Whether they were ignorant or were naive enough to believe his lies, they were complicit and are participants in this death spiral in which we now find ourselves.

go through their lives not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground.

Not just with Trump...but with everything.

I might be able to forgive those people. Maybe.

But for those with malice in their hearts?

No way.

They destroyed the greatest democracy in the history of the world.
The best economy in the world is being destroyed.

Also destroyed is the US federal workforce, science, education, healthcare, etc etc.
Women, POC, LGBT are being destroyed as well.
People will die, people will be hurt financially.

And the MAGA did it willingly and knowingly.
They know Trump is a vicious psychopath.

There is no path to forgiveness for them in my book.

In my view they're just as bad as he is...lacking decency or humanity!

DON'T waste time presenting facts to TRUMP supporters. Half of them are
too STUPID to FOLLOW the facts, the other half are too STUBBORN to follow
the facts, and if they were interested in facts, they WOULDN'T be Trump supporters.

...almost as much difficulty as I am finding sympathy for those who are getting, or will soon be getting screwed by his policies.

by the culture of abuse they have lived just forever. The masses are ignorant. They would all vote for pizza, soda, and beer 24/7 if given the choice.

And will face the consequences. They don't deserve a bit of grace or forgiveness.

But God forgives anyway. It doesn't mean that I don't face the consequences of my bad choices though.

No need to believe that, by the way, but it's basic Christian theology. I'm not proselytizing.

feel better about themselves even though they show no remorse.

Gawd forgives. I don't have to and I won't.

If someone is truly sorry I forgive them.

I am dreading going to a family gathering in August. DH's family, well, my family too, since we've been married 36 years.

SO many of them are MAGAts. A few aren't and I hang with them or find a quiet place to read.

I told my kids we should bring Cards Against Humanity to amuse ourselves and give Dh's sisters the vapors....just for fun.

Absolutely not! Frankly I couldn’t give a shit about their fate. Not one shit!

Don't worry...it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Not understanding things, I mean.

Asshole that is Raping America like he did E Jean Caroll.

With a capital "A"

Multidimensional Item Response Theory also known as MIRT.

https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/mirt/mirt.pdf

For sure!

And, I'm not buying the "We didn't think he would do that" bullshit, either. We already had FOUR FUCKING YEARS of this filthy pile of demented garbage. If you were so stupid that you didn't learn from his first term, then you're beyond redemption.

...they will continue to turn a blind eye to increased atrocities

So nope

But I’ll retain a grudge against the ones with more intelligence or who let their emotions override their ability to discern the facts (An essential trait for dealing with liars). I am still angry at the religious ones who chose Donald John.

as long as he's still a thief, I'll never allow him inside again. A weird thing about humans-- we have a damned tough time asking for forgiveness... until we're caught.

Everyone who willfully voted for him knew exactly who he is when they cast that vote.

We were all lied to. Some of us saw through it, not enough did. The ones I can't forgive are those who know what he is and are going along with him even though they know it's wrong. Congressional r's especially. And his cabinet minions. And Mrs. K. Leavitt. And Stephen Cheung and Stephen Miller. They deserve for justice and karma to fall especially hard.

But if they voted for him again in 2020 and 2024, no.

In my book, to be forgiven, you should work to repair the damage you caused. Remorse is not enough.
A victim of abuse should not be expected to forgive the abuser.

MAGA/trumpism whatever you want to call it, is here to stay. We need to recognize that. This is not about trump. Even if they were to turn on trump, it is only a matter of time before another trump like figure comes along and they support whatever evil that person wants to do.
trump is the symptom. There is a sickness that has always been in the American blood stream.The racism, bigotry, misogyny, meanness, extreme selfishness - I want my cheap eggs - (for the ones that claim they voted because of price of eggs) even if it means that people have to suffer for cheap eggs. See how many of them don't mind if other people lose their healthcare, as long as they are not affected.

