)Health care providers close up shop.
Post Obama Care saw a boom in health care clinics around me. Stealing 600 to 700 million from the health care system will almost certainly affect the bottom line of health care providers.
mopinko
(73,307 posts)how many good jobs it created.
Unwind Your Mind
(2,321 posts)Remember Norman Goldman? Every month he would dive into the details of the job report, types of jobs, numbers. I remember during the early years of the ACA, the health care jobs were outpacing every other sector. I miss Norm
live love laugh
(16,187 posts)Wounded Bear
(63,828 posts)Response to gab13by13 (Original post)
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DemMedic
(567 posts)Medicare and Medicaid make up 56% of our payer mix.
Rebl2
(17,398 posts)a specialist I go to that hasnt taken Medicaid in several years. I think when the practice was with a hospital group, they did or maybe had special clinics for those with Medicaid. Once they separated from that hospital group, they quit taking Medicaid.
mopinko
(73,307 posts)if u dont think there r already long waits for healthcare here, think again.
ive been in a long running bullshit trip through the medical industrial complex that already nearly killed me. even w an er referral, it was a month long wait to see a doc. i had to wait 2 months for badly needed colonoscopy. got rescheduled several times, for reasons that shd have been a clue to the problem, but wasnt. ended up taking 6 mos.
when they finally decided it wasnt in my head, that i needed surgery, the wait was 2 mos. ended up being emergency surgery, in the middle of the night, w no prep.
several issues showed up on cts that i wd have thought were red flags requiring attention. but no. been trying to get those issues checked out b4 follow up surgery. next available appt? october. w a poorly rated family doc. w an internist? december. and boy howdy do i hate the next available doc. either the worst in the system, or wet behind the ears.
the system that i was in lost a ton of docs during the plague. every 1 i saw after was under 40.
ended up in the best hospital in the city. almost all the nurses had less than 2 yrs in. the er nurses were better, but the only grey hair i saw on the floor was a bitter, nasty woman who should have retired.
want to stress this is 1 of the top rated hospitals in the country.
so what happens now? already short. if u were an immigrant, wd u risk coming here?
this is in chgo, w a huge concentration of great hospitals and docs. good luck red states.
no_hypocrisy
(54,248 posts)Association would have been more public in criticism.
Wicked Blue
(8,439 posts)except for a small number to fix the plumbing, etc.
erronis
(22,650 posts)I've always thought people should be paid by how much good they do for society. Teachers, healthcare workers, garbage collectors - top pay. Politicians, lawyers, con artists - negative pay.
Lucky Luciano
(11,813 posts)ananda
(34,393 posts)and that will happen in the not too distant future.
The shit will hit the fan then... but will it be too late?
Kid Berwyn
(22,890 posts)You better believe it, depending on what King Putin wants!
pinkstarburst
(1,874 posts)Hospitals are already struggling in those areas and will likely close if this bill passes. Will rural (mostly red) voters and red states be smart enough to vote blue in the midterms and in 2028 in order to get their healthcare restored? Good question. I kind of doubt it, but we'll see how much pain they're willing to take. Having to drive 2 hours to go to the doctor, only to be told they aren't taking new patients and they aren't accepting insurances that don't reimburse well (Medicaid, Medicare, United) is going to sting.
For urban areas, it's going to suck, too. I would imagine we'll see lots more practices that will greatly limit who they will take as patients. I'm guessing we may see ERs only doing the bare minimum to stabilize someone before discharging them.
It's really going to hit republicans hardest if this bill goes through.
gab13by13
(31,178 posts)to Pittsburgh.
I had my ablation done at UPMC, had my knee replacement done at UPMC, had my foot neuropathy tested at UPMC.
I now have a UPMC cardiologist, a UPMC orthopedic doctor.
In a few years, wife and I will move in with my daughter outside of Pittsburgh.
pinkstarburst
(1,874 posts)I live in a solidly blue urban city with over a million people in Texas. We're seeing more and more difficulty finding specialists here. We're seeing more difficulties finding PCPs here. Long waits, even if you have good insurance. This seems to be mainly a problem caused by so many people moving to the state/area (we have a huge number of people moving here and it's straining infrastructure but the healthcare stuff going on right now definitely has me worried because there already aren't enough doctors to go around.) In certain specialties where it's already incredibly hard to get in as a new patient, some of the very few doctors in that specialty are switching over to a cash only model ( $800 per office visit, $200 per prior auth or prescription you want her to write), exacerbating the problem. This definitely is going to be felt by everyone.
Blue Full Moon
(3,147 posts)Auggie
(32,879 posts)Local hospital, in a fairly affluent part of Northern California, has expressed this very warning. Won't be able to keep the dogs open with fewer Medicaid patients.
patphil
(8,723 posts)Hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, in-home healthcare, doctors, nurses, and all other medical support personnel will be adversely affected due to this bill.
