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gab13by13

(31,178 posts)
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 07:58 AM Jun 2025

To Be Clear - Everyone's Healthcare Will Be Affected

It isn't just going to be millions of people thrown off Medicaid.
It isn't just going to be millions of people who won't be able to afford Obamacare.

What will hospitals and doctors do when people start showing up with no insurance and with no means to pay their bills? Will they eat the costs? How long can they survive doing that?

People who have good insurance are going to see their premiums and deductibles skyrocket.

This Big Ugly Death Bill is going to affect way more than 14.7 million people.

Dems should have been doing Town halls with actual people in the audience, telling their stories about how this awful Bill will devastate their lives.

Time Matters.

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To Be Clear - Everyone's Healthcare Will Be Affected (Original Post) gab13by13 Jun 2025 OP
My premiums have gone up k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #1
Skyrocket up? gab13by13 Jun 2025 #29
Not until last year. k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #35
My Medicare Part B increased 5.90% while my Medicare Supplement increased 6.58%. progree Jun 2025 #50
Employer provided k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #52
k and r BoRaGard Jun 2025 #2
yes , that is what they want us to do, go bankrupt so they can soak us more . AllaN01Bear Jun 2025 #3
ps these " town halls " are shams . AllaN01Bear Jun 2025 #4
Did you watch the MSNBC town hall? gab13by13 Jun 2025 #30
Yep. dalton99a Jun 2025 #5
Preexisting conditions jonstl08 Jun 2025 #6
It is already happening NewEnglandAutumn Jun 2025 #7
Another FAILURE of capitalism-must improve profits every year and the common man can be raided Stargazer99 Jun 2025 #12
United Healthcare RobinA Jun 2025 #28
It's not just retirees, either. We had UH a couple of years ago (not as seniors) and neither my pulmonologist LauraInLA Jun 2025 #36
It's a pyramid scheme and UHC is at the top of the pyramid FakeNoose Jun 2025 #40
It will almost certainly make certain rural Johonny Jun 2025 #8
the best kept secret of the aca was mopinko Jun 2025 #15
Absolutely Unwind Your Mind Jun 2025 #47
Doctors everywhere will exit the profession in droves, live love laugh Jun 2025 #17
Absolutely...nt Wounded Bear Jun 2025 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author 3Hotdogs Jun 2025 #10
I run a 911 Ambulance service in Bucks County PA DemMedic Jun 2025 #11
I have Rebl2 Jun 2025 #13
will they "deport" docs and nurses? it's already bad enough. mopinko Jun 2025 #14
I would have guessed The American Medical no_hypocrisy Jun 2025 #16
Corpo World wants to kill almost all of us Wicked Blue Jun 2025 #18
I can imagine the remaining plumbers will bill more than top lawyers erronis Jun 2025 #25
Imagine the cutthroat backstabbing to become a teacher in that scenario! Lucky Luciano Jun 2025 #33
And wait till the kids start dropping... ananda Jun 2025 #19
Taco Boy wouldn't do that to us, would he? Kid Berwyn Jun 2025 #20
This will hit rural areas especially hard pinkstarburst Jun 2025 #21
I have been switching my doctors and hospitals from rural Pa. gab13by13 Jun 2025 #31
We're seeing more and more doctors here pinkstarburst Jun 2025 #38
Offices, medical centers and hospitals will close Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #22
THIS Auggie Jun 2025 #32
And everyone in the medical industry will be affected. patphil Jun 2025 #23
It is truly unfortunate that telling people what is going to happen... Ol Janx Spirit Jun 2025 #24
Democrats can talk their faces blue but if the people aren't watching it doesn't help. And fux/RW media erronis Jun 2025 #27
All you've stated is true but ... Jkanad Jun 2025 #39
Repetition is what they do and what we don't do and should. n/t NH Ethylene Jun 2025 #43
Every federally elected official Seinan Sensei Jun 2025 #26
Congress members actually do have "Obamacare." subterranean Jun 2025 #41
If more rural hospitals close lovesfruit Jun 2025 #34
Not to worry. czarjak Jun 2025 #37
That's all I need I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2025 #48
Bullseye orangecrush Jun 2025 #42
It will cause at least 75% of rural hospital to close JT45242 Jun 2025 #44
The ones that are also gonna suffer "bigly" DENVERPOPS Jun 2025 #45
Dentistry should I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2025 #49
Bad built butchering bill. /nt Festivito Jun 2025 #46
It will be the death knell for rural hospitals. Scrivener7 Jun 2025 #51
 

k_buddy762

(638 posts)
35. Not until last year.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:09 PM
Jun 2025

Slow and steady increase basically annually. Oct 2024 they basically doubled.

progree

(12,727 posts)
50. My Medicare Part B increased 5.90% while my Medicare Supplement increased 6.58%.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 02:17 AM
Jun 2025

Do you have one of those Christian ministry types of health share plans?
Or ACA?
Or employer insurance where the employer decided not to pay much of an increase, causing the dollar amount of the employee share to jump?
ETA - or a change of circumstances resulting in a change of insurers or type of insurance?

