Bad bad woman.

She'd be a consummate professional in that case... IMHO, it would explain quite a lot of the behavior we see from MSM

At least we'll have good company in the labor camps.

She is a human remora. It is a fish that attach themselves to sharks and feed on
the left overs from what the shark eats. Attacking Vice President Harris for speaking
the truth about,Trump says more about Tur than about Vice President Harris.

Yep, there seems to be a lot of that going on, yes indeed...a lot.🤔

Nothing you posted said anything like that. As for Tur, I can't stand her and she makes a habit out of bashing Dems.

News to me.

MSM is just slinging shite.

She is a tool of trump

And that's why I call her Katy Turd.

MAGAts couldn't start any home business.

Was it credits, or deductions. I remember credits. But you're right, it didn't appeal to the masses. It would have helped yoga class startups, but mostly been banked by corporate wives operating a retail operation for the dual income household tax deductions, very common event already.

Harris was all about economics. The con artist flat out ran on racism, sexism, bigotry and the grievances of White men.

The approval rating of economy was around 40%. Normally that percentage is what an incumbent administration would expect to get in the popular vote. Harris got around 48% of the vote because. Harris was not able to over come the negative polling on the economy

Whaaa-whaaa-whaaa... more whining about needing to "fall in love" with our candidate who needs to "earn our vote" and needs to give voters "something to vote FOR" rather than to "vote against". What simple-minded crap is she spinning now?

Fuck her and fuck this rewriting history.

Kamala and Walz ran on what looked like Hope and Change 2.0, which, given the uphill battle they had before them, I can't necessarily blame them for trying something out of the ordinary.

But it didn't work, because -- contrary to what some fucking idiots have said over the past decade -- it is much easier to vote against something than for something.

The Biden administration was the most progressive administration in most of our lives -- and it didn't end up mattering one fucking bit.

economic issues like inflation, etc. Too much "economy is great," "I wouldn't change anything," and trump is evil.

Not only did we lose electoral vote, but also the popular vote. That hasn't happened in quite awhile.

The only concrete proposals I remember were $50K for first time home buyers, agreeing to support trump's plan to reduce taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security. I'm sure there were others, but not much of consequence. Beating trump was a big issue for me and other Dems, but not voters as a whole.

Admire Harris' valiant effort and tireless campaigning, but it was a tough situation that we shouldn't have been forced into.

When 60% of the country doesn’t have a thousand bucks saved for an emergency who did she think could qualify for a home loan?

I think our politicians have been so separated from the general public they just can’t comprehend people are deciding between utilities and food so buying a house seems like a taunt to them

No. I recall the buzz word of Harris' campaign was JOY. I sadly feel that racism and misogyny kept people from voting for her. There was much more she could have pounded on if it was focused on only negativity. My god, Vance is doing that "eating the pets" schtick again.

Hope to hear more from you.

A lot of voters that aren't all that interested in politics because they hear that Hillary was sure thing because of the polls.
And a lot felt the same about Kamala and the thought that "Nobody in their right mind will vote for Trump." So, lets go out to dinner and a movie rather than waste our time voting for a sure thing."

and if you think it is bad now just wait til 2026.

And America's far right media will cover it over by saying Dems didn't come out to vote etc. and Americans will regurgitate that line.

There should have been TV ads hammering Trump for the following, but I never saw a one:

Mr. Obama, in a speech two weeks before election day, pointing out that Trump inherited the great Obama economy, then, by botching the Covid pandemic, brought the economy crashing down. This should have been a TV ad starting one day after the Democratic Convention.

The Republicans torpedoing the Bi-partisan Border Bill.

Jan 6th / His inciting an insurrection... dead and injured police;

Botching the Covid pandemic and the resulting negative economic consequences;

Sam Elliot narration - Draft-dodger Donald - his anti-veteran statements.(Sam Elliot did a web ad for Kamala).

Trump's felony and other convictions;

Trump not returning stolen top secret documents;

Trump says "climate change is a Chinese hoax"; Then show wildfires, etc.

Ms. Harris' age vs Trump's age > Dementia?

Sam Elliot narration - Trump: The biggest "Sore-loser, cry-baby" of all time.

Anti-Semitic guests at Mar-A-Lago & Tucker Carlson;
Many others.
I blame and don't understand the "Let's go easy on Trump" strategy???

If anything, they weren't hard enough on him.

No looking it up! It has to have been prominent enough and important enough that you can bring it to mind clearly from memory.

