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Them: We need to get the youth to show up to vote!

Also Them: Wait, no, not like that.

Fascinating that Mandani refused to dwell on the I/P issue at all - always circling back to affordability issues which Harris was quite good at too.

Dem analysts need to drill down on the granularity of this. He managed to walk the tightrope that she failed at. Obviously the mayor of NYC has zero foreign policy responsibility unlike the US presidential team that Harris was a part of but I’d bet something in the way he’s messaging can be adopted for 2026

I do not think the Democratic Party has ever turned out people who are for the Status Quo. That is the GOP's steady voter roll.
Weh have aways done best when the party wants to improve prove lives and make things better. Think Roosevelt, Carter, Clinton, and Obama. Biden did a lot but did not really run on it as far as the general public knew.

Republicans want someone else's life to be worse

Think of all the things we were called during the Viet Nam era whereas they were the only ones in the "He.Man Woman Haters Club" and the only ones that were Macho Macho Men

That is what we need to build on. The party that cares not the party that takes. Except of course from the greedy billionaires and almost trillionaires.

then again, I don't believe that they can read anything bigger than a bumpersticker,
or a crawl on Faux News....

Those are now classified as too woke

In light of the fact that the average reading grade-level is between 7th and 8th grades. Approximately 54% of the country can only read material that’s BELOW a 6th grade complexity. 😵‍💫🤦‍♂️

Republicans have TRULY fucked the education system, and dumbed down the population in their quest for power. After all, their main voting constituency is the stupids.

I’m going to ask my triple Trump evangelical mother to pray for me to be less empathetic.

Did so much good but how does that get communicated when every news outlet never makes any mention of the good done by a Democrat.
I use the example of the amount of air time Krasnov was given for the 2016 election. He was on constantly and very rarely was Hillary given any time. Except for " but her emails"
In 2015 I was working with a young man 21-22 years old, he is thoughtful, intelligent and creative. At that time you could still discuss candidates without fights. He said, based on the reporting, he just cannot for Hillary because "can't trust her". He didn't like Krasnov much but not being able to trust Hillary was his reason for not voting for her. He voted for Jill Stein!

He received more votes in 2020 than 2016 and more votes in 2024 than he received in 2020. Scary.

the 2024 election...........

Just deflect
I still see the House coming back next year. But I'd like to see a 30+ seat swing

They voted based upon values. That's not a one time deal, it's an every time deal.

As far as I can see, Democratic Socialists look and sound like FDR Democrats. Values and issues.

I was just finishing an essay to post, based upon all the good that Leland Olds did under FDR, when he was governor and then president. Olds' projects brought electricity and running water to families in rural areas. He was a minister, who practiced Liberation Theology, became a railroad workers union advocated, before working for FDR.

The moderate Republicans went for Trump.
You have to assume some portion of those young people were Bernie supporters.
So, young Progressives voted for Biden in 2020.
Will Moderates vote for Mamdani and back up young Progressives who have been engaged in record numbers?
Or will they give them cause to become disenchanted again?

with both the two most likely candidates and almost all polling showed Cuomo pretty far ahead. Maybe they were comfortable with Cuomo winning without their vote.

The younger generations dont take unkown calls. They were good 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, they started to loose their edge in the 90s. The networks used to have one pollster they shared, they totally missed the mark in NJ either 92 or 96. I majored in Statistics and I've been folliwing polls for decades. The lower response rates, and the rise of push polls really muddy the waters. We have to stop focusing on micro targeting and trying to just inch over the line. We have to become a rational liberal party and run on a broad campaign on rising prosperity and wellness for a broad swath of our society. I am sad we ran on gimmicks, $25k tax credit to buy a house was a gimmick not a broad policy proposal.

But polls haven't been way off recently either. The last 3 presidential elections they were within the margin of error.

Pick it up when they call.

They called me in 2020 two weeks before election day. I picked up because it was clear to me it was them.

Maybe just reassess your methods!
But no national poll had Harris winning up to the end. The best we ever got was a tie

I suspect she somehow analyzed bad data - that many Democrats/2020 Biden voters polled were accidentally misclassified as Republicans/2020 Trump voters and a result the polling universe unknowingly heavily oversampled Democrats - that's the only explanation I can think of for how a poll could be off that much.

money at a problem, making everything even more expensive.

Our party has a history of believing there is a mandate where none exists. Cuomo is damaged goods. My only take away, hopefully he know understands his political career has come to its end.

Our party has a history of believing there is a mandate where none exists. Cuomo is damaged goods. My only take away, hopefully he know understands his political career has come to its end.

... young voters! I think they don't want their "immigrant" friends deported to foreign prisons, don't mind gay people, and personally see the line to get your sex organs chopped off so you can play better volleyball is very small.

The times, they are a-changin'

But it's when I see the orange haired imbecile that has his boot on our country. Whether we like it or not, the whole world is sliding toward authoritarianism.

The next two elections are going to spell the fate of America and determine what your children will inherit.

All good, but let’s not forget that the NYC demographic is not typical of the Nation.

