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senseandsensibility

(24,205 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 04:55 PM Jun 2025

I know there's a lot going on right now but this doesn't sound good

RFK just removed every member of a scientific committee that advises the CDC on how vaccines should be used. According to the NYT: "The health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. removed all 17 members of a CDC advisory panel in his latest move to dismantle years of vaccine policy."

So, we're just gonna wing it now?

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I know there's a lot going on right now but this doesn't sound good (Original Post) senseandsensibility Jun 2025 OP
Yep... FirstLight Jun 2025 #1
Got a COVID booster today. Was told there will be an updated vaccine in the fall. Intractable Jun 2025 #2
I'm worried how the VA is gonna handle this shit... Wounded Bear Jun 2025 #4
Add to that the thousands of employees to be cut from the VA. progressoid Jun 2025 #24
they do not care Sailingdiver Jun 2025 #32
Don't I know it. Personally, I've been pretty satisfied with my VA health care... Wounded Bear Jun 2025 #38
His father would roll over vapor2 Jun 2025 #60
Not only Veterans bdamomma Jun 2025 #62
I'll be getting mine! wolfie001 Jun 2025 #45
I guess I'll need to arrange to go to the UK or Canada for my future vaccinations. NCDem47 Jun 2025 #3
Going there is probably legal. Coming back may be different. soldierant Jun 2025 #48
WTAF!!!!!! a kennedy Jun 2025 #5
Sure looks like it. ananda Jun 2025 #17
That's it. rubbersole Jun 2025 #52
Yes, actually. Trueblue Texan Jun 2025 #22
Only some of us COL Mustard Jun 2025 #27
Yup Botany Jun 2025 #54
The situation in L.A. has taken the attention away from many other things yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #6
Yes senseandsensibility Jun 2025 #7
I agree. yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #10
If it bleeds, it leads... GiqueCee Jun 2025 #13
That dude ForgedCrank Jun 2025 #8
If that worm... GiqueCee Jun 2025 #16
From the sound of things - DeeDeeNY Jun 2025 #26
BINGO! GiqueCee Jun 2025 #31
IDIOCRACY, THE DOCUMENTARY spanone Jun 2025 #9
The too much to take in part is really dangerous senseandsensibility Jun 2025 #11
That's a real possibility. spanone Jun 2025 #19
And I bet the bad guys know it. calimary Jun 2025 #23
Bannon's playbook. Disgusting. notinkansas Jun 2025 #64
You might have to follow the Canadian's PHAC Bev54 Jun 2025 #12
HE is now the "authority" on vaccines Skittles Jun 2025 #14
Qanon knows much more about viruses than all these scientists. Kablooie Jun 2025 #44
It's worth repeating... surfered Jun 2025 #15
Won't be winging it...he'll put in place the whacko medical fringe and have really bad ideas. Canada, here we come! dutch777 Jun 2025 #18
Less than ideal, I'm thinkin'. Tom Dyer Jun 2025 #20
You and me both senseandsensibility Jun 2025 #34
Not wing it replaced with 17 conspiracy theorists and loyalists JT45242 Jun 2025 #21
I just read a newsfeed story about this and it said he plans on replacing the fired members. Bet allegorical oracle Jun 2025 #28
CDC will now rely exclusively AdamGG Jun 2025 #25
Kennedy is just a terrible, horrible nightmare of an appointee. Janbdwl72 Jun 2025 #30
Medical consultants for RFKJr,.... magicarpet Jun 2025 #33
Remember, Krasnov hires nothing but the best... lunatics. nt Buns_of_Fire Jun 2025 #29
He's really outdone himself notinkansas Jun 2025 #65
Who's ready Just Jerome Jun 2025 #35
We'll see if Brain Worm's ideas outlast the 4 years of the Republican False Messiah's govt. Dem4life1970 Jun 2025 #36
What I am very upset about is the silence of the medical associations all of them FloridaBlues Jun 2025 #37
Yes, that is alarming senseandsensibility Jun 2025 #39
You would think Just Jerome Jun 2025 #41
No, he'll just appoint a bunch of friends and fellow travelers Tranquil72 Jun 2025 #40
Probably looking to appoint moniss Jun 2025 #42
Trump did it before Covid broke out LiberalArkie Jun 2025 #43
Back to the Dark Ages as fast as they can accomplish it. Anti-science, anti-democracy, anti-rule-of-law, Martin68 Jun 2025 #46
Honestly, would you trust anything comining out of that Dept. under this administration? Buddyzbuddy Jun 2025 #47
Did you see Lawrence? yellow dahlia Jun 2025 #49
Democratic Governors should...... flying-skeleton Jun 2025 #50
Lots of people will get sick and he will blame it on the Klarkashton Jun 2025 #51
That, and they'll blame it on longterm side effects of the actual COVID vaccine. Orrex Jun 2025 #57
So this is the new Republican healthcare plan. Emile Jun 2025 #53
Same as the old Repuke healthcare plan... GopherGal Jun 2025 #63
We need the science back into medical science. Either RFK Jr. is barking mad or he wants to kill Americans Botany Jun 2025 #55
He's a menace and a disgrace to his family and his country. He should be removed from his position. Joinfortmill Jun 2025 #56
just rub some dirt in it, that'll fix ya real good. Javaman Jun 2025 #58
No, they are well aware of what they are doing. OldBaldy1701E Jun 2025 #59
Maddow Blog-RFK Jr. breaks promise to senators, guts CDC vaccine panel of independent experts LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #61
Important context senseandsensibility Jun 2025 #66
Brainworm logic Nigrum Cattus Jun 2025 #67

