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speak easy

(12,595 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:01 AM Jun 2025

Rick Wilson: 'Trumpworld isn't worried about the Epstein files,

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they are worried sick about what Musk knows about the (2nd half of) 2024 campaign. '

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Rick Wilson: 'Trumpworld isn't worried about the Epstein files, (Original Post) speak easy Jun 2025 OP
Musk knows how the election was stolen, because he and Putin did it. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #1
Less Democrats voted in 47 of 50 States. speak easy Jun 2025 #2
DOGE knew exactly which counties in which states they needed to hack. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #3
CA 2020 Biden - 11,110,639 votes speak easy Jun 2025 #5
We don't know jackshit about what really happened. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #6
"I am supposed to believe ..." speak easy Jun 2025 #7
Yes, this is the big argument against major vote hacking. The orange shit gained a lot of votes LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #18
I suspect they adjusted every state and every demographic to make it look travelingthrulife Jun 2025 #51
who is they and how did they do it in every county in the country? LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #69
Before the election DENVERPOPS Jun 2025 #56
Misogyny or discontented Democrats karynnj Jun 2025 #47
Sadly DENVERPOPS Jun 2025 #57
I do agree that whathehell Jun 2025 #52
I agree. speak easy Jun 2025 #55
The difference is that America has a not fooled Jun 2025 #70
Thank you Ferrets are Cool Jun 2025 #8
They would also have to manipulate the polls too Kaleva Jun 2025 #9
Yep, too many Dems stayed home uponit7771 Jun 2025 #40
IMHO, that is why Harris lost Kaleva Jun 2025 #44
Also mail in ballots didn't come as high as increase in early voting uponit7771 Jun 2025 #46
I make the same argument I did with Trump 2020 election deniers fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #49
They tweaked the mail in vote in The Wizard Jun 2025 #14
NAILED IT. nt GiqueCee Jun 2025 #15
Agreed JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #22
Need more first hand evidence vs statistical anomalies / circumstances, I do agree they had... uponit7771 Jun 2025 #38
We know Republicans cheat. Chemical Bill Jun 2025 #54
Yup! And a hear hear! yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #60
Putin's Plan czarjak Jun 2025 #65
I know of several that voted for Biden fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #41
Am in AZ, ad figure Gallego won because a lot of MAGAs only voted top of ticket. Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #48
Right on! ananda Jun 2025 #13
Yup again! yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #59
Hard to believe that is accurate. I hope someone spills it all. Melon could do that. Evolve Dammit Jun 2025 #4
Jim Crow lives bagimin Jun 2025 #10
Exactly JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #23
Sounds right Evolve Dammit Jun 2025 #43
Why didn't they hack the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court race? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #27
Bravo! k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #36
Or the four democratic senators that won fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #39
I vote all the above... B.See Jun 2025 #50
Yup! yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #58
Musk was into the data end of story Botany Jun 2025 #11
Yup! yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #61
Why would they worried? Kaleva Jun 2025 #12
It seems impossible Trump won every battleground state. Emile Jun 2025 #16
I believe the polls showed the race too close to call in each of those states Kaleva Jun 2025 #17
his overall vote share increased in all non-swing states by more than it went up in the swing states-- LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #20
And yet, he did. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #28
If they weren't worried about the Epstein files, they would have released them by now LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #19
Wouldn't this incriminate Musk too? Nt Quixote1818 Jun 2025 #21
Exactly Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #24
Offer Musk immunity and get all those Russian assets Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #25
I completely agree we need to find out what happened, but who would offer Musk immunity? sop Jun 2025 #31
Proof of rigged elections they are gone Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #42
I doubt anything in the Epstein files would affect Trump. Lonestarblue Jun 2025 #26
1000+ PortTack Jun 2025 #68
Agreed. The Epstein files will be ignored or rationalized or both sided since Clinton travelingthrulife Jun 2025 #29
They would still justify it BeerBarrelPolka Jun 2025 #32
The cult couldn't care less if Trump raped a 9-year-old and murdered her parents on Fifth Avenue dalton99a Jun 2025 #30
Legal jeopardy for Trump (and all the others) died with Epstein. Without a witness, it's all unsubstantiated rumor. sop Jun 2025 #33
Magic 8-Ball says... Kid Berwyn Jun 2025 #34
I don't buy too many of the conspiracies but... Renew Deal Jun 2025 #35
AND he didn't need any more votes. AND Elon is great with yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #63
This may be true. Wingus Dingus Jun 2025 #37
If this were all true, then why wouldn't the Biden admin have released the information? Melon Jun 2025 #45
"why wouldn't the Biden admin have released the information?' speak easy Jun 2025 #67
The whole world already knows he is a pedophile and rapist. milestogo Jun 2025 #53
Doubt that bc it's incriminating to Musk. live love laugh Jun 2025 #62
They don't need to be worried about the Epstein files Warpy Jun 2025 #64
WeWasRobbedWilson czarjak Jun 2025 #66

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
1. Musk knows how the election was stolen, because he and Putin did it.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:05 AM
Jun 2025

DOGE hackers were hard at work for Trump on election day.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
2. Less Democrats voted in 47 of 50 States.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:16 AM
Jun 2025

Did DOGE hack that? They hacked CA, IL and NJ? For what reason?