That this guy and his message motivated this particular demographic is incredible.

I refuse to diminish this. If Dems can replicate this elsewhere we’d actually win every election…

And continue to trash Joe Biden and Kamala Harris now, I will just post here and scream for a while.

has a good plan to fight the socialist/communist attacks. The repubs are already going that route which makes me sick. They need to explain how many of our social programs are socialist in nature. It's time to put this way of thinking to rest.

Got on board and helped with that talking point.

Our income inequality is unsustainable. The time to laser focus on affordability and cost of living is now, especially as Republicans rush to make that gap even wider. Stop shitting on him for nuanced I/P phrasing.

(Mamdani isn’t the first to face this apathy about that messaging issue - AOC and Bernie have pounded the affordability message for years, with minimal help from other Dems imo).

A Mamdani win will put AOC & Bernie's message on the front page at exactly the right time to build momentum for the next round of elections.

We need this star to shine.

More of this please

The wealthy dont spend pn mainstreet. Tgey spend slower and often shuffle tgeir loot within their own inbred cohort. Biden took a first step w the child tax credit payed monthly. 250 per kid per month plys +50 for under 5 years of age. That money really helped with our COVID revovery. Then the GOP blocked its renewal and ww just stopped talking about it.

... city run grocery stores. Not sure how that fits into the plan against socialist / communist attacks.

With the government being the nation's largest employer, is it safe to say we have socialism in our sites and it is who we are.

other Dems would refer to themselves as Social Democrats instead of Democratic Socialists. To me, it's a distinction without much of a difference but to many others, Democratic Socialist is just shortened to Socialist and carries all kinds of baggage.

the population of eligible voters still skews older.

Democrats need strong showings from all ages to win general elections, but the demographic facts are that there are fewer 18 - 44 year olds than 45 and ups in this country.

Young Dems ragging on their elders (or vice versa) is the way to lose in perpetuity.

each other. This is why David Hogg was a problem for me.

There is too much Democrat bashing on this website.

And yet, we have to appeal to every age group. Clearly, we need to appeal to the youth more because the older people are watching Faux Noise and voting for fascism.

We need something new. This is likely it.

They should rag on their elders. We have royally fucked up their lives.

30-45: Obama 52, McCain 46
45-59: Obama 49, McCain 49
60+ : McCain 51 Obama 47

Even in a wave election we need younger voters to compensate for the Republican bias of voters 45 years and over.

And I say that as no fan of Zohan.

the 30-45 group, they voted (according to one study) 52 Harris, 45 fRump. This doesn't take into account the % who voted and many other factors, but the change over time is interesting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

That’s AWESOME. Young people came out to vote. We NEED this.

This country wants a democracy. Don't say you represent us if you will go to great lengths to tell us how wrong we were when we voted. This IS the people speaking. Listen.

20 something kids are so pissed off at the Democratic leadership.
I told them even if they aren't doing their jobs, it's a choice between evil and good.
And if they EVER voted for a fucking repuke, I'd come back and haunt them.

Have grown tired of the older ones bullsh$t. They are now getting involved. Perhaps the DNC should pay closer attention?!

the heat was brutal and frankly it might well have been hard for older people to leave to vote.

are bitching about who got it. The old Dem money has a problem now. This is only the start of a new Democratic party.

paging hogg- yes bring it!!!

Exceptions abound.

I can't think of any Wisconsin politician destined for Senate or President or Vice President.

We need people who know how to take on real issues AND tsf.

You cannot compare the voting block of a Democratic mayoral primary in NYC as anything indicative of any kind of national trend.

I would have been surprised if he didn't win that primary given where it was located.

We bitch about how notoriously unreliable that age cohort is to get to the polls but Mamdani did it. If the Dem establishment dismisses this as some kind of outlier or unimportant or not applicable nationally like you just did, we deserve to lose.

Dems must figure out how to reach, and motivate, the 18-24 yr old demographic.

Study this guy and how he did it. I firmly believe our way back to any kind of electoral victory lies through Mamdani’s kind of messaging on affordability, income inequality etc.

Don't confuse the 18-24 year old voter in a NYC Democratic primary with a similarly aged average voter in the US general election.

Worlds different,

And this has never happened.

Again, dismiss it at our peril.

..... voters are finally seeing (if you can believe these charts) that THEIR FUTURE depends on getting in the fight. Throw the old geezers out (I'm 78 so I can say that) and let's get the youngsters fighting against tRump and his "I WANT TO BE A KING" bullshit.

We are sending monthly checks to LeaderWeDeserve. No more ACTBLUE dissemination to candidates I have NEVER HEARD of.

We have been getting 12 to 20 solicitation emails a day. ENOUGH is ENOUGH.

I'll be tempted to become an independent after a lifelong dedication to the party. I used to be frusstrated with Bernie for remaining an Independent. Now I get it. I might remain to be able to vote in primaries, but I won't be supporting the party in other ways if they can't respect a duly elected Progressive primary winner.

