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An interesting article on Mamdani. I didnt know that some other cities are contemplating the city-owned grocery. His appeal to younger voters should have the traditionalists in the Democratic Party taking note. We do not need the same old tired election messages of the past, we need to reassure younger voters that they have a future.
Mamdanis ideas are not pie-in-the-sky. The rent guidelines board, appointed by the mayor, voted 0% increases on some leases in 2015, 2016, and on all leases in 2020, during the pandemic. Democratic mayor Bill De Blasio got universal pre-kindergarten staffed, funded, and full almost immediately upon election in 2014.
Chicago and Atlanta may be moving ahead with municipal groceries. A 2023 pilot program waiving fares on five New York bus routes was largely successful, and its failures can inform the next attempt.
How would Mamdani pay for all this? Impose a 2% tax on the top 1%residents earning more than $1m annually; and raise the top corporate tax rate to match neighboring New Jerseys, to 11.5% from 7.25%.
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Their [young people] jobs are precarious, their credit cards overcharged. They have no health insurance and wonder if theyll ever retire their student debt. They come from mixed immigration status families and imagine middle age on a broiling planet. And they are the young voters who turned out overwhelmingly for a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. If the Democrats want the same results, they need to offer these voters, who personify Americas troubled working and middle classes, a progressive vision.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/01/democrats-zohran-mamdani
RandySF
(81,205 posts)The lesson plan can wait until November.
lees1975
(6,908 posts)big money, following a party Presidential election loss in which the evidence strongly suggests that the constituency that turned out for him did so in bigger numbers than they did for Harris in 2024.
murielm99
(32,703 posts)turned out for this primary. I always try to get voters to turn out for primaries in my precinct and community but primaries seem to have low turnout most of the time. I neither like nor dislike this man. Let's wait and see how he does.
AverageOldGuy
(3,364 posts)Every special election sine the 2024 presidential has been won by a young Democrat with a similar message.
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RandySF
(81,205 posts)And we have not every special election. 🗳️
whathehell
(30,363 posts)I don't know why the last poster withdrew his or her comment, but I agree with it wholeheartedly.
JI7
(93,232 posts)but lost working class and lower income and black and Hispanic votes.
He got south asians and muslims to vote for him by bringing up the common connection . He got them to get their relatives to vote. His mother works in the film industry and they got people like Kal Penn to support him. And other Indians that mostly people of south Asian would be familiar with and follow.
betsuni
(28,729 posts)There will be no pointless takeover of the Democratic Party, no populist revolution that old meanie Democrats are somehow preventing with identity politics. .
Tadpole Raisin
(1,891 posts)costs are much less. Maine voted down the public electric utility option at the last election due to lots of ads and heavy public lobbying from CMP.
It doesnt mean it is always good if they dont set it up or run it properly but look at SS and Medicare - very low administrative costs and Wall Street wants in! Theres lots of money to be made in that so you know thats not good for us.
So whether it is SSA and Medicare, or utilities, cable and internet - done properly Im all for it.
MichMan
(16,645 posts)Minimum wage is currently $16.50.
That is a huge game changer as a couple working full time will make at a minimum $125,000 per year with no child care costs, frozen rent and much cheaper groceries. Not only will the city be collecting a substantially higher amount of city income taxes, most of the anti poverty funding for the working poor will no longer be needed.
Give voters a choice between Democrats doubling their income, while slashing their costs of living, or Republicans kidnapping people, and giving billionaires tax cuts and it seems pretty obvious which one people will vote for.
Ray Bruns
(5,985 posts)betsuni
(28,729 posts)Gore1FL
(22,848 posts)Other than Clinton/Gore, we've lost every time we tried that.
Bluetus
(2,313 posts)Clinton won in 1992 because of Perot, period.
Incumbents usually win a second term (*) if they don't have a complete meltdown, and Dole was not a strong opponent in 1996.
And let's remember that Carville was the main advisor, and he is still giving that same 1990s advice as if nothing has changed in 35 years.
* The only ones who lost a run for second term in the past 100 years were Carter, Bush I, and Trump. Carter had the OPEC thing. Bush and Perot. And Trump had COVID.
SocialDemocrat61
(6,870 posts)That is a myth and a GOP talking point. Every study ever done proved the Perot pulled from both Clinton and Bush.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-ross-perot-myth/
betsuni
(28,729 posts)That Gore, HRC and Harris ran as "Republican lite" because they lost is absurd and offensive and wrong. Anyone who agrees knows nothing about Democrats and the progressive records of those three candidates.
Gore1FL
(22,848 posts)Gore picked Lieberman.
HRC campaigned directly to the center and picked moderate safe-choice Kaine
Harris had numerous campaign events with Liz Cheney.
Maybe they should have run on their progressive records.
betsuni
(28,729 posts)Obama's VP choice was between Kaine and Biden, he chose Biden.
Democrats are the progressive party and that is their record. What did run on that was to the center so much that they were "Republican lite"?
Gore1FL
(22,848 posts)The Democrats have been looking "between the 40-yard lines" since 1984. I gave examples. I can give more. There are many examples of Democrats trying to appease magical moderates.
Remember when Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt ran to the White to see who could roll-over the fastest before we invaded Iraq?
BannonsLiver
(20,282 posts)Get their hackles up anytime someone mentions an ill advised answer to a question that got turned into a highly effective TV ad that ran on a loop during football games televised in swing states for months. They dismiss it, Like it was a total non factor.
