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Septua

(2,950 posts) Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:52 PM Jun 2025

Trump and Iran

I don't know jack about Iran or Iran's nuclear status quo and don't know enough to have an opinion on the potential consequences of Trump's recent attack on Iran nuclear facilities. But, I do know something about Trump.

He is transactional...never does anything without an expectation of getting something in return...for him. Two weeks ago, he was against Bibi attacking Iran, then wanted some of the glory when Bibi made an attack. What was that about? Staying on Bibi's good side or just keeping his name the top daily breaking news bites.

Gabbard said the 'intelligence' didn't support Iran's near ready position to build a bomb. Trump said she was wrong. Trump can't comprehend intelligence reports so who's feeding him better intelligence that Gabbard? Or maybe...

It was based on “a feeling” the president had as he realized diplomacy would not lead to an acceptable outcome.

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/22/trump-iran-strike-decision/)

Whatever drove Trump to the decision, it wasn't to 'make America great' or for that matter, make the world a safer place.

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Trump and Iran (Original Post) Septua Jun 2025 OP

Also he flat out admitted to ignoring the professional intelligence assessments. RockRaven Jun 2025 #1

I think it was mostly the feeling of "I'm the President! I want to blow stuff up!!!" tanyev Jun 2025 #2

"...it wasn't to 'make America great' or for that matter, make the world a safer place." J_William_Ryan Jun 2025 #3

This was theater Johnny2X2X Jun 2025 #4

After the weakness and humiliation he showed at both the parade and G7, he wants to look tough. Norrrm Jun 2025 #5

Non-Abrahamic cultures need to tell all these Abrahamic (aryan) kooks RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Jun 2025 #6

Trump hoped for a "rah rah rally round the flag!" reaction from the American people, Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #7

I've seen a lot of chatter today... Hugin Jun 2025 #8

I guarantee there will be Russian S400 systems in Iran soon. roamer65 Jun 2025 #9

..and Little Marco said the intelligence is irrelevant... Septua Jun 2025 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Septua Jun 2025 #11

Bibi has become the new Elon. walkingman Jun 2025 #12

RockRaven

(18,625 posts)

1. Also he flat out admitted to ignoring the professional intelligence assessments.

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:55 PM

Jun 2025

Which is an admission that whatever reasons he gave for what he did were lies.

tanyev

(48,579 posts)

2. I think it was mostly the feeling of "I'm the President! I want to blow stuff up!!!"

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:59 PM

Jun 2025

J_William_Ryan

(3,284 posts)

3. "...it wasn't to 'make America great' or for that matter, make the world a safer place."

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:03 PM

Jun 2025

Correct.

It likely started with Trump’s racist obsession with President Obama, during whose administration the 2015 JCPOA accord was codified – Trump’s withdraw from the treaty eliminated President Obama’s accomplishment.

Johnny2X2X

(23,670 posts)

4. This was theater

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:09 PM

Jun 2025

He warned Iran weeks ago.

Norrrm

(3,875 posts)

5. After the weakness and humiliation he showed at both the parade and G7, he wants to look tough.

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:25 PM

Jun 2025

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,730 posts)

6. Non-Abrahamic cultures need to tell all these Abrahamic (aryan) kooks

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:39 PM

Jun 2025

to fucking knock it off. The world needs a break from this religious insanity. Religious people need to fucking grow up, and stop acting like APES.

Jack Valentino

(4,251 posts)

7. Trump hoped for a "rah rah rally round the flag!" reaction from the American people,

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:38 PM

Jun 2025

who tend to rally around the President in times of war....

But he has miscalculated the reaction of his own base,
who are mostly very much opposed to any more foreign war actions at this time....

His poll ratings are sure to tank even further, than they have already...

("when you've lost Marjorie Taylor Green and Tucker Carlson...." )

Hugin

(37,320 posts)

8. I've seen a lot of chatter today...

Reply to Septua (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:43 PM

Jun 2025

Except for ONE thing. Trump's little boondoggle revealed the attack profile of the US B2 fleet. Sure, the Iranians didn't fire a shot... This time. But, rest assured they had every Russian and Chinese made sensor they could muster trained on those bombers as they made deep holes in the desert.

There will be very accurate shots fired in the future.