Wounded Bear

(63,771 posts)
4. I'm worried how the VA is gonna handle this shit...
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:04 PM
Jun 2025

I've been getting regular flu and covid updates every fall. I sure hope that continues.

progressoid

(52,502 posts)
24. Add to that the thousands of employees to be cut from the VA.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:59 PM
Jun 2025

This is some scary shit!

My dad has had most of his retirement health care through the VA. Sure, it hasn't always been a smooth process. But it beats what he would have gotten from the civilian health care system. He's still kicking at 92!

Sailingdiver

(340 posts)
32. they do not care
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:33 PM
Jun 2025

The pricks simply do not care about veterans.

They wax poetically about caring but their actions speak volumes.

RFK Jr is a damn disgrace and dangerous.

Wounded Bear

(63,771 posts)
38. Don't I know it. Personally, I've been pretty satisfied with my VA health care...
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:05 PM
Jun 2025

but I'm certainly worried about what trump & co will do going forward.

Basically, I can't afford civilian healthcare, even with Medicare.

bdamomma

(69,139 posts)
62. Not only Veterans
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 10:31 AM
Jun 2025

they don't care about humankind.

RFK Jr. is dangerous and is aiding and abetting an criminal felon in killing Americans.

wolfie001

(6,962 posts)
45. I'll be getting mine!
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 08:45 PM
Jun 2025

That lying crank should be ignored if you want to keep yourself and your family safe. Of course, he was put into that position by the nastiest f6ck ever to set foot in the WH.

NCDem47

(3,316 posts)
3. I guess I'll need to arrange to go to the UK or Canada for my future vaccinations.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:02 PM
Jun 2025

that's if THAT doesnt become illegal.

so, so SAD how Trump has ruined the CDC. a world leader no more.

a kennedy

(35,191 posts)
5. WTAF!!!!!!
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:05 PM
Jun 2025

We are all gonna die. Is that what this gawd damn dictatorship wants??? 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

ananda

(34,308 posts)
17. Sure looks like it.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:33 PM
Jun 2025

They must figure that their policies will hurt non-whites
more than whites.. and that rich white people will be able
to get vaccines and medical care regardless.

Trueblue Texan

(4,158 posts)
22. Yes, actually.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:52 PM
Jun 2025

Only the compliant and loyal will survive if they have their way. But I doubt "the Left will allow it."

Botany

(76,254 posts)
54. Yup
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:34 AM
Jun 2025

This is the planned murder of God only knows how many Americans.
Vaccines work, stop diseases, and save lives.

yellow dahlia

(4,286 posts)
6. The situation in L.A. has taken the attention away from many other things
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:07 PM
Jun 2025

in need of attention.

Eg: The decision by SCOTUS on Friday that it is okay for DOGE hacker punks to have full access to sensitive data at SSA.

And meanwhile, in another decision, SCOTUS also prevented CREW from having FOIA access to what DOGE is doing in their governmental "duties".

senseandsensibility

(24,205 posts)
7. Yes
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:10 PM
Jun 2025

Frustrating is an understatement. I wish cable news was able to divide their coverage into, say, four main segments. There are at least 4 major outrages a day that need to be addressed. One story, no matter how compelling, should not monopolize the news.

yellow dahlia

(4,286 posts)
10. I agree.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:24 PM
Jun 2025

It is a pattern of playing to the most sensational. Unfortunately, it facilitates the distractions and "shiny object" tactics of the grifter.