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
3. DOGE knew exactly which counties in which states they needed to hack.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:26 AM
Jun 2025

Same kids who walked into all federal agencies and hacked the computers in a matter of hours.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
5. CA 2020 Biden - 11,110,639 votes
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:42 AM
Jun 2025

CA 2024 Harris - 9,276,179 votes - in her home state.

2024 - Whatever you think about hacking, millions of Democrats stayed at home and that's why we lost.

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
6. We don't know jackshit about what really happened.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:59 AM
Jun 2025

I am supposed to believe that the ruthless psychopath politicians and billionaires, many of them computer
experts, did not hack this election?

Trump faced prison and bankruptcy.
Putin faced the loss of the Ukraine war and possible assassination.
Musk faced loss of govt contracts and possible jail for his federal violations.

The billionaires wanted to pay no taxes, no restrictions and immunity for their crimes.

These are known criminals and psychopaths with a lot to lose.

ETA: And they all realized that they could loot the entire federal payroll and US Treasury.
And all become trillionaires. Strip the US down to the studs.
Just like they are doing now.

And I am supposed to believe they resisted all of this temptation and they all played fair and square?
Because they love the US, our democracy, the American people.

I was born at night but not last night.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
7. "I am supposed to believe ..."
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:05 AM
Jun 2025

I am only stating my point of view. If Harris was down nearly 2 million in CA, there was more than hacking going in. Misogyny is woven into every thread of American history.

LymphocyteLover

(9,347 posts)
18. Yes, this is the big argument against major vote hacking. The orange shit gained a lot of votes
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:04 AM
Jun 2025

all over the board, in every state, presumably due to economic concerns (and boy, were they misled over who could fix it).

If there was hacking, it was deep and systemic-- but I have a hard time seeing that.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
56. Before the election
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:34 PM
Jun 2025

The head of U.S. Intelligence said there was an unprecedented amount of attacks by Russia, China, and a few others. Far far worse than ever before.
The intel community was taking them down in record numbers, but he basically said it was like a giant game of Whack a Mole due to them coming at us so fast..........

karynnj

(60,777 posts)
47. Misogyny or discontented Democrats
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 03:18 PM
Jun 2025

It might not have just been the Republicans arguing that Harris did not earn the nomination in the primary. This might have made some people less eager to vote. It is also possible some believed the lies about Biden and thought Harris one of the people who covered up. Reading the comments of the former press secretary, the intense attacks on Biden may have worked in either of those ways.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
57. Sadly
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:37 PM
Jun 2025

there are still a large number of voters, who will never vote for a woman or a black person....and esp for a woman who is black.......
We have gone backwards in so many different ways in our beloved country........

whathehell

(30,355 posts)
52. I do agree that
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 04:32 PM
Jun 2025

at least part of the reason Harris lost was due to misogyny..That said, there's absolutely no evidence that misogyny is more "woven into the thread of American history" than it is in any other nation in the world and I'd guess it to be less than some.

not fooled

(6,603 posts)
70. The difference is that America has a
Sun Jun 8, 2025, 10:51 AM
Jun 2025

"Crazy Christian*" problem, which drives them to impose their will on the rest of the nation via infiltrating and bending the government to enact their agenda.

*term courtesy of the I've Had It podcast ladies.

Kaleva

(40,162 posts)
9. They would also have to manipulate the polls too
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:19 AM
Jun 2025

Which showed the race too close to call.

In Dem controlled Wayne County (metro Detroit area),the people who show up to vote are counted but Harris got about 60000 less votes there than Biden did in 2020. For your scenario to work, not only would the voting machines have to be hacked but also the paper trail that records the number of people who showed up at the polls to vote

Fewer people voted in blue strongholds in 2024 then they did in 2020.

Kaleva

(40,162 posts)
44. IMHO, that is why Harris lost
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 03:04 PM
Jun 2025

Turnout in blue strongholds in battleground states was less then it was in 2020.

fujiyamasan

(1,226 posts)
49. I make the same argument I did with Trump 2020 election deniers
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 03:40 PM
Jun 2025

Why would one party rig the state’s electoral votes for president, but not do it for the senate races?

Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada — dems won the senate seats — but Trump won the states. Election denial is not just a form of coping and denial, it’s a way to not bother looking inward at what causes losses in the first place and it gets in the way of finding a winning message.


The Wizard

(13,584 posts)
14. They tweaked the mail in vote in
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:32 AM
Jun 2025

Swing States. DeJoy sent his torpedoes into Swing State Democratic districts to "collect" the mail in ballots. What was the under count on the Swing States?

JustAnotherGen

(37,554 posts)
22. Agreed
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:40 AM
Jun 2025

Rockland County Informs my opinion on this.

Why it matters? How do disrupt the Traitorous Confeds in 2026? Are they going to pull the same stunt in NJ and VA this year?

Never forget - Tom Keane Sr won with the help of Roger Stone in 1981 and it was NJ in the 1980's that triggered prior disclosure of Voting Rights Act. They've had 50 years to refine. We need the Black Panthers protecting polling locations in Newark, Jersey City and Patterson this November.

I would not put it past this cabal to install 'FBI DHS ICE' aka Jan 6ers and Proud Boys at polling locations in those cities to intimidate Black voters.

They did it in 1981.
The Voting Rights Act is Dead.
They will do it again.

Johnny Reb Confeds will always choose evil.

uponit7771

(93,491 posts)
38. Need more first hand evidence vs statistical anomalies / circumstances, I do agree they had...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 10:54 AM
Jun 2025

... all the motivation in the world, bad character and know how.

Chemical Bill

(3,049 posts)
54. We know Republicans cheat.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:16 PM
Jun 2025

They purge Democratic voters before elections. They use the corporate media to smear Democrats. There were bomb threats from Russia that closed polling places in Democratic areas, and some never reopened. The US has a long history of keeping Black people from voting. And yet some people say that they don't see how Republicans could change election results, or even that it doesn't matter.

fujiyamasan

(1,226 posts)
41. I know of several that voted for Biden
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 10:58 AM
Jun 2025

But switched to either voting for Trump or sitting it out. That’s across different states, especially here in CA where there was no question who would win the state.

Besides, if musk wanted to give republicans complete control they missed a few significant races:

Arizona: Ruben Gallego won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.

Michigan: Elissa Slotkin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.

Nevada: Jacky Rosen won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.

Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election

Attilatheblond

(8,274 posts)
48. Am in AZ, ad figure Gallego won because a lot of MAGAs only voted top of ticket.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 03:28 PM
Jun 2025

Too many people think POTUS is all that matters because too many people are ignorant of how government works and LOTS of MAGAs are too lazy to vote the whole ballot. They believe Trump's rant that only he can fix it.

bagimin

(1,661 posts)
10. Jim Crow lives
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:22 AM
Jun 2025

The restrictive voting measures that fascists enacted pre-election were enough to deny Harris the victory many polls indicated.https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/. This should be an hour special of 60 minutes.

JustAnotherGen

(37,554 posts)
23. Exactly
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:48 AM
Jun 2025

And with the death of the VRA and the rise of Bondi -

There will be no protections for Black voters or College Students in the coming years.

This is why I'm very eager to see what the Hogg/Bernie wing of the Democratic Party are going to do to get young white men and women to vote Democratic.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,014 posts)
27. Why didn't they hack the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court race?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:56 AM
Jun 2025

Musk’s candidate lost, in a defeat more humiliating to Musk than it was to the candidate.

Surely, hacking that race would have been simpler than hacking the 2024 presidential race.

Either way, there is zero evidence , as introduced and accepted in a court of law, to support either kooky CT theory.

2024 election denialism has as much verified evidence as 2020 election denialism, the only thing missing is the Cyber Ninjas.

fujiyamasan

(1,226 posts)
39. Or the four democratic senators that won
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 10:54 AM
Jun 2025

In swing states Harris lost in. AI summary:

Arizona: Ruben Gallego won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Michigan: Elissa Slotkin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Nevada: Jacky Rosen won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election.
Wisconsin: Tammy Baldwin won the Senate race, while Trump won the presidential election

B.See

(7,757 posts)
50. I vote all the above...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 03:53 PM
Jun 2025

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The misogynists, the malcontents, the social misfits and political arsonists who delight in chaos and want to burn it all down,

the protest voters, the minority defectors to Trump's brand of bile (filed under FAFO)

the so-called 'undecideds' (wrong bub - if you were undecided about clearly different alternatives, then you've decided)

and the downright too lazy (i.e. stupid) to bother (filed under, roll over and play dead, why don'tcha)...

and ALSO hacked. That is, hacked in the sense of voter purges, voter suppression tactics (removal and closure of polling places etc.) and a myriad of other reich winged laws and intimidation tactics

aimed at RIGGING THE VOTE in favour of their side. To the extent of even passing laws that enabled them to challenge and throw out votes and voters at their discretion.