I don't need to throw out the old people. Bernie can stay. It's not about age. It's about changing with the times and meeting the present moment.

If you give young people the option of voting for someone who represents them, they obviously vote. We need to move beyond the stick-in-the-mud thinking that loses elections.

Some YouTuber will post this sh6t regularly and we're supposed to eat it up? Call me skeptical.

Not some random YouTuber

What a f6cking letdown. The Iowa polling......

She was basically making an educated guess (which turned out to be really wrong).

These are actual voting stats from the NYC primary.

Apples to oranges.

Waking up to that 5'5" fraud Joe Rogaine.

We should celebrate the participation of younger voters without using it as a reason to fight within our party.

We don't have to agree with every Democrat all the time, but we shouldn't lose our focus on who and what we are fighting. This isn't necessarily a generational fight, it is fight about right versus wrong.

not to support a candidate overwhelmingly elected in a primary because they deem him too Progressive.
I've been hearing for years moderate Dems accusing Progressives staying home for presidential general elections and therefore being responsible for a loss. So when I hear Democrats criticizing the mayoral nominee in a way that could damage his campaign, it rankles--especially given the other choices.

I agree with your point:

The risk is handing a weapon to the Right in order to paint all Democrats as radical communists. That is what they are good at - and with AI their propaganda weapons are formidable.

They called Biden a Communist too. When they don't have that, they make up secret sex rings or drinking the blood of children.

It's going to be a whole lot worse when they can quote Democrats atttacking him. Republicans will use Gillebrand's interview against Mamdani, it doesn't matter if she was inaccurate, or what she walks back.
The Democratic leaders are already convincing Democrats not to vote for him.

Let this guy get elected and he'll show why we don't have to fear a Muslim or a Democratic Socialist.
Defeat this guy and we'll have 1 of 2 candidates who can be compromised by Trump, and young Democrats will go elsewhere or stay home again.

They were instrumental in defeating the Truth Mobile school board candidates in May, and really stood up and fought against the Commissioners Court debacle - even though they knew it was a lost cause.

They made some great speeches in the town halls and during the court sessions as well.

The movement started with something very similar to the Big Nasty Bill in our Congress.

I’ve never understood why young people don’t vote. They have the most to gain or lose in every election. I voted one month after turning 18, and have never missed one. Anyway, very happy to see this.

Sorry, that won't do a thing to help Democrats regain the majority.

That will strengthen our party. AOC primaryed and replaced a Dem and that has strengthened our party exponentially.

Hogg is suggesting more of that.

I agree. Furthermore I believe young voters are showing us they want that. At least here they are.

In this NYC mayoral primary the Democratic big $$ and endorsements went to a stale sex pest with a horrendous history on managing Covid. Even now that Cuomo’s been slapped back by voters, Mamdani *our Democratic candidate*, can’t get support from Dem establishment leaders like Jeffries, Gillenbrand etc.

It makes zero sense for anyone to claim two opposing things at the same time. If the party has gotten "exponentially" stronger because of some miracle candidate, then we're stronger... not weaker. But... if we're weaker, as is ALSO claimed, then how does that fit in with the previous claim? Both things can't be true at the same time. This is not the Schrodinger Party, is it?

One for one substitutions will NOT put the Democrats in control. If we do not have the majority, then it doesn't matter how "PERFECT" our elected leaders are... without having the majority, the GOP still controls everything. His "plan" is poorly thought out.

Over the years, I remember hearing people say many times for various candidates "that they have to EARN someone's vote" or they have to EARN someone's endorsement and that people should vote FOR something rather than "against" something. I wonder if this applies to the others you mentioned who have disappointed you. I cannot speak to what they are thinking or what their reasoning may be (although I have some theories) however, I must say, it sounds like a double-standard for a privilege that many Democratic voters claim for themselves but are not willing to extend to others.

Are you saying having AOC as a MOC doesn’t help Dems? That Dems shouldn’t try to attract more candidates like her or Mamdani? I just used her as an example but I’m not at all sure what you mean here.

I’ll ask you to point out tho where I (or whoever) ever said the Dem party is “weaker” (than what?) I’m not sure what that means.

You appear to be saying that anyone who makes proposals they believe might strengthen the appeal of the Democratic party is…”lying”? “Smearing”?

And honestly I have no idea what your last paragraph is getting at

I think that’s a misrepresentation to present that as his focus

He isn't political, but liked the idea of free bus rides.

Its that they have hardly had anybody theyve seen worth voting for.

What percentage of votes did each candidate receive? (Maybe it's already mentioned in this long thread... hard to tell.)

Now how do the Democrats find candidates that can generate that kind of enthusiasm in 2026 and 2028?

In my opinion it's not his positions that brought those young people out. It was his brand of populism and his youthfulness. It's a rare quality that took Obama to the White House twice.

The party needs to remind these demographics that if they want better futures, they stay true to their primary turnout. The Party must remind them:
Primary votes are about who you love.
General votes are about the greater "good" of the two packages offered, not about any third party, not about
single issues, the party's front runner, or the "lesser of two evils."