Slow and steady increase basically annually. Oct 2024 they basically doubled.

AllaN01Bear

(28,592 posts)
3. yes , that is what they want us to do, go bankrupt so they can soak us more .
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:07 AM
Jun 2025

then have our children inherit our debt as was done in days of old . sorry, when we croak , we croak . our kids dont own our debt.

gab13by13

(31,178 posts)
30. Did you watch the MSNBC town hall?
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:51 AM
Jun 2025

Fired federal workers told their personal stories. The show was riveting.

SignalGate and NLRB Gate have been swept under the rug. Just imagine if Democrats had held a town hall specifically about our national security with Malcolm Nance as a moderator.

Guests could tell their personal stories. Guests who deal in cyber security, military people like General Mattis telling his personal story.

What do we have instead? Russia was given user names and passwords to our government agencies by the cyber punks.

jonstl08

(539 posts)
6. Preexisting conditions
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:39 AM
Jun 2025

Right now my companies insurance charges the same for everybody regardless of whether they have a preexisting conditions such as me with Diabetes. Think that is the law right now but feel in October when open enrollment comes along I will be charges more for having a preexisting condition. This would definitely hurt financially.

NewEnglandAutumn

(262 posts)
7. It is already happening
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:55 AM
Jun 2025

United Healthcare policies for retirees are already not being taken at many local hospitals and Dr offices because of poor reimbursement rates. This has a lot of people scrambling to find doctors and they can’t. Many can now not get the prescriptions they need because they don’t have doctors. The downward spiral is just starting but is already causing big problems

Stargazer99

(3,440 posts)
12. Another FAILURE of capitalism-must improve profits every year and the common man can be raided
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:26 AM
Jun 2025

LauraInLA

(2,248 posts)
36. It's not just retirees, either. We had UH a couple of years ago (not as seniors) and neither my pulmonologist
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:15 PM
Jun 2025

nor my gynecologist would accept them because of poor reimbursement rates. My pulmonary said he did a full physical with bloodwork on a patient, and UH wanted to pay $99. PS This was in Los Angeles.

FakeNoose

(40,147 posts)
40. It's a pyramid scheme and UHC is at the top of the pyramid
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 02:54 PM
Jun 2025

I say that because they collect the chips from the customers when they're healthy, and they're also the ones who decide not to pay out to the doctors, clinics and hospitals. They always pay themselves first.

Meanwhile hospitals have to pay their employees and buy supplies to keep going. Why should they be forced to send debt collectors to UHC to get paid? I don't blame them for not accepting the UHC policy holders as patients.

Johonny

(25,415 posts)
8. It will almost certainly make certain rural
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:57 AM
Jun 2025

Health care providers close up shop.

Post Obama Care saw a boom in health care clinics around me. Stealing 600 to 700 million from the health care system will almost certainly affect the bottom line of health care providers.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,321 posts)
47. Absolutely
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 11:28 PM
Jun 2025

Remember Norman Goldman? Every month he would dive into the details of the job report, types of jobs, numbers. I remember during the early years of the ACA, the health care jobs were outpacing every other sector. I miss Norm…

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

DemMedic

(567 posts)
11. I run a 911 Ambulance service in Bucks County PA
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:22 AM
Jun 2025

Medicare and Medicaid make up 56% of our payer mix.

Rebl2

(17,398 posts)
13. I have
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:30 AM
Jun 2025

a specialist I go to that hasn’t taken Medicaid in several years. I think when the practice was with a hospital group, they did or maybe had special clinics for those with Medicaid. Once they separated from that hospital group, they quit taking Medicaid.

mopinko

(73,307 posts)
14. will they "deport" docs and nurses? it's already bad enough.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:35 AM
Jun 2025

if u dont think there r already long waits for healthcare here, think again.
i’ve been in a long running bullshit trip through the medical industrial complex that already nearly killed me. even w an er referral, it was a month long wait to see a doc. i had to wait 2 months for badly needed colonoscopy. got rescheduled several times, for reasons that shd have been a clue to the problem, but wasnt. ended up taking 6 mos.
when they finally decided it wasnt in my head, that i needed surgery, the wait was 2 mos. ended up being emergency surgery, in the middle of the night, w no prep.

several issues showed up on cts that i wd have thought were red flags requiring attention. but no. been trying to get those issues checked out b4 follow up surgery. next available appt? october. w a poorly rated family doc. w an internist? december. and boy howdy do i hate the next available doc. either the worst in the system, or wet behind the ears.