Forget the convictions. - Many Americans do not care about that. They don't mind having a criminal president.
What I cannot understand, is that one million people died from Covid 19. He botched the response. Untold deaths due to his disregard for life.
He could have taken a different stance - He could have leveled with the American people, took action to save lives, encouraged the vaccines - and assured people that closures were necessary but the Government would do everything in its power to help us get back on track, once we got control of the virus. IMO, he would have won easily had he taken that stance. Instead he chose to weaponize it into us vs them. Now even more people will die now that we have a man in charge of our health who does not believe in vaccines and medications for mental health.

I was in NY during 9/11 - I remember the days and weeks after that, walking around the city, people were traumatized, you could see it on their faces. The fear was very apparent. You didn't know if we were still in danger. Were we next?? Is there another plane about to hit us??
I had that same feeling during the height of Covid lockdown, when I did venture out, I often saw that same look on people's faces. The fear of not knowing if we were safe.
People that witnessed that fear, just said, eh, eggs, I'll trade cheap eggs to put the person responsible for inflicting so much trauma on the nation back in office. Then came Jan 6, more trauma. They saw all that and said, yeah, give me more of that.
No, I cannot forgive people that inflict this kind of trauma.
They should be shamed. They depend on Dems always being the nice guys to continue their evil ways. Fuck em!

They are always going to think they’re in the right and that anything bad that happens to them is our fault. They will continue to shoulder any burden, forgive any personal difficulties as long as they see us—Democrats, progressives, immigrants, gays, women—being punished. They will forgive any level of cruelty handed out to us as being our own fault.

Not until the end of time.

More important is forgetting, or not. And I am sure as hell not going to forget either.

Not since the ICE activity and Alligator Aushwitz. A big fat line has been crossed.

To erradicate the poison they put in your soul. Forgetting is another story. NEVER forget. There is no reason to ever see/communicate with them again.
To say True Forgiveness is difficult is an understatement - it feels almost sacred, sacred to the ‘self’.
Never Forget

A friend who was a teacher in NY voted for trump and I can't find it in my heart to maintain this friendship but there are a FEW who are just ignorant including a cousin

and then I would still have a choice. I have no relationships with anyone who voted for him. So the answer is no.

They are ignorant about politics or just don’t care. Some of them just vote Republican every time without any thought, because, that’s what they have always done.

The others are at their core horrible people, imo. They have a different relationship to Trump. These are the people with MAGA signs who have become “in real life trolls,” taking their bitterness and insecurity out on the world. They want people to suffer because it makes them feel powerful.

I waver between disrespect, contempt, and hostility.

Trump voters will reap the results of their choices.

As for me, I have no respect for any Trump supporter and I don’t believe there’s anything they could do to ever regain my respect.

Anyone who voted for him last November are my enemies.

You had an obligation to research your candidate, prior to casting your vote.

Especially the one that voted for him 6 times.

They're not asking for forgiveness!

Bro guys. Morons actually. Hurting their own family members. I just don't understand them.
I'm very angry with them. One of them is getting married in 2 weeks. I have to go to the wedding but I can barely stand looking at him.

I will NEVER FORGIVE THEM for what they did to this country.

NEVER.

Basically, they're like strangers to me. If I have to work with them, they're no better or worse than the tools I have to use. I'll do my job. They do theirs.l
If they used to be friends, they will revert to "people I treat the way I treat any other human being". Polite but distant.
I won't "hate" but I can't forgive.

If they're sincere and repentant...we need all the help we can get bcz now isn't the time for shoulda woulda coulda... it's all of us in this mess. We're in a fight for our lives and all existing life on earth

I don’t need to resort to that because I’m unbothered by my feelings about those voters. They’re in a cult and we’ve tried to reason with them. I sleep just fine.

If they admit to themseves and to others how wrong or mistaken they were, and do what they can to make amends (call their reps; join protests; vote against trumpism).

Trump is a con man enabled by a huge propaganda industry that shapes the views of tens of millions of low information voters who may lack critical thinking skills, especially when they were raised in a family and peer environment which has imbued and reinforced those views since childhood.

If they can overcome all that and the exceedingly difficult task of realizing and admitting that vociferously defended beliefs have been tragically wrong and hurtful to others...

Then I can forgive them.

Count me out. OF COURSE I can forgive some people who voted for Trump. I don’t excuse, I don’t forget, but of course I can forgive.

