both the US and USSR were chasing former-Nazi scientists and technologies.

Google AI also tells us: "Recruiting former Nazi intelligence officials: The Soviet Union successfully recruited and utilized former members of Nazi intelligence services, like the SS and Gestapo, to spy on the West German intelligence agency (BND). These individuals were used as moles within the BND, providing the Soviets with classified information and hindering the agency's operations. Some were motivated by revenge against the Western Allies, whom they blamed for Germany's defeat."

Particularly in Ukraine and the Baltics.

White (who were ethnic) Russians.

In the earl< phases of Operation Barbarossa, invading German armies were wlecomed by many Ukrainians as liberators. The 1930s had shown that the Kolkhozy, Stalin's "Collective Farms," and their disastrous system had caused the death by starvation of untold millions in western areas of the Soviet Union. The Germans' fanatical efforts to root out and kill Jews, along with their brainwashing that Ukrainians and Russians were "inferior" people, led to a quick turnaraound in the minds of the western Soviets, and the "partizany" were attacking the German invaders in very short order--the very people the Wehrmacht could have had as allies, hed their leadership not had such a blind racist bent to them.

Many of them faced additional reprisals from the Russians after the war.

The Eastern Front was possibly the most brutal war in history. No good guys on either side.

Ther were collaborators in every country. 180,000 Ukrainians joined the Nazis, and participated in mass murder. France, Poland, Lithuania, Croatia, Slovakia, Ukraine, Italy...the list goes on and on. Many of those collaborators were fast-tracked into the US after the war because they were "anti-Communist." Nazi, anti-Communist - what's the difference? seemed to be the State department's position.

his dirty deeds once he had control and avoided a lot of wasted military nt

Hitler wanted Ukraine and Poland to be incorporated into Nazi Germany and disappeared from the map of Europe forever. He wanted the Poles and Ukrainians worked to death for the benefit of the Reich. Oh yes, that wonderful Lebensraum!

Who wants to conquer Ukraine and Poland today? One guess and his name is Putin.

all Ukrainians Nazis, as Putin likes to propagandize. The Russian Kremlin, as a matter of fact, has been pushing this narrative since WWII. What better way to delegitimize Ukrainian's desire for statehood.

Cossacks were mainly Ukrainian and they fought with Germany during WW2 around the Dniep region.

In fact, the German SS had an entire Ukrainian division, ("1st SS Galician Division&quot . that fought with the German SS in their own country, the Soviet Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

Russians who fought for and with the Nazis. I think I touched a nerve here. So much push back against the idea that Russians were Nazis even when historical facts say differently.

And Cossacks were mainly Ukrainian and they fought with the Germans. There was an entire Ukrainian SS division.

That's not "touching a nerve", it's fact...This fact seems to have touched a nerve though.

The USSR wasn't one big happy family. There were literally tens of thousands of Ukrainian military aged men, that threw down Red army uniforms and joined the SS, enough to create an entire DIVISION of SS troops made up solely of Ukrainian and Cossack men.

Read the link with pics of the Ukrainian SS division.

Don't tell Putin that. The guy will pop a few veins. Putin thinks all of of Ukraine is Russian.

who threw down their uniforms and joined the Nazis. Why can't you admit it?

But not an entire organized DIVISION of SS members that were all Ukrainian...

I am sure Russia proper had it share of many Nazi "converts" too.

That's three, yes three whole divisions of Russians fighting with the Nazis. And what about all those Russian Cossacks?

By April 22, 1945, the Armed Forces of the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia included the following formations, units and subdivisions:

Central headquarters, headquarters subunits, and officer reserve (1 200 men);
1st Division of the KONR under the command of major general Sergey Bunyachenko (20 000 men);
2nd Division of the KONR under the command of major general Grigory Zverev (11 856 men);
3rd Division of the KONR under the command of major general Mikhail Shapalov (10 000 men);
Air Force of KONR under the command of major general Viktor Maltsev (5 000–6 000 men);
Russian Corps under the command of lieutenant general Boris Shteifon (6 000 men);
XV SS Cossack Cavalry Corps KONR (27 000 men);
Separate Corps of major general Anton Turkul (4 000 men);
Separate Cossack Corps of major general Timofey Domanov (18 400 men);
A total of approximately 120 000–130 000 men were listed in these formations, according to various sources.