The fix was in, and Trump knew it.

Botany

(76,378 posts)
11. Musk was into the data end of story
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:25 AM
Jun 2025

Give him immunity and let him speak about the central tabulators.

Kaleva

(40,162 posts)
12. Why would they worried?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 06:31 AM
Jun 2025

The election has already been certified and there are no do-overs. As sitting President, Trump can’t be charged , except by the House, and there’s no way 2/3rds of the Senate will vote to convict in an impeachment trial.

Kaleva

(40,162 posts)
17. I believe the polls showed the race too close to call in each of those states
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:03 AM
Jun 2025

Now, if the polls had shown that Harris was in the lead in any of those states and her lead was outside the margin of error, then certainly eyebrows would be raised.

LymphocyteLover

(9,347 posts)
20. his overall vote share increased in all non-swing states by more than it went up in the swing states--
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:08 AM
Jun 2025

the swing states were closer, presumably because the Harris-Walz campaign put more effort there countering Trumpian BS

sop

(17,400 posts)
31. I completely agree we need to find out what happened, but who would offer Musk immunity?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:31 AM
Jun 2025

Since the candidates on the ballot were running for a national office, it would be a federal crime, not a state crime. The FBI and DOJ investigate and prosecute federal election crimes. Kash Patel won't investigate, Pam Bondi's DOJ won't grant Musk immunity and a Republican Congress won't hold hearings.

Lonestarblue

(13,223 posts)
26. I doubt anything in the Epstein files would affect Trump.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:56 AM
Jun 2025

The MAGA crowd voted for a convicted sexual deviant. Learning that he has raped and sexually abused youn teen girls will be perfectly acceptable to them.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
29. Agreed. The Epstein files will be ignored or rationalized or both sided since Clinton
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:12 AM
Jun 2025

was on one of those flights as well.
Unless there is tape of him screwing a 12 year old nothing would happen. Even then, they will call the tape AI.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,173 posts)
32. They would still justify it
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:32 AM
Jun 2025

She asked for it. She liked it. She looked old enough. They just talked. He paid her college. They will twist themselves into pretzels defending him.

dalton99a

(92,076 posts)
30. The cult couldn't care less if Trump raped a 9-year-old and murdered her parents on Fifth Avenue
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:28 AM
Jun 2025

sop

(17,400 posts)
33. Legal jeopardy for Trump (and all the others) died with Epstein. Without a witness, it's all unsubstantiated rumor.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:46 AM
Jun 2025

Maybe Ghislaine Maxwell could cut a deal to get out of her 20-year federal prison sentence in return for incriminating testimony against Trump and others, but the DOJ would never go along with that. Even then, the cult would remain faithful.

Renew Deal

(84,699 posts)
35. I don't buy too many of the conspiracies but...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 09:33 AM
Jun 2025

Trump did say he had a secret about the election. He said it on stage.

yellow dahlia

(4,516 posts)
63. AND he didn't need any more votes. AND Elon is great with
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jun 2025

the tabulators.

He made sure he won the supposed popular vote, and all the swing states...to appease his ego. And so he could say he "supposedly" has a mandate.

Melon

(1,078 posts)
45. If this were all true, then why wouldn't the Biden admin have released the information?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 03:08 PM
Jun 2025

Really….i want to be believe…but I don’t believe anything substantial will be released. There is either nothing to it at all….or info detrimental to both parties. Otherwise it would have been released.

speak easy

(12,595 posts)
67. "why wouldn't the Biden admin have released the information?'
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:47 PM
Jun 2025

Because the RW wants to hide it? Your answer would be very much appreciated.

milestogo

(22,557 posts)
53. The whole world already knows he is a pedophile and rapist.
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 05:03 PM
Jun 2025

But stealing an election is worse.

Warpy

(114,381 posts)
64. They don't need to be worried about the Epstein files
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:34 PM
Jun 2025

because their base of fundagelical, OT obsessed cultists will see all those rich old geezers fucking little girls as doing gods work like the Hebrew kings of old with their hundreds of concubines.

Those girls weren't pampered c royal concubines and those old men weren't Hebrew kings. Never mind Epstein was a pimp, selling bodies he didn't own for fabulous amounts of money and likely blackmailing the men he sold them to.

czarjak

(13,437 posts)
66. WeWasRobbedWilson
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:03 PM
Jun 2025

Again. What happened to dragging us kicking and screaming to Republican Conservatism? Asking for a friend. You built this!

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