Anyone left after that point is far too gone.

I know a few who never watch any news. Never pay attention to much outside of sports.

But the ones I've had discussions with & made FACTS known to them tough shit. But even THEY wont see it unless it affects THEM

Greed, cruelty, stupidity, racism, etc. Anything else they say is an excuse.

Why do they deserve forgiveness for that?

But forgiveness is not for them. It is for you. Each person gets to decide the emotional cost to themselves of resentment, anger, the need for vengeance. Forgiveness has nothing to do with the perpetrator.

Do what is right for your own emotional health.

I don't forgive the millionaires but at least they are voting in their own economic self interest (and the racism is just a bonus cookie). I understand the I'll get mine attitude. I was taught that this kind of greed is wrong - but common historically.

I don't understand nor will I forgive all the others who voted for hatred over all other things.

watch and listen to the only so-called "news" sources they want to hear.

they are guilty and promise never to do it again.

They just don't know how awful that orange con man is. Or they know he's awful, but they think Democrats are worse.

My younger brother and his wife in Florida are good people, but they voted for that orange thing. The last time I visited them was in February. My brother said while I was there that the current occupant of the White House is "almost as bad as Biden." WTF? Joe Biden is an honorable and decent man. That thing in the White House is nothing of the sort.

Some years back my brother said something about Democrats being evil. I think the churches have a lot to do with these delusions about the integrity of Democrats. I haven't darkened the door of a church in decades. I sometimes think I ought to go to church services a few times to get some idea of what kinds of propaganda they're preaching now.

It's Fox and 1500 right-wing radio stations and the churches. They have brainwashed the American electorate. How do we go about unbrainwashing them?

Can I forgive them for the unholy horror they have inflicted on us? Yes, I can forgive the ones who are good people but just deluded. But a lot of them are not good people; they are the same kinds of villains as that orange thing in the White House, and no, I can't forgive them.

— Ron

it's not their fault anymore than than if they were born with red hair. I can and do forgive them.

presidency. I had a great federal contractor job for 3 years that I loved and enjoyed until May of this year when DOGE got rid of it. This big POS bill also affects me when it comes to health insurance since I'm unemployed right now and I'm on ACA. I'm not too old at my age of 41 to get a job but I also know age discrimination has ratcheted up where 40 is now the new 50 for a lot of these corporations. I say this because I maybe left with no options other than working dead end jobs or being self employed. In either scenario I'm going to have to buy insurance from the ACA. This bill is going to make it very hard for me to get affordable insurance where I might have to risk not having insurance and god forbid I suffer a medical crisis then I will be cooked.

Fuck these MAGA clowns. I have a younger sister who is MAGA that I have always despised even before she became MAGA. I avoid her like the plague and would only see her once a year during Thanksgiving at my parents house only because my parents would ask me to come over. I told my parents now that I'm not coming to their house for Thanksgiving if she's there since she played a role in voting for this POS to get rid of my job. They understand the situation since they are also Anti-MAGA.

2016 election yeah I believe anyone can get suckered once but anyone that voted for him again in 2020 and/or 2024 not a chance in hell. Friends and family members that did are dead to me now.

I want them to suffer and I want us to know about it.

It was apparent in 2016 to me that the people who supported him were genetically, morally, humanly DIFFERENT than I am. I have written them all off. They bring nothing of value to my life when they don't have the capacity to care about others, have empathy for others' suffering, and they damn sure are NOT animal welfare people. Those qualities (compassion, empathy, and animal welfare) are all minimal components that I need for someone to be in my circle.

I haven't missed any of them. Occasionally, one of them will try to re-introduce contact with me and that is always a source of stress. I want them to understand that when I write someone off - it's for good.

You cannot talk to them.

Regardless of what argument you come up with, they will respond with some lie or conspiracy.

I have MAGA family members.

For example:

I told them ACA saved my life, being a lymphoma survivor and no more lifetime limits; they respond that Trump did this; not that he tried to repeal it.

I told them Trump is responsible for 40% of the deaths from COVID, they respond about COVID was manufactured.

What will some of them, if their rural hospital is out of business; they require immediate attention and the next hospital is over an hour away.

