and what Netanyahu does. The war machine will roll on, no matter what.

but the May, 2025 IAEA report changes things.

I support Israel even more with that piece of intel.

So just bomb, bomb bomb away, even though Iran is, and never has been anywhere close to fulfilling that threat. Just preemptively remove Iran from the face of the Earth.

That seems dangerously close to becoming just like those you hate, if not worse.

thirty years ago when they were just as close as they are now according to Israel?

At some point we have to start telling Israel to stop with bullshit.

Or did you just post one part of the article to support your claim?
The article goes on to debunk your thread.

Apparently all Iran has, or had, is near weapons grade material. It takes a long time to enrich from near weapons grade to actual weapons grade. Right now all Iran has is a batch of nuclear fuel, or at worst, material for a dirty bomb.

Israel and Netanyahu have been crying about an imminent nuke from Iran for twenty years, yet it has never materialized.

Nice job.

So, according to you, an Iranian dirty bomb launched at Israel is really no big thing?

Gee, whom to believe, Israeli intelligence, which is much more in tune with what Iran is doing and capable of than Trump's US intelligence?
Guess with side I believe more?

Doesn't sound like a well run intelligence operation to me, or at least a very biased one.

That would be of some help to the rest of us.

Here, I'll post the link for you.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away

I'll make a note: MCE just likes to criticize other people's opinions but won't put his own opinion up for scrutiny.

have at it, I really don't care.

"Trump’s Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, testified in March that the US intelligence community, “continues to assess Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized a nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.”

And from the IAEA. . .

"The International Atomic Energy Agency, a top international watchdog, said last week that Iran had amassed enough uranium enriched at levels just below weapons-grade to potentially make nine nuclear bombs, which it termed “a matter of serious concern.”

The challenge, for Iran, is producing not merely a crude nuclear weapon – which experts say Iran could potentially do within the space of months if it decided to – but also producing a working delivery system, which could take much longer."

So, no weapons grade uranium, no delivery system, all years away.

Israel has been banging the "imminent threat" drum for twenty years now, and it has yet to pan out.

With the proper equipment, which Iran has, the uranium can be enriched in a very short time. North Korea has shown how an apparently nascent nuclear program can develop working weapons. NK was under stricter controls than Iran

When they are talking about delivery system, they mean a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. There are other ways to deliver even a crude nuclear weapon or nine

I firmly believe however, if a nuclear device hidden in a truck detonated in Tel Aviv people would say it was Israel's fault for not acting sooner.

These are those folks that want an excuse to bomb Iran, yet through Gabbard they were admitting they don't have one.
Meanwhile real intelligence is saying, per first paragraph of article, that Iran is three years away. It takes awhile, months, years, using gas centrifuge, even advanced ones that Iran has.

And yes, Iran is going to need a missle or plane delivery system. The notion that they would drive it there is laughable. The sheer weight of the combined bomb and shielding to contain the radiation would be prohibitive, not to mention they would have to cross multiple land borders, many equipped with radiation detection systems to prevent just such a scenario.

And again, Israel has been blowing that imminent threat horn for twenty years now, that Iran was just weeks or months away from a bomb. Why should we believe them now, especially when the intelligence says otherwise?

Good for some things, but real facts, eh, not so much.

Anyway, a B83 1.2 megaton bomb weighs in a 2,400 pounds, yes, it does have enough shielding included in that not to kill the pilot and crew, but such bombs still leak a lot of radiation. You would probably have to add 1-2 times that weight in either lead or depleted uranium shielding for it to not set off radiation monitors. And yes, there are radiation monitors at the borders of most countries. The US has them, and I guarantee Israel has them. You won't see them, you're not meant to, but they're there.

Oh, and that intelligence I'm stating is coming from the IAEA. I included the Gabbard testimony to show where the Trump administration is at.

Again, Israel and Netanyahu has been crying wolf about the immi ent Iranian bomb for twenty years now, yet nothing has ever been proven. Should we bomb Iran just because he says so?

so a device weighing three tons- now by your admission shielded to a level to prevent detection. It would not even require a large vehicle to transport. A semi can carry upwards of 40 tons- that's 35+ tons of material to hide a bomb that is not giving off radiation.

From the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, the people who maintain the doomsday clock:

Border agent:

"OK sir, open up the back, we need to check you out"

Driver:

Ummm. . .

Or they just put the truck through their handy dandy Xray(and yes, they have them, just like we do). Oops.

The notion of smuggling such a bomb through land borders, especially Israel's is ludicrous.

of drugs crossing the US border.
I am aware of x-ray technology. I also spent the better part of a year working with an intelligence Red Team- our job was to come up with the most devious nightmare scenarios and figure out how to pass through high security. There are ways to do it, far from ludicrous, and the driver will have no idea what he is carrying as part of his load (at least that is how I would do it)

But let's consider other scenarios, bring a weapon in by ship, in a shipping container, a cargo plane would be doable although admittedly very difficult.

The biggest problem is getting the bomb. Delivery is a matter of smuggling if it cannot be delivered in conventional ways

As small as Israel is, it would devastate not only Israel, but the entire region and probably the world.

it shows with this one.

What exactly are you implying with that statement?

you know exactly what I'm talking about.

I prefer to speak directly and for others to do the same. So why don't you state plainly what you're trying to say rather than beating around the bush about it. Or is that too much to ask of you?

but when one reads through the whole article, the truth, not your "truth", comes out and it becomes quite transparent where your sympathies lie, which, in this country, you are afforded that right, unlike in Iran.

What are you implying with that statement " it shows with this one"?

you know exactly what was meant.
You're being pretty transparent by trying to have a gotcha moment, well, it won't work with me but you just keep on keeping on.

There are several possibilities, and I'm not going to assume anything, you know, basic human courtesy.

So why don't you plainly state what you mean and we can continue from there, or is basic human courtesy too much to ask for?

because it didn't fit the narrative of the thread.

We won't talk about the CIA involvement in the political assassinations of presidents that were elected through democracy, that threw Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan into civil wars and the rise of extremists.

for any subject.

Along with Pakistan, India, and North Korea, Israel isn't, so of course they've had to maintain the multi-year fiction that Iran's "close to" being able to build nuclear weapons to deflect from their own hypocrisy.

Bush, Powell, Cheney and that third GQP shit stain that is now in hell, Rumsfeld, all assured us Iraq was ready to launch nukes, that put us in a bankrupting hell for a dozen+ years, while every one of them packed their bank accounts, and took away our freedoms and privacy and gave this damn regime legal authority to end us at their will. And that war killed millions of people, and scarred and mutilated as many.
So Iran will welcome Natty Ya Hoo as liberators, and turn into a democratic nation. With a little Shock and Awe!
We have seen this movie of a mad man and his regime drunk on power and cash.
I see lots of Trump garb at the VA, but have never seen Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld garb on any vet.
Maybe those suckers and losers will end the love fest with Trump and his money hoarders after a war in Iran for a decade. Then walk away, after the war monger’s get paid. But now the end to VA benefits will be complete after DOGE and President Miller finish their goals.
But I may be dead wrong, and Natty Yahoo is only concerned for his people. Worthy of that Nobel Prize trump plans on getting.

Sorry if I don't put much faith in it.