the system that i was in lost a ton of docs during the plague. every 1 i saw after was under 40.
ended up in the best hospital in the city. almost all the nurses had less than 2 yrs in. the er nurses were better, but the only grey hair i saw on the floor was a bitter, nasty woman who should have retired.
want to stress this is 1 of the top rated hospitals in the country.

so what happens now? already short. if u were an immigrant, wd u risk coming here?
this is in chgo, w a huge concentration of great hospitals and docs. good luck red states.

no_hypocrisy

(54,248 posts)
16. I would have guessed The American Medical
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:47 AM
Jun 2025

Association would have been more public in criticism.

Wicked Blue

(8,439 posts)
18. Corpo World wants to kill almost all of us
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 09:58 AM
Jun 2025

except for a small number to fix the plumbing, etc.

erronis

(22,650 posts)
25. I can imagine the remaining plumbers will bill more than top lawyers
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:32 AM
Jun 2025

I've always thought people should be paid by how much good they do for society. Teachers, healthcare workers, garbage collectors - top pay. Politicians, lawyers, con artists - negative pay.

ananda

(34,393 posts)
19. And wait till the kids start dropping...
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:00 AM
Jun 2025

and that will happen in the not too distant future.

The shit will hit the fan then... but will it be too late?

Kid Berwyn

(22,890 posts)
20. Taco Boy wouldn't do that to us, would he?
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:07 AM
Jun 2025

You better believe it, depending on what King Putin wants!

pinkstarburst

(1,874 posts)
21. This will hit rural areas especially hard
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:07 AM
Jun 2025

Hospitals are already struggling in those areas and will likely close if this bill passes. Will rural (mostly red) voters and red states be smart enough to vote blue in the midterms and in 2028 in order to get their healthcare restored? Good question. I kind of doubt it, but we'll see how much pain they're willing to take. Having to drive 2 hours to go to the doctor, only to be told they aren't taking new patients and they aren't accepting insurances that don't reimburse well (Medicaid, Medicare, United) is going to sting.

For urban areas, it's going to suck, too. I would imagine we'll see lots more practices that will greatly limit who they will take as patients. I'm guessing we may see ERs only doing the bare minimum to stabilize someone before discharging them.

It's really going to hit republicans hardest if this bill goes through.

gab13by13

(31,178 posts)
31. I have been switching my doctors and hospitals from rural Pa.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:57 AM
Jun 2025

to Pittsburgh.

I had my ablation done at UPMC, had my knee replacement done at UPMC, had my foot neuropathy tested at UPMC.

I now have a UPMC cardiologist, a UPMC orthopedic doctor.

In a few years, wife and I will move in with my daughter outside of Pittsburgh.

pinkstarburst

(1,874 posts)
38. We're seeing more and more doctors here
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:25 PM
Jun 2025

I live in a solidly blue urban city with over a million people in Texas. We're seeing more and more difficulty finding specialists here. We're seeing more difficulties finding PCPs here. Long waits, even if you have good insurance. This seems to be mainly a problem caused by so many people moving to the state/area (we have a huge number of people moving here and it's straining infrastructure but the healthcare stuff going on right now definitely has me worried because there already aren't enough doctors to go around.) In certain specialties where it's already incredibly hard to get in as a new patient, some of the very few doctors in that specialty are switching over to a cash only model ( $800 per office visit, $200 per prior auth or prescription you want her to write), exacerbating the problem. This definitely is going to be felt by everyone.

Auggie

(32,879 posts)
32. THIS
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 11:01 AM
Jun 2025

Local hospital, in a fairly affluent part of Northern California, has expressed this very warning. Won't be able to keep the dogs open with fewer Medicaid patients.

patphil

(8,723 posts)
23. And everyone in the medical industry will be affected.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:12 AM
Jun 2025

Hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, in-home healthcare, doctors, nurses, and all other medical support personnel will be adversely affected due to this bill.
Not to mention all the non-medical support staff.
They're all going to be damaged financially by this horrible bill.
Without insurance, people won't get medical treatment. Rural areas will get hit the hardest, as medical deserts expand in size all over the United States.
This "big beautiful bill" will kill 10's of thousands of people each year, and cost even larger numbers of people to lose their jobs.

All so the rich can get richer.
I guess it's a small price to pay to insure they live like royalty while so many of us suffer.

Ol Janx Spirit

(692 posts)
24. It is truly unfortunate that telling people what is going to happen...
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:31 AM
Jun 2025

...does not seem to resonate anymore with the electorate. They were warned about this time and time again by Biden, Harris, et al. It seemingly meant nothing--along with the threat to Democracy, etc., etc.