Congratulations....you can cut and paste from Wikipedia.

Without Google, or Wikipedia or any other search aid, do you personally know the difference in these things?:

1) The difference in a regular WW2 German army unit such as the Wehrmacht/Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and the SS?
2) Do you know what the "SS" even means?
3) Do you know the level of fanaticism and purity that it took for even a GERMAN ARMY member to transfer to the SS?
4) Do you realize the size of an SS Division and that Himmler actually made these Ukrainian soldiers as full fledged SS members OVER some of the third reich's own Wehrmacht troops?

And since you know how to be an armchair Wikipedia expert, here's some quick reading about The Armed Forces Committee for the Liberation of the Soviet Union:

Did you even read what I copied and pasted?

XV SS Cossack Cavalry Corps KONR (27 000 men)

As the topic is Russians serving the Nazis, those would be Russian Cossacks. 27,000 of them.

Did you even see the "SS" ??????

And congrats on your copy and paste abilities and your defense of the indefensible.

I gotta give the Russians credit for propagandizing how they were only the victims when historical fact proves otherwise.

I see that you did some more internet research and cuttin' and pastin', and didn't honestly answer any of my questions, which I knew you probably wouldn't or couldn't.

The Cossacks that fought as German SS, hailed mainly from Crimea or the "Kuban" area of the Soviet Union. Their lineage was primarily through Ukraine since the 1700's...They were "repatriated" with the group you mentioned, and then sold out by the USSR in the agreement in Malta...Many were executed by Stalin in the late 1940's...Were there some Russians as Crimean/Kuban Cossacks? Probably so, but you have to understand the dynamic of Ukraine and the Soviet Union. It has never been an "us versus them" concept to Ukrainians. It is always a border dispute and the Cossacks were and are proudly independent of the Stalin influence, thus their allegiance to, and acceptance by the German SS.

All I'm hearing from you is the Russian narrative that the Ukrainians did it and are they are all Nazis. There is no convincing you that that narrative is false, even when historical fact proves that Russians were part of the Nazi army AND in the SS. You're claiming there were no (or very few) Russian Cossacks! I can't wait until Putin finds out! LOL!!! There were Russian and Ukrainian Cossacks throughout history.

Your inability to admit and appear to be insulted that their were Russians in service to the Nazi regime is telling. It sounds like something right out of Putin's or Medvedev's mouth.

Put it to rest. The Kremlin narrative is getting old.

It is history.... Ukraine and Russia have been at this a lot longer than Putin and Zelensky and you and I have been alive...Most of the Cossacks were anti-Stalin more than they were anti-Russian...They were all brothers from another mother.

Only on DU, is this issue a Mason Dixon line drawn in the sand... It isn't that way in real life in the former Soviet Union...Ukraine wasn't the apple of anyone's eye even ten years ago. They were simply, (and still are), a former Soviet state just like Latvia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and others...Russia wants them back and they don't want to go...Standard regional, balkanized conflict ad infinitum.

And for the third time, you still can't answer my questions without researching them, but that's fine.

also fought with the Nazi's. Parts of Austria and Finland were aligned with the Reich. There were also some British and French in the German military. WW2 history is complicated and to be honest, messy. The British and Americans supported the Soviets in a major way.

Until late 1943, Italy was part and parcel of the Axis...Other than a few partisans, the entire country took up arms against the allies.

He was born in 1952, so he probably didn't fight with the Nazis.

he does not subscribe to the philosophy.

He is also known as Putin’s inspiration his literature is widely disseminated in Russia. Ivan was directly associated with the Nazi ‘s especially Goering. Ilyan decreed the Nazi’s did not go far enough in Jewish suppression.

The winds of war. Some of last troops fighting for Hitler, during the fall of Berlin, were French.