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Lonestarblue

(13,233 posts)
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 06:21 AM Jul 2025

Here's what the Democrats can learn from Zohran Mamdani

An interesting article on Mamdani. I didn’t know that some other cities are contemplating the city-owned grocery. His appeal to younger voters should have the traditionalists in the Democratic Party taking note. We do not need the same old tired election messages of the past, we need to reassure younger voters that they have a future.

“Mamdani’s ideas are not pie-in-the-sky. The rent guidelines board, appointed by the mayor, voted 0% increases on some leases in 2015, 2016, and on all leases in 2020, during the pandemic. Democratic mayor Bill De Blasio got universal pre-kindergarten staffed, funded, and full almost immediately upon election in 2014.

Chicago and Atlanta may be moving ahead with municipal groceries. A 2023 pilot program waiving fares on five New York bus routes was largely successful, and its failures can inform the next attempt.”

How would Mamdani pay for all this? Impose a 2% tax on the top 1%–residents earning more than $1m annually; and raise the top corporate tax rate to match neighboring New Jersey’s, to 11.5% from 7.25%.

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“Their [young people] jobs are precarious, their credit cards overcharged. They have no health insurance and wonder if they’ll ever retire their student debt. They come from mixed immigration status families and imagine middle age on a broiling planet. And they are the young voters who turned out overwhelmingly for a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. If the Democrats want the same results, they need to offer these voters, who personify America’s troubled working and middle classes, a progressive vision.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/01/democrats-zohran-mamdani

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Here's what the Democrats can learn from Zohran Mamdani (Original Post) Lonestarblue Jul 2025 OP
He won a primary RandySF Jul 2025 #1
He won a primary in a heavily Democratic city over a traditional moderate candidate who had the support of lees1975 Jul 2025 #10
I thought only 30% of eligible voters murielm99 Jul 2025 #12
Harris lost the presidency on identity politics. AverageOldGuy Jul 2025 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jul 2025 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jul 2025 #17
Identity? RandySF Jul 2025 #19
I don't recall Harris running on her race or gender.. whathehell Jul 2025 #21
He ran on identity politics that's how he got Muslim and south Asian votes JI7 Jul 2025 #23
No. Myth that Democrats have no economic policies, only identity politics. That "ignore the working class" crap. betsuni Jul 2025 #36
It's like city or state owned utility companies where the administrative Tadpole Raisin Jul 2025 #2
Don't forget free child care and a $30 per hour minimum wage. MichMan Jul 2025 #3
What Democrats should learn is to stop trying to be Republican lite.. Ray Bruns Jul 2025 #4
How is the party doing that? betsuni Jul 2025 #9
Democrats have chased the non-existent "between the 40-yard-line voters since 1984. Gore1FL Jul 2025 #11
Exactly. And let's be clear about the Clinton wins Bluetus Jul 2025 #25
Clinton did not win because of Perot SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2025 #31
Democrats win when they follow unpopular Republican administrations. There is no both sides. betsuni Jul 2025 #28
They ran to the center. Gore1FL Jul 2025 #29
Oh, so now VP picks and talking to Liz Cheney loses elections. betsuni Jul 2025 #30
No. Going to the center does. Gore1FL Jul 2025 #32
Same folks who rail on the Cheney thing BannonsLiver Jul 2025 #33
exactly. bdamomma Jul 2025 #13
Fare-free main lines may very well CUT costs, and ease congestion. eppur_se_muova Jul 2025 #5
the idea has been scrapped in chgo. mopinko Jul 2025 #6
100% this purple_haze Jul 2025 #14
To whomever: seriously? That offended you? Scrivener7 Jul 2025 #7
Taxing those making over a million to pay for universal preK, free buses, and regulating rent hikes universal appeal JT45242 Jul 2025 #8
The NYC mayor cannot raise corporate and income taxes on his own. The mayor needs approval at the state level. lapucelle Jul 2025 #18
Mahalo for the Reality Check, lapucelle! 💙 Cha Jul 2025 #35
Also: City and County governments can be extremely effective. thought crime Jul 2025 #20
He doesn't seem to follow "we've always done it this way" and people don't like change. twodogsbarking Jul 2025 #22
Alcoholic beverage control states and food deserts SpankMe Jul 2025 #24
I do not believe he has the power to do that unilaterally. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2025 #26
He can do anything if you believe in the power of magic BannonsLiver Jul 2025 #34
Mamdani also appears to confuse subsidies in the form of tax breaks lapucelle Jul 2025 #38
We also need to be clear about what his city-owned grocery stores plan actually is . . . markpkessinger Jul 2025 #27
Personally I think it's the wrong lesson Dorian Gray Jul 2025 #37