The only thing that resonates with people is when they actually feel the pain of the thing happening that they were warned about. Yes, America is a four-year-old that just has to find out for itself that sticking that metal object into the light socket will shock it....

Democrats need to get very good at the political three step: tell people what will happen if they vote for Republicans; remind people that they told them it would happen before they voted for Republicans and it happened; fulfill the promise to undo the thing that happened when they voted for Republicans thinking the thing would never happen.

Democrats must also STOP talking in numbers and statistics. It is supposed to support their point and make it more credible, but average voters--and maybe most voters--just glaze over when they hear it. And, to your original point: telling people that 14.7 million people will lose their healthcare is actually wholly inaccurate. It will affect everyone's healthcare. How about Democrats just say THAT instead.

erronis

(22,650 posts)
27. Democrats can talk their faces blue but if the people aren't watching it doesn't help. And fux/RW media
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:34 AM
Jun 2025

aren't about to let this type of information seep into their little brains.

Jkanad

(36 posts)
39. All you've stated is true but ...
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:54 PM
Jun 2025

…the repubs keep blaming the Dems when things go wrong, e.g., it’s Biden’s fault. And the cult believes this.

Seinan Sensei

(1,358 posts)
26. Every federally elected official
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 10:33 AM
Jun 2025

Should be required to have Obama-Care insurance
No more, no less.
It shoulda be illegal for elected representatives to add-on any other insurance to take up the slack.
Obama-care.
Period.
1) Then they would value Obamacare.
They wouldn’t try to “replace” Obamacare.
2) if Obama care is insufficient, then they can go somewhere else.
And keep their greedy-ass out of political office.

Boom.
A self-selecting process.

subterranean

(3,745 posts)
41. Congress members actually do have "Obamacare."
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 03:06 PM
Jun 2025

Unlike all other Federal employees, they are required by law to get their insurance through the ACA marketplace. However, they do get extra subsidies that are unavailable to the rest of us, so they can afford a Gold plan.

lovesfruit

(26 posts)
34. If more rural hospitals close
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 12:31 PM
Jun 2025

If more rural hospitals close, it will affect suburban and urban hospitals too, as rural folks are forced to go to cities for care.

We have a lot of large hospitals where I live (suburban area around KC), and they’re already struggling to accommodate patients in the ER.

My husband was boarded in the ER for nearly 20 hours after being admitted to inpatient care. There were no beds. And talking to the ER staff, this is not a new issue.

There were many patients being treated in the halls, for hours and hours. We were lucky my husband (a cancer patient) had gotten the last private ER room.

I would have thought this was an issue with this specific hospital had the same problem not occurred to a friend a few weeks earlier at a different major hospital in our area.

While my guess is the ER-boarding / lack of beds is more of a post-Covid issue (health care workers—feel free to chime in!), it certainly won’t be helped by rural hospital closures.

czarjak

(13,437 posts)
37. Not to worry.
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 01:25 PM
Jun 2025

W said: "Faith-based organizations will step forward to fill the void."
And, we all know a Republican wouldn't lie!

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,327 posts)
48. That's all I need
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 11:59 PM
Jun 2025

Faith based Jesus salesmen speaking in tongues and laying hands on me triggering the living fuck out of my ptsd when I am desperate and need help or in a crisis. There is a very good chance I would go feral fast.


Fuck the corporation of Christ. Christianity is a bane upon this earth.

JT45242

(3,829 posts)
44. It will cause at least 75% of rural hospital to close
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 05:04 PM
Jun 2025

So here in Joni Hearse's Iowa, many people will have to drive 2-6 hours to Iowa city, cedar rapids, or des Moines.

Many will die needlessly while trying to get to the nearest capable hospital.

The Iowa City-Cedar Rapids corridor already doesn't have enough doctors .. especially specialists like neurology. Think of how many more stroke patients won't get that drug that prevents permanent damage. Cardiologist, nephrology, oncologist all fleeing the state.

I did not even bother to mention Ob/Gyn because that's already a pitiful state designed to kill women.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
45. The ones that are also gonna suffer "bigly"
Wed Jun 4, 2025, 08:45 PM
Jun 2025

are the ones that have go to a dentist or oral surgeon.......Neither are covered by even normal health insurance. These two groups can charge whatever they want, (and will)...........

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,327 posts)
49. Dentistry should
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:01 AM
Jun 2025

Be a human right. My teeth are failing forming cracks, get them pulled out I didn’t have fluoridated water growing up so my teeth are weak one side has been worn down faster than the other and my bite is very very deep so my jaw is crooked. I will never be able to get this fixed and I am running out of teeth. Than dentures on SSI disability… haahAhHahhaaa.

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