It's hard to be positive when you are being attacked with lies and negativity. But, under the circumstances, Kamala did about as well as could be expected, in my opinion.

Kamala ran a happy joyous campaign.
She did do some warning about Trump, but that was not the focus at all.

that they mocked her for her laugh. Of course, like Hillary, she was a woman so no matter what she did they'd mock her. If she was serious, they'd mock that too.

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Didn't suck ass. But the American media sucks ass. Katy is worthless and was exposed as a Trump insider by Cohen.

Not that I want to defend a know-nothing like Tur, but I do feel the "existential threat" rhetoric was not wise when directed toward the average American. Too nebulous, too "in the weeds".
And, as to the things being proposed to help Americans, I think the message was directed toward people like us who stay plugged into this stuff on a daily basis.
On cost of living, it should have been "Here's what I would do AND this guy's tariffs will make things worse." No details, no numbers. Just make him the opposite of what he was selling.
Was there some negative campaigning? Yes. I think we did it wrong.

Who Trump was was known by everyone. What he did in his first term was known, the crimes he and his company committed were known. The election was between two very different versions of the US. It can also be seen as a referendum on Trump.

I suspect that the keys to understanding the election are two things.

The first is that there is a large right wing bubble that has many outlets, all telling the same story. Their stories are lies, mis characterizations and character assignations of anyone not on their side. They attacked Democrats and even non MAGA Republicans, who had shown integrity , commitment and love of country. Even when their goals were 180 degrees from ours, it was because their values, which were in line with their actions, were 180 degrees from ours. Democracy needs people to have facts they agree on, differing on what to do based on those facts. That block was very motivated to get out and vote. They actually believe that Trump was both a great President and unfairly persecuted and threatened with jail.

The second problem was that we felt enormous relief when Biden took office and nominated a cabinet of qualified people. We relaxed further as he reassured the world, led an economic recovery better than any economist thought possible, and with narrowest margins passed legislation that was sorely needed. Meanwhile, January 6 and other Trump felonies were exposed and even though the courts slow walked things, he was convicted in NY of felonies and the other crimes were laid out in great detail. Yet even before the terrible debate, Trump was outpolling Biden and Biden had very low approval. Still, we really did not believe people would vote a convicted felon as President. We were the side with less fear of losing and less motivated.

As to motivation, both sides more and more see the other side in charge as not just a setback towards moving on our goals, but an existential danger to what our country is.

and the rightwing media bubble put us at a disadvantage at every turn. The situation was complicated, and needed an aggressive, simple approach. Go on offense, then say what you will do. Rinse. Repeat. The thing is I think she and her team did that, but it wasn't presented that way in most of the media.

Where are your proposals to help average Americans?
Your mouth could say those things if it was important to you.
It does take such courage to mock from the Peanut Gallery.
But not so much if you get paid for it.
Shit-Stick is a lucrative job. Stir Away, but Go Away.
Opinion is worth next to nothing. But you are still cashing in.
Lying should have Consequences.

There's no merit to whatever her take is on anything and pretty much a fraud like her old ex implied.

to be authored by the "winners." Thus, there is really no chance that both President Biden and VP Harris would not be attacked at this time. Parasites look for hosts.

I had initially wanted then Senator Harris to be our candidate in 2020. I thought she would do best in debating the felon. But I had no problem switching to Joe Biden. Heck, I had wanted him for president for decades. In 2024, I supported President Biden. When VP Harris became our party's candidate, I found it uncomfortable. But I understood why, and was happy to support VP Harris.

In their debate, I thought VP Harris was as good as any candidate in my lifetime. Nothing any journalist ever says will change the great respect I have for President Biden and VP Harris.

She is bought & sold corporatist

childcare is free in many nations around the world. Indeed most necessary things are free, at the point of use, in many countries. And in some countries where they’re trying to put a price at the point of use, the governments are meeting pushback.

I remember learning about that in a lecture during college. Women's magazines were putting out "quick 'n easy" recipes and there was a coordinated social effort --spearheaded by the government--to make women feel guilty for NOT leaving their children and going to work for the war effort.

Of course, when the war was over and "the boys" were back home, "real women" stayed home and worn cinched-waist dresses when they weren't producing three to five children. I'm not saying that those young men didn't sacrifice for their country; of course they did. But women have always been expected to sacrifice while being told to smile and look nice the whole effing time.

Anyway, I don't want to get off into a long, drawn out tangent. Here's an article that talks about government-supported childcare during WWII.