Meanwhile, 2 brief campaign appearances with an ardent Trump critic who happened to be a Republican threw the election to Trump. 🙄
bdamomma
(69,176 posts)nt
eppur_se_muova
(41,008 posts)Only collect fares where it doesn't delay passenger boarding too much, and throughput will be smoother.
mopinko
(73,319 posts)we did get a couple stores, whole foods iirc, on city owned property w big incentives, in poor hoods. they didnt last long. they had huge theft and other crime issues.
now hes trying to get city subsidized farmers markets.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/02/12/city-pitches-idea-for-public-market-after-dropping-plans-for-city-owned-grocery-store/
we already have a robust system of farmers markets that were started by daley the younger. but they r pretty much all in more well-to-do hoods.
purple_haze
(401 posts)Scrivener7
(58,375 posts)JT45242
(3,835 posts)Well, to all but the millionaires who would have to pay their fair share.
They would be popular at nearly 80% approval regardless of party affiliation
There might be some traditional republicans who push back against increasing the corporate tax rate but that is easily framed to returning to XXX. Again, this isn't fair share taxing at 15% or higher.
lapucelle
(20,950 posts)Similarly, while Mayor DiBlasio deserves kudos for his excellent implementation NYS's universal pre-k statute, it was a NYS law and state and federal funding that allowed him to put his plan into action.
I guess it is an ultimate irony that it was Governor Andrew Cuomo who secured the funding for Mayor DiBlasio's gold-standard program.
De Blasio had proposed raising taxes on New Yorkers earning more than $500,000 annually to fund Universal Pre-K, which had earned him the wrath of Wall Street and the business sector, who already consider their tax burden too high in New York City.
Since January, the mayor has been leading a media campaign to support the initiative to serve 53,000 children starting next September with the start of the next school year in the city.
Amid the struggle against employers, complicated by rivalries between Democrats, Governor Cuomo took up the gauntlet and included the project in the 2014-2015 state budget to the city guaranteeing nearly all the money required. (De Blasio had initially estimated the program would cost $ 340 million)
"The state has taken a historic and powerful decision that will change the lives of tens of thousands of children," said De Blasio to celebrate the first great achievement of his administration.
https://alignny.org/press/de-blasio-wins-bid-for-universal-pre-k-in-new-york-city/
https://www.nysed.gov/sites/default/files/programs/early-learning/family-faqs.pdf
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The Democratic mayoral hopeful promises free child care, a $30 minimum wage and a massive tax hike on the citys corporations. But much is not within a mayors control.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/28/nyregion/mamdani-policies-economy-housing-buses-childcare.html
Cha
(316,891 posts)thought crime
(1,229 posts)There is a big problem though. Corporations and wealthy individuals often blackmail communities by threatening to leave or take other actions if there is any threat of increased taxes or other inconvenience. They may even demand subsidies or other special treatment for their own interests. Mamdani is going to have to deal with this.
Seattle saw something like this several years ago when the city council, driven by Socialist Kshama Sawant, proposed a tax on large companies to provide more affordable housing: https://labornotes.org/2020/07/lessons-amazon-tax-victory-seattle
twodogsbarking
(17,589 posts)Keep it fucked up rather than consider changing.
SpankMe
(3,658 posts)Regarding the city-run grocery idea - it's not unheard of for the state to operate certain types of business for various reasons. Several states - even a few red ones - operate ALL liquor stores within the state. The consensus in those states is that they're better and have wider selections than privately owned liquor stores.
Also, the idea of city-owned groceries has been floated in inner-city areas that are classified as food deserts. It is an excellent idea. This is something that a state or a city should experiment with and see how it goes.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)In politics there's always give and take, negotiations, finding common ground, compromise. If anyone is actually expecting him to simply make king-like declarations and edicts... then they will be disappointed.
EDIT: Oh good... I see someone has already give a much more thorough explanation above.
BannonsLiver
(20,282 posts)
lapucelle
(20,950 posts)with subsidies in the form of monies granted in his city-owned grocery store plan.
It costs less than half of what the city is already spending on subsidizing corporate supermarkets without any guarantee of cheaper prices, any guarantee of collective bargaining agreements or that they accept SNAP or WIC," said Mamdani.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/critics-zohran-mamdanis-plan-nyc-run-grocery-stores-here-are-facts/6321296/
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NYC's FRESH program currently supports convenient, accessible grocery stores in under-served neighborhoods ( "food deserts" ) through tax breaks. The city has funded FRESH with $4 million in grants, but the $140 million in "revenue invested" by NYC is largely in the form of tax subsidies, not monies granted.
https://www.nyc.gov/content/planning/pages/our-work/plans/citywide/food-retail-expansion-support-health-fresh
https://edc.nyc/program/food-retail-expansion-support-health-fresh
markpkessinger
(8,881 posts). . . His proposal is for a pilot program of just five such stores across the entire city. It is not a proposal to replace privately-owned supermarkets!
Dorian Gray
(13,846 posts)The lesson Dems can learn: Be authentic to who you are. Go on lots of shows. Be willing to be challenged. Positivity and a can do attitude. Meet the people where they are. Finally, focus on economics and making the city/state/country more livable.
(Mamdani has a great presence on the street.)
His policies are secondary.