GiqueCee

(3,312 posts)
16. If that worm...
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:33 PM
Jun 2025

... had stuck around for dessert, we wouldn't have to deal with this raving psychopath.

DeeDeeNY

(3,892 posts)
26. From the sound of things -
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:08 PM
Jun 2025

It sounds like that brain worm is the one now calling the shots

senseandsensibility

(24,205 posts)
11. The too much to take in part is really dangerous
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:30 PM
Jun 2025

I'm afraid people will start tuning out because it is just too overwhelming.

Bev54

(13,155 posts)
12. You might have to follow the Canadian's PHAC
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:31 PM
Jun 2025

that stands for Public Health Agency of Canada. I suspect some of your scientists will end up here as have specialized Doctors and Nurses have.

Kablooie

(19,032 posts)
44. Qanon knows much more about viruses than all these scientists.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 08:32 PM
Jun 2025

We know that because that’s where the presidents info comes from.

dutch777

(4,830 posts)
18. Won't be winging it...he'll put in place the whacko medical fringe and have really bad ideas. Canada, here we come!
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:37 PM
Jun 2025

I wouldn't blame them if they wouldn't let us in, but may come down to getting smart, rational med care for some things, like vaccines, may take a trip across the border. If you know what you want/need you can also go to Mexico, every little podunk pharmacy will dispense just about anything to anybody. Can't vouch for the material sourcing but they'll sell it to you. I wonder how the average general practitioner is going to deal with this down the road?

senseandsensibility

(24,205 posts)
34. You and me both
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:41 PM
Jun 2025

I hope this doesn't fall through the cracks with all the protest stuff. The administration needs to answer for this.

JT45242

(3,813 posts)
21. Not wing it replaced with 17 conspiracy theorists and loyalists
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 05:49 PM
Jun 2025

Loyalty to mango Mussolini is the only required reason for any job in the government

allegorical oracle

(6,139 posts)
28. I just read a newsfeed story about this and it said he plans on replacing the fired members. Bet
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:16 PM
Jun 2025

he doesn't do it.

All these turds want to be the lone voices of their various domains. That keeps them from being answerable to anybody except the fetid fathead. This whole administration gives off the feeling that they're all winging it -- making it up as they go along (or TSF tells them what they should say and do.)

Janbdwl72

(244 posts)
30. Kennedy is just a terrible, horrible nightmare of an appointee.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:22 PM
Jun 2025

As usual for the Felon's appointees, he lied before the Senate committee during his confirmation hearings. He has continued his anti-vaccine crusades, often in below the headlines ways, since he first took office. He is indeed deplorable.

Any statements he makes saying he will protect the rights of Americans who wisely choose to use vaccines cannot be trusted.

magicarpet

(18,456 posts)
33. Medical consultants for RFKJr,....
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:35 PM
Jun 2025

Rogan as you said - and Alex Jones,... the most informed and update medical practitioners in the USA.

Buy their supplements from their merch page and you are guaranteed to live until you are 300 years old.

notinkansas

(1,294 posts)
65. He's really outdone himself
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:46 AM
Jun 2025

with these cabinet picks. Every one of them is absolutely unqualified. By design.

FloridaBlues

(4,646 posts)
37. What I am very upset about is the silence of the medical associations all of them
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:57 PM
Jun 2025

They are the voices we need to be the loudest on what is happening to CDc , NIH , etc. unfortunately crickets.

Tranquil72

(21 posts)
40. No, he'll just appoint a bunch of friends and fellow travelers
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:20 PM
Jun 2025

It’s not a large group, but enough to fill the seats. And he’ll pretend he’s doing it for the good of people everywhere.

moniss

(8,605 posts)
42. Probably looking to appoint
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:23 PM
Jun 2025

Aaron Rodgers, Joe Rogan, Laura Loomer and a fortune teller to advise him in advance of how it all will go.

Martin68

(26,942 posts)
46. Back to the Dark Ages as fast as they can accomplish it. Anti-science, anti-democracy, anti-rule-of-law,
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 08:54 PM
Jun 2025

anti-constitution, anti-morality, anti-ethics, anti-humanity.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,049 posts)
47. Honestly, would you trust anything comining out of that Dept. under this administration?
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 09:04 PM
Jun 2025

It's not the researchers or scientists fault.
We should not trust anything coming out of the Whitehouse on down. Unlike the right-wing nutjobs, it's a temporary situation for us, 3.5 years. We know Gov't can and will work when this criminally run regime is out.

yellow dahlia

(4,286 posts)
49. Did you see Lawrence?
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 09:38 PM
Jun 2025

He made several points about how the distraction that the grifter is providing, by creating an issue in LA, is pulling attention away from all the other things that the grifter doesn't want us to see. He also mentioned the RFK firing of vaccine experts at CDC as one of the atrocities that is going on unnoticed, because the media is being distracted.

flying-skeleton

(809 posts)
50. Democratic Governors should......
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:22 AM
Jun 2025

Democratic Governors should jointly appoint a shadow scientific community CDC to represent their states. Red states not invited.

