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dutch777

(4,825 posts)
2. Yeah, we'll just declare MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and move on....to pay the price later.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:32 AM
Jun 2025

Even if our bombs penetrated the Fordo facility, the Iranians will dig out their centrifuges, dig an even deeper hole and painstakingly pick the working pieces from the centrifuges and rebuild enough to enrich uranium to bomb grade material. Yep, will take years.
Meanwhile, they will explore paths to deliver a few bombs, probably shipped in storage containers, not trusting a missile to get thru, to ports like Haifa, London, LA and BOOM!

AllaN01Bear

(28,475 posts)
3. as i said for three prezes ,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:32 AM
Jun 2025

i wanna war, i wanna war, i wanna war. whahh bush. bush and raygun

Linda ladeewolf

(1,088 posts)
6. Iran already hates the Mango Moosknuckle.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:51 AM
Jun 2025

They already been after him, what does he think they’ll do now? Does he think this will make him friends among Iranians? They’ll stick together even more now.

DFW

(59,685 posts)
8. Note the candid words of the captive Hermann Goering, Hitler's Luftwaffe boss
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:57 AM
Jun 2025

Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”


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He knew what he was talking about. After all, he helped lead his country into the worst war there ever was. And I knew, too, whom he was talking about. My father-in-law was that "slob on a farm." He was drafted at age 17, and sent to Stalingrad. He returned home at age 19. He did not come back in one piece.

PatSeg

(51,966 posts)
12. And the war mongers have done the same thing
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:23 AM
Jun 2025

over and over again. The playbook rarely changes because so far it has always worked.

DFW

(59,685 posts)
13. As long as it does work, it won't change.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:40 AM
Jun 2025

Göring was one of the few who had actually participated in the fomenting of an immense war, and lived long enough to be completely candid about how he and his cronies did it. Notably, he was one of the last surviving architects of the Second World War left to give a "how we did it" interview before he committed suicide in his cell. You don't have to like him, but I think we should believe him.

PatSeg

(51,966 posts)
14. He certainly explained it very succinctly and accurately
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:12 PM
Jun 2025

What a stunningly arrogant man he was. Not a shred of remorse whatsoever.

Such people aren't terribly creative or original. They just keep repeating the strategy of countless tyrants throughout history. I suppose the main difference is they actually defined and recorded what they did.

For dictator wannabes like Trump, they conveniently ignore how the reigns of tyrants almost always end. Perhaps they believe they'll be the exception to the rule.

DFW

(59,685 posts)
15. Remorse is not in the rhetorical inventory of people like that.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:11 PM
Jun 2025

Not the Nazis, not the socialists, not the communists, not the Italian or Spanish fascists, not religious control freaks, from Torquemada to the Taliban, for all the evil and suffering they have inflicted on the people over whom they ruled, the one thing they never offered was remorse, an apology. Their only regrets are that they were removed from their positions of power, whether by nature, illness, or violence. They really thought they would be there eternally, and it was as if mortality was an unexpected surprised that caught them fully unaware.

PatSeg

(51,966 posts)
16. Yes, it is pretty mindboggling
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:42 PM
Jun 2025

Apparently they tend to think their power is so great that they can evade even death. It is amazing that those with such a mentality ever came close to being in power.

PatSeg

(51,966 posts)
11. I remember back in the Iraq War days
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:20 AM
Jun 2025

people would ask about an "exit strategy" and clearly the administration had none. It is so much easier to attack than it is to withdraw.

My big concern is that Trump might get a taste for this. He fits the profile and war mongering can be quite addictive. "I'm a real man, I can bomb shit."

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