lees1975

(6,908 posts)
10. He won a primary in a heavily Democratic city over a traditional moderate candidate who had the support of
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:05 AM
Jul 2025

big money, following a party Presidential election loss in which the evidence strongly suggests that the constituency that turned out for him did so in bigger numbers than they did for Harris in 2024.

murielm99

(32,703 posts)
12. I thought only 30% of eligible voters
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:30 AM
Jul 2025

turned out for this primary. I always try to get voters to turn out for primaries in my precinct and community but primaries seem to have low turnout most of the time. I neither like nor dislike this man. Let's wait and see how he does.

AverageOldGuy

(3,364 posts)
15. Harris lost the presidency on identity politics.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:43 AM
Jul 2025

Every special election sine the 2024 presidential has been won by a young Democrat with a similar message.

Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #15)

Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #15)

whathehell

(30,363 posts)
21. I don't recall Harris running on her race or gender..
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:03 AM
Jul 2025

I don't know why the last poster withdrew his or her comment, but I agree with it wholeheartedly.

JI7

(93,232 posts)
23. He ran on identity politics that's how he got Muslim and south Asian votes
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:27 AM
Jul 2025

but lost working class and lower income and black and Hispanic votes.

He got south asians and muslims to vote for him by bringing up the common connection . He got them to get their relatives to vote. His mother works in the film industry and they got people like Kal Penn to support him. And other Indians that mostly people of south Asian would be familiar with and follow.


betsuni

(28,729 posts)
36. No. Myth that Democrats have no economic policies, only identity politics. That "ignore the working class" crap.
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 03:29 AM
Jul 2025

There will be no pointless takeover of the Democratic Party, no populist revolution that old meanie Democrats are somehow preventing with identity politics. .

Tadpole Raisin

(1,891 posts)
2. It's like city or state owned utility companies where the administrative
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 06:40 AM
Jul 2025

costs are much less. Maine voted down the public electric utility option at the last election due to lots of ads and heavy public lobbying from CMP.

It doesn’t mean it is always good if they don’t set it up or run it properly but look at SS and Medicare - very low administrative costs and Wall Street wants in! There’s lots of money to be made in that so you know that’s not good for us.

So whether it is SSA and Medicare, or utilities, cable and internet - done properly I’m all for it.

MichMan

(16,645 posts)
3. Don't forget free child care and a $30 per hour minimum wage.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 06:48 AM
Jul 2025

Minimum wage is currently $16.50.

That is a huge game changer as a couple working full time will make at a minimum $125,000 per year with no child care costs, frozen rent and much cheaper groceries. Not only will the city be collecting a substantially higher amount of city income taxes, most of the anti poverty funding for the working poor will no longer be needed.

Give voters a choice between Democrats doubling their income, while slashing their costs of living, or Republicans kidnapping people, and giving billionaires tax cuts and it seems pretty obvious which one people will vote for.

Gore1FL

(22,848 posts)
11. Democrats have chased the non-existent "between the 40-yard-line voters since 1984.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:29 AM
Jul 2025

Other than Clinton/Gore, we've lost every time we tried that.

Bluetus

(2,313 posts)
25. Exactly. And let's be clear about the Clinton wins
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:30 AM
Jul 2025

Clinton won in 1992 because of Perot, period.

Incumbents usually win a second term (*) if they don't have a complete meltdown, and Dole was not a strong opponent in 1996.

And let's remember that Carville was the main advisor, and he is still giving that same 1990s advice as if nothing has changed in 35 years.