But to those who went along the first time and came back for more? Nope.

Anyone can make a mistake. And I do believe in forgiveness. But for those who did it again? Not in a million years.

victory by making you miserable. If you come in contact with them, tell them exactly how you feel about what they have done and what they were complicit in doing to their fellow human beings.

and vote in a way that shows they are sorry and were very wrong, maybe.
Until them, fuck em.

My elderly father voted for him for the 3rd time - he thinks Dems are worse - Harris is a Communist, 80,000 IRS Agents coming for retirees, etc. He's been gaslit by Conservative propaganda for years.

It's heartbreaking. He is 89; he knows not what he does at this point.

Forgive? It's very hard but I am trying.

Anyone else? F no.

Not in the next

I cannot keep the equanimity required to lead a contented life, especially in trying times such as these, burdened by the soul rot of hate and resentment. My commitment to resistance and direct action would be severely diminished if my personality and stance were undermined by the unavoidable symptoms produced by shouldering such toxic emotions. I will not consume the poison and then expect my enemies to suffer.

I don't know any

Wanton, willful, obstinate stupidity and craven disregard and contempt for truth, morals or any sense of decency.
Fuck them all

Never.

That's a burden I don't need to carry. But that doesn't mean that I'll ever trust them or like them or excuse them or hang out with them or invite them into my life in any measure.


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My maga brother in law who lives in Arizona is a postman and he found out he won’t be getting a new air conditioned vehicle because his orange Hitler’s administration had the USPS cancel the orders.

He is such a coward when we were visiting my Mother in law in Arizona last week he wouldn’t come over even though he had the day off! The coward didn’t want to face us! I am polite to him but not friendly. I feel for my sister in law who is a raging liberal like her brother !

I will NOT.

shuffle off this mortal coil.

friends, family, no matter who, it was like talking to a stone wall.
Let us see what they now have to say. Most are seniors. They have now lost Medicare, some will lose Medicaid and SNAP benefits.

I have no $$ and will no longer be spending a penny on anything that is not necessary, including medicine,
At my age, I give up.
Been to 2 protests, have messages both Senators many times, have bitched and bellyached to everyone who would listen.
And here we are, under the arm of the American Hitler.

"We the People"......... Not any more.

And they did it anyway. I'll be sending them a FB message on the family channel to let them know that if my SS, Medicare and Medicaid go away, they will be supporting me along with their brother, who is a good boy and voted the right way. He shouldn't be stuck with paying all the bills.

Luckily for them, I'll probably die from the diabetes now. Yay. I won't live to see more of the horror to come.

when I do GONE!

When it comes to relatives and former friends I might reconsider if they personally apologize for their reckless vote and show some remorse. Otherwise I will continue to ignore them.

They can't claim ignorance. This time, after his first term, and his claim that he'd do far worse in a second term, there is no excuse. No anti-libbrul, not pro-life, not devout Christian, not fiscally responsible. This time, they were just lying, mean-spirited people who derived joy from other people being hurt.

The only ones so far showing remorse are those who have been personally adversely affected. Trumpolatinos who have seen family members abducted and sent to parts unknown, Trump voters who have (or soon will) have vital medical aid, food aid, or shelter aid removed or canceled, and then suddenly whining, "I didn't vote for this." Yes, you did. You voted for exactly this. If you still have the right to vote next time, which I doubt, because you can't if you are indigent or dead, vote differently next time.

To those who may show remorse later, I will ask the same questons I asked that complicit bastard colin powell. . how are you going to bring back those who are dead because of your actions? How are you going to repair irreparable damage?

This is not like me to wish this kind of thing on anyone but I hope they live to actually feel what he will do to them eventually. Monsters consume their foes then go after everyone else. By then they will be really good at making that count. Then they will take themselves down too but what will be left we can't know.

We will all see family suffer, ours and others. We will suffer then again.

I have written off as lost to Pox (deliberate typo) News.

I have always considered him unfit to hold any public office at any level. He's never been more than a self-serving, bigoted attention hound who inherited a half billion dollars from his KKK-friendly father and brothel-owning grandfather.

My forgiveness bank account is already overdrawn. F them all!!!