Not to mention all the non-medical support staff.
They're all going to be damaged financially by this horrible bill.
Without insurance, people won't get medical treatment. Rural areas will get hit the hardest, as medical deserts expand in size all over the United States.
This "big beautiful bill" will kill 10's of thousands of people each year, and cost even larger numbers of people to lose their jobs.
All so the rich can get richer.
I guess it's a small price to pay to insure they live like royalty while so many of us suffer.
Ol Janx Spirit
(692 posts)...does not seem to resonate anymore with the electorate. They were warned about this time and time again by Biden, Harris, et al. It seemingly meant nothing--along with the threat to Democracy, etc., etc.
The only thing that resonates with people is when they actually feel the pain of the thing happening that they were warned about. Yes, America is a four-year-old that just has to find out for itself that sticking that metal object into the light socket will shock it....
Democrats need to get very good at the political three step: tell people what will happen if they vote for Republicans; remind people that they told them it would happen before they voted for Republicans and it happened; fulfill the promise to undo the thing that happened when they voted for Republicans thinking the thing would never happen.
Democrats must also STOP talking in numbers and statistics. It is supposed to support their point and make it more credible, but average voters--and maybe most voters--just glaze over when they hear it. And, to your original point: telling people that 14.7 million people will lose their healthcare is actually wholly inaccurate. It will affect everyone's healthcare. How about Democrats just say THAT instead.
erronis
(22,650 posts)aren't about to let this type of information seep into their little brains.
Jkanad
(36 posts)the repubs keep blaming the Dems when things go wrong, e.g., its Bidens fault. And the cult believes this.
NH Ethylene
(31,289 posts)Seinan Sensei
(1,358 posts)Should be required to have Obama-Care insurance
No more, no less.
It shoulda be illegal for elected representatives to add-on any other insurance to take up the slack.
Obama-care.
Period.
1) Then they would value Obamacare.
They wouldnt try to replace Obamacare.
2) if Obama care is insufficient, then they can go somewhere else.
And keep their greedy-ass out of political office.
Boom.
A self-selecting process.
subterranean
(3,745 posts)Unlike all other Federal employees, they are required by law to get their insurance through the ACA marketplace. However, they do get extra subsidies that are unavailable to the rest of us, so they can afford a Gold plan.
lovesfruit
(26 posts)If more rural hospitals close, it will affect suburban and urban hospitals too, as rural folks are forced to go to cities for care.
We have a lot of large hospitals where I live (suburban area around KC), and theyre already struggling to accommodate patients in the ER.
My husband was boarded in the ER for nearly 20 hours after being admitted to inpatient care. There were no beds. And talking to the ER staff, this is not a new issue.
There were many patients being treated in the halls, for hours and hours. We were lucky my husband (a cancer patient) had gotten the last private ER room.
I would have thought this was an issue with this specific hospital had the same problem not occurred to a friend a few weeks earlier at a different major hospital in our area.
While my guess is the ER-boarding / lack of beds is more of a post-Covid issue (health care workersfeel free to chime in!), it certainly wont be helped by rural hospital closures.
czarjak
(13,437 posts)W said: "Faith-based organizations will step forward to fill the void."
And, we all know a Republican wouldn't lie!
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,327 posts)Faith based Jesus salesmen speaking in tongues and laying hands on me triggering the living fuck out of my ptsd when I am desperate and need help or in a crisis. There is a very good chance I would go feral fast.
Fuck the corporation of Christ. Christianity is a bane upon this earth.
orangecrush
(28,282 posts)JT45242
(3,829 posts)So here in Joni Hearse's Iowa, many people will have to drive 2-6 hours to Iowa city, cedar rapids, or des Moines.
Many will die needlessly while trying to get to the nearest capable hospital.
The Iowa City-Cedar Rapids corridor already doesn't have enough doctors .. especially specialists like neurology. Think of how many more stroke patients won't get that drug that prevents permanent damage. Cardiologist, nephrology, oncologist all fleeing the state.
I did not even bother to mention Ob/Gyn because that's already a pitiful state designed to kill women.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)are the ones that have go to a dentist or oral surgeon.......Neither are covered by even normal health insurance. These two groups can charge whatever they want, (and will)...........
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,327 posts)Be a human right. My teeth are failing forming cracks, get them pulled out I didnt have fluoridated water growing up so my teeth are weak one side has been worn down faster than the other and my bite is very very deep so my jaw is crooked. I will never be able to get this fixed and I am running out of teeth. Than dentures on SSI disability haahAhHahhaaa.