* The only ones who lost a run for second term in the past 100 years were Carter, Bush I, and Trump. Carter had the OPEC thing. Bush and Perot. And Trump had COVID.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,870 posts)
31. Clinton did not win because of Perot
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 04:58 PM
Jul 2025

That is a myth and a GOP talking point. Every study ever done proved the Perot pulled from both Clinton and Bush.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-ross-perot-myth/

betsuni

(28,729 posts)
28. Democrats win when they follow unpopular Republican administrations. There is no both sides.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 03:52 PM
Jul 2025

That Gore, HRC and Harris ran as "Republican lite" because they lost is absurd and offensive and wrong. Anyone who agrees knows nothing about Democrats and the progressive records of those three candidates.

Gore1FL

(22,848 posts)
29. They ran to the center.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 04:29 PM
Jul 2025

Gore picked Lieberman.
HRC campaigned directly to the center and picked moderate safe-choice Kaine
Harris had numerous campaign events with Liz Cheney.

Maybe they should have run on their progressive records.

betsuni

(28,729 posts)
30. Oh, so now VP picks and talking to Liz Cheney loses elections.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 04:55 PM
Jul 2025

Obama's VP choice was between Kaine and Biden, he chose Biden.

Democrats are the progressive party and that is their record. What did run on that was to the center so much that they were "Republican lite"?

Gore1FL

(22,848 posts)
32. No. Going to the center does.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:17 PM
Jul 2025

The Democrats have been looking "between the 40-yard lines" since 1984. I gave examples. I can give more. There are many examples of Democrats trying to appease magical moderates.

Remember when Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt ran to the White to see who could roll-over the fastest before we invaded Iraq?

BannonsLiver

(20,282 posts)
33. Same folks who rail on the Cheney thing
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:22 PM
Jul 2025

Get their hackles up anytime someone mentions an ill advised answer to a question that got turned into a highly effective TV ad that ran on a loop during football games televised in swing states for months. They dismiss it, Like it was a total non factor.

Meanwhile, 2 brief campaign appearances with an ardent Trump critic who happened to be a Republican “threw the election to Trump.” 🙄

eppur_se_muova

(41,008 posts)
5. Fare-free main lines may very well CUT costs, and ease congestion.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 06:54 AM
Jul 2025

Only collect fares where it doesn't delay passenger boarding too much, and throughput will be smoother.

mopinko

(73,319 posts)
6. the idea has been scrapped in chgo.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:08 AM
Jul 2025

we did get a couple stores, whole foods iirc, on city owned property w big incentives, in poor hoods. they didnt last long. they had huge theft and other crime issues.
now he’s trying to get city subsidized farmers markets.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/02/12/city-pitches-idea-for-public-market-after-dropping-plans-for-city-owned-grocery-store/

we already have a robust system of farmers markets that were started by daley the younger. but they r pretty much all in more well-to-do hoods.

JT45242

(3,835 posts)
8. Taxing those making over a million to pay for universal preK, free buses, and regulating rent hikes universal appeal
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:16 AM
Jul 2025

Well, to all but the millionaires who would have to pay their fair share.

They would be popular at nearly 80% approval regardless of party affiliation

There might be some traditional republicans who push back against increasing the corporate tax rate but that is easily framed to returning to XXX. Again, this isn't fair share taxing at 15% or higher.

lapucelle

(20,950 posts)
18. The NYC mayor cannot raise corporate and income taxes on his own. The mayor needs approval at the state level.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:54 AM
Jul 2025

Similarly, while Mayor DiBlasio deserves kudos for his excellent implementation NYS's universal pre-k statute, it was a NYS law and state and federal funding that allowed him to put his plan into action.

I guess it is an ultimate irony that it was Governor Andrew Cuomo who secured the funding for Mayor DiBlasio's gold-standard program.

De Blasio wins bid for Universal Pre-K in New York City

De Blasio had proposed raising taxes on New Yorkers earning more than $500,000 annually to fund Universal Pre-K, which had earned him the wrath of Wall Street and the business sector, who already consider their tax burden too high in New York City.

Since January, the mayor has been leading a media campaign to support the initiative to serve 53,000 children starting next September with the start of the next school year in the city.