U.S. Government-Funded Child Care During WWII.

so I'm not sure how many read it. But in some ways it seemed worse than the other comments. Just totally out of touch and tone deaf while she is scolding Kamala for not speaking to the people.

He knows her very well, indeed. I'll bet he'll have a few choice words to say about this.

keep watching them, in essence, supporting them? Is this a Stockholm Syndrome thing?

but katy tur is full of shit.

krasnov's campaign was of course so positive. they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats. marauding hordes of rapists and murderers coming to your neighborhood soon because democrats want open borders. they'll tax you into poverty. she's stupid, she's not white! she's female!

fuck tur.

Katy Tur is not a credible source.

She ‘s a faux centrist right wing shill.

There all sorts of concrete things that Harris and walz talked about.

Media didn't care.

Some voters didn't want to vote for that "uppity black woman"...nothing about policy mattered.

Plus people like Katie Turd never talked about how disastrous the felons policies would be...tariffs, project 2025, etc. when the felon lied and said I'm not connected to project 2025 they just pushed it under the rug

Fuck Katie Turd and her hypocritical lying

I think her dad is trans so right there shows her allegiance.

(Him then, her now)
She will probably always have a job waiting at Fox.

is a Fool's Errand. The results of the election made no sense, except that a slight majority of citizens of the United States are moronic, dishonest, dis compassionate assholes.

There is no magic formula to change that.

Kamala ran a positive campaign. She was going to do a lot. She talked about it. She did voice concern over trump but wasn't negative. He is far worse than we imagined. We lose! This is why I can't watch MSNBC anymore!

including DURING the campaigns.

If the Democratic ticket only talk about themselves, they're not drawing enough contrast with the opponent or pointing out his flaws.
If they do draw the contrast and point out those flaws, they're bashing the other guy and not being positive in presenting their own policy positions.

If they draw very specific policy proposals with great details and white papers, they're making laundry lists and losing voters with too many words when simple bumper sticker messenges would resonate.
If they boil it down to a few specifics, then they aren't being clear, they haven't explained why they're running, and nobody hears what they're offering.

If they offer things voters like, there's something wrong with how they did it -- how they talk, dress, laugh, or maybe a word out of place!
The other guy talks out of both sides of his mouth, has all the decorum of a bratty 6-year-old, and lies constantly, but they're not supposed to mention that too much, or we're back to the top...

... because she's too stupid to write her own. Maybe it's Chuck Todd, if he's still working there? I don't know.

Sure as hell sounds like it---she's definitely got her Democrat-bashing kicked into high gear.

Helpful hint to Ms. Tur: Donald Trump is bad---as in, the very worst, most destructive, brain-dead president this country has ever experienced.

... took her 30 pieces of silver for whatever integrity she might have had, and now spews whatever right-wing drivel she's fed by her corporate masters. If she said the sky was blue, I'd get a second opinion.

It’s not about the message or candidate. Republican voters are high on hate and cruelty. They’ve been told for 50 years that the government gives thousands to welfare moms and their 20 kids and that all their problems are due to black and brown people. We must recognize that 77 million people don’t know what democracy is , but they hate it. They prefer a circus act and a dictatorship.

It’s not her fault!

Stop, already.

Just another shitty rich person....

Harris had to be perfect while drump just had to know the difference between a cow and a chicken.

That's not my take on it.

IMO. I can't stand her show.

Katy should have educated herself and voters in 2024. Instead, she makes excuses for her failure (as a 'journalist') to shed light on the truth.

she has horrible, ill-informed takes on every issue.

Who is her audience? People who forget to change the channel while waiting for Nicolle's show to start?

msnbc is a front of some kind because they couldn't care less about ratings.

Turd is rewriting history.

It's classic propaganda. Note that donnie objectively a horrible president, a horrible candidate, a convicted felon, and incompetent monster, etc. the media should have been screaming their heads off, sounding 5 alarm emergency about what a disaster donnie would be.

So to criticize Harris for supposedly campaigning on the "donnie is bad" narrative is a way for a propagandist to erase or dismiss that narrative. If it isn't false. It's a losing narrative. Who cares if it's true.

If turd was around when some people were saying "the British are coming", turd would be saying they seem friendly and why be negative?

I've often thought that the corporate media is trying, through comments like these, to dissuade Dems from criticizing trump. It tries to paint valid, truthful attacks as some tired narrative so that Dems back off. Unfortunately, some Dems seem to fall for it.

agree with her on anything!