Botany

(76,254 posts)
55. We need the science back into medical science. Either RFK Jr. is barking mad or he wants to kill Americans
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:51 AM
Jun 2025

He just fired all 17 SCIENTISTS from the CDC who advise on vaccines.

“Medical science refers to the branch of knowledge that studies the human body, health, and diseases. It encompasses a wide range of disciplines, including:

Anatomy: The study of the structure and function of the body's organs and systems.

Physiology: The study of how the body's organs and systems work.

Biochemistry: The study of the chemical processes that occur in the body.

Microbiology: The study of microorganisms, such as bacteria and viruses.

Pathology: The study of diseases and their causes.

Pharmacology: The study of drugs and their effects on the body.

Medical science aims to understand the mechanisms of health and disease, develop treatments and preventive measures, and improve human well-being. It plays a crucial role in advancing medical knowledge, diagnosing and treating illnesses, and promoting healthcare advancements.”

Joinfortmill

(19,909 posts)
56. He's a menace and a disgrace to his family and his country. He should be removed from his position.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:06 AM
Jun 2025

Javaman

(65,054 posts)
58. just rub some dirt in it, that'll fix ya real good.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:35 AM
Jun 2025

it's almost as if he's wanting another pandemic..."almost".

OldBaldy1701E

(9,992 posts)
59. No, they are well aware of what they are doing.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:55 AM
Jun 2025

They want those who are not beholden to their green god to die.

Period.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,319 posts)
61. Maddow Blog-RFK Jr. breaks promise to senators, guts CDC vaccine panel of independent experts
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 10:28 AM
Jun 2025

Before his confirmation, the HHS secretary said he’d leave the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices alone. Now he’s doing the opposite.

That an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is behaving like an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is painfully predictable.

But the fact remains that 52 Senate Republicans were given an opportunity to protect Americans from RFK Jr. — and they failed spectacularly.

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-06-10T13:46:55.481Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/cdc-vaccine-panel-acip-rfk-jr-kennedy-rcna212007

In early February, when there was still some question as to whether or not the Senate would confirm Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, Sen. Bill Cassidy delivered a closely watched speech on the Senate floor. The Louisiana Republican, a physician by trade, not only endorsed the anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist during his remarks, he offered assurances about the future.

“If confirmed, [Kennedy] will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices — without changes,” Cassidy declared with confidence, pointing to assurances he’d received directly from RFK Jr.

Four months later, as NBC News reported, Cassidy has been proven wrong.

The 17 members of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s independent vaccine advisory committee are being removed from their posts, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Monday afternoon.


.....Complicating matters is the degree to which these new developments add to a radical and dangerous pattern. Indeed, Kennedy’s announcement came just days after pediatric infectious disease expert Dr. Lakshmi Panagiotakopoulos resigned from her position as the co-leader of a CDC working group that advises outside experts on Covid vaccines.

In an email to colleagues, Panagiotakopoulos said, “My career in public health and vaccinology started with a deep-seated desire to help the most vulnerable members of our population, and that is not something I am able to continue doing in this role.”

Around the same time, The Associated Press reported that there’s some ambiguity as to who, exactly, is currently leading the CDC.

A New York Times report added:

Under Mr. Kennedy’s leadership, the F.D.A. has narrowed availability of Covid vaccines to adults 65 and older and Americans with certain underlying conditions. Mr. Kennedy later announced that the C.D.C. would no longer recommend the vaccines for healthy children or pregnant women, a decision that normally would have come from the agency’s A.C.I.P. ... He also oversees the National Institutes of Health, which halted funding for researchers who study vaccine hesitancy and canceled programs intended to discover new vaccines to prevent future pandemics. The department has also ended work crucial to developing an H.I.V. vaccine and a contract for a vaccine against bird flu.


As unsettling as the news has been, none of it is surprising. RFK Jr.’s anti-science reputation was well established long before Trump nominated him. That an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is behaving like an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is painfully predictable.
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