Amid the struggle against employers, complicated by rivalries between Democrats, Governor Cuomo took up the gauntlet and included the project in the 2014-2015 state budget to the city guaranteeing nearly all the money required. (De Blasio had initially estimated the program would cost $ 340 million)

"The state has taken a historic and powerful decision that will change the lives of tens of thousands of children," said De Blasio to celebrate the first great achievement of his administration.

https://alignny.org/press/de-blasio-wins-bid-for-universal-pre-k-in-new-york-city/
https://www.nysed.gov/sites/default/files/programs/early-learning/family-faqs.pdf

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Free Buses and Billions in New Taxes. Can Mamdani Achieve His Plans?

The Democratic mayoral hopeful promises free child care, a $30 minimum wage and a massive tax hike on the city’s corporations. But much is not within a mayor’s control.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/28/nyregion/mamdani-policies-economy-housing-buses-childcare.html

thought crime

(1,229 posts)
20. Also: City and County governments can be extremely effective.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:58 AM
Jul 2025

There is a big problem though. Corporations and wealthy individuals often blackmail communities by threatening to leave or take other actions if there is any threat of increased taxes or other inconvenience. They may even demand subsidies or other special treatment for their own interests. Mamdani is going to have to deal with this.

Seattle saw something like this several years ago when the city council, driven by Socialist Kshama Sawant, proposed a tax on large companies to provide more affordable housing: https://labornotes.org/2020/07/lessons-amazon-tax-victory-seattle

twodogsbarking

(17,589 posts)
22. He doesn't seem to follow "we've always done it this way" and people don't like change.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:17 AM
Jul 2025

Keep it fucked up rather than consider changing.

SpankMe

(3,658 posts)
24. Alcoholic beverage control states and food deserts
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 09:29 AM
Jul 2025

Regarding the city-run grocery idea - it's not unheard of for the state to operate certain types of business for various reasons. Several states - even a few red ones - operate ALL liquor stores within the state. The consensus in those states is that they're better and have wider selections than privately owned liquor stores.

Also, the idea of city-owned groceries has been floated in inner-city areas that are classified as food deserts. It is an excellent idea. This is something that a state or a city should experiment with and see how it goes.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
26. I do not believe he has the power to do that unilaterally.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 10:16 AM
Jul 2025

In politics there's always give and take, negotiations, finding common ground, compromise. If anyone is actually expecting him to simply make king-like declarations and edicts... then they will be disappointed.

EDIT: Oh good... I see someone has already give a much more thorough explanation above.

lapucelle

(20,950 posts)
38. Mamdani also appears to confuse subsidies in the form of tax breaks
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:24 PM
Jul 2025

with subsidies in the form of monies granted in his city-owned grocery store plan.

According to Mamdani, the $60 million price tag to fund his plan would amount to about half of what the city is already spending.

“It costs less than half of what the city is already spending on subsidizing corporate supermarkets without any guarantee of cheaper prices, any guarantee of collective bargaining agreements or that they accept SNAP or WIC," said Mamdani.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/critics-zohran-mamdanis-plan-nyc-run-grocery-stores-here-are-facts/6321296/

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NYC's FRESH program currently supports convenient, accessible grocery stores in under-served neighborhoods ( "food deserts" ) through tax breaks. The city has funded FRESH with $4 million in grants, but the $140 million in "revenue invested" by NYC is largely in the form of tax subsidies, not monies granted.

https://www.nyc.gov/content/planning/pages/our-work/plans/citywide/food-retail-expansion-support-health-fresh

https://edc.nyc/program/food-retail-expansion-support-health-fresh

markpkessinger

(8,881 posts)
27. We also need to be clear about what his city-owned grocery stores plan actually is . . .
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:07 PM
Jul 2025

. . . His proposal is for a pilot program of just five such stores across the entire city. It is not a proposal to replace privately-owned supermarkets!

Dorian Gray

(13,846 posts)
37. Personally I think it's the wrong lesson
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 05:12 AM
Jul 2025

The lesson Dems can learn: Be authentic to who you are. Go on lots of shows. Be willing to be challenged. Positivity and a can do attitude. Meet the people where they are. Finally, focus on economics and making the city/state/country more livable.


(Mamdani has a great presence on the street.)

His policies are secondary.

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