I am more of a Trek Fan but I like Star Wars as well. The politics of both may be relevant to our times and our current dire political situation. Thanks for starting this conversation. I think that SF fans might have a lot to say about what is happening to our Democracy and the World. This should maybe be an ongoing conversation. So maybe more posts to come.

Andor from three seasons to two had any relation to the current political climate.

Or in our case, hasten the demise of the American Empire and return our country to a democratic republic, or even a true democracy.
Thank you.

Thanks for the thread Akoto

The parallels are significant to what we're watching, hearing and experiencing right now. And the clips above sum up the series perfectly--the assault on and the danger there of on truth/objective reality and the call to wake from our slumber and fight.

Eerie but spot on.

Here is a post that I made to a Star Trek Group on Facebook.

Trigger Warning- Serious Politics Discussion.

Politics and Trek. Trek is very relevant to our current political situation and this is a discussion we must have as fans. Hollywood is well known as a Liberal and Progressive Stronghold. I know that Trek is meant for Entertainment purposes but we can not put our heads in the sand regarding our current dire political situation. I hope that we can broker some kind of detente or ceasefire soon.

The future that Trek portrays is a fairly progressive one. I know that there are some conservative fans but I would urge them to reconsider any affiliation that they might have with MAGA. I am a progressive with a conservative streak as I was raised Catholic. I was a moderate Republican for a few years in the 90s. I am currently a Progressive and a Democrat. We need to hang on until the 2026 elections. I believe that we will retake the House and maybe the Senate.

Regarding MAGA and the Republican Party-- MAGA has consumed the traditional Republican Party like a Cancer. We used to have respectable opponents, not blood enemies. We may not have agreed on a lot, but we had respectable opponents like McCain, Romney, and the Bushes. MAGA and Trump are much worse and are not real Republicans. They are Enemies of Democracy.

We need an Alliance between traditional Republicans and current Independents and Democrats. MAGA Trump is a Dangerous American Fascist Regime. I know that this is Strong Medicine but if we are to have a the future that Trek promises, we must be united against this MAGA Fascism. More could be said but I will leave off for now. I look forward to your respectful and considered responses. Thank you for your time and attention.

Glad to be here!

Just saw that Musk is trying to form a political party. "The America Party". We need an alliance between Dems and anti-MAGA Republicans like Cheney, Kinzinger, Tim Miller, etc. to oppose Trump, Musk, and the rest of MAGA. Musk needs to get the hell out of our Country. Hands off our Democracy.

I am making a note in this Thread to remind myself to make a Post on Political Theory and Practice elsewhere. I studied Political Science at the Rockefeller College. Star Wars and Andor clearly have political implications for our current situation. So maybe further discussion about this elsewhere.

tia

The story of the series is a prequel to the movie Rogue One. It's intended to showcase important Star Wars characters, ordinary people without lightsabers or powers, and how they organize the Rebellion in the years just prior to the Death Star.

And yes, we'd concluded that because it did had something to do with its announced cancellation.

Thanks for posting.

You don't have to be into Star Wars to like it.

But I did watch it with a sense of sadness. It's a wonder how our popular culture, especially since WWII, has shown us time and again all the warning signs that our freedoms are about to be lost, and the consequences of letting that happen...... And our real history has tried to warn us as well... and here we are, when fascism came for us, to take away the country we love... we rolled out the red carpet.

I'll never understand it...........

About our "rolling out the red carpet" and your not understanding it... I feel you. But I've also learned a few things that Americans in general do not know.

Our understanding of this, "our country," was obscured from its beginnings by those who embarked on making the conquering of this land a corporate project, not a project for freedom, as the framers thought it should be, and wrote it to be.

The framers of U.S. "founding" documents were not themselves the founders, they were the framers. That obscured difference has by today made all the difference.

The funders were the founders.
One reason the framers warned against the power and influence of corporations is that they didn't quite know corporate power and could not explain it to a people whom they wanted to govern the new land and society "of, by, and for The People." The last warning was from Pres. Eisenhower upon leaving office, who warned Americans of the dangers of the "military industrial complex."

The corporate backstory of this country was always in the background of the "official" histories about country we loved. No one is taught corporate history when they study U.S. History. But corporate history is behind all colonized lands of the Americas. I've taught some of the literature of world cultures; besides that I've read a lot of history -- Indigenouse Peoples History of the US, African American History, Women's History, Latino History, etc. I've almost never come across a corporate history of the U.S.

The best history of corporate conquest of the land we've always thought of as "ours" is in this book, at least at the time of its publishing.
It shows the timeline of how the original funders, through intergenerational "corp"orations, came to demand the same legal standing as the organic humans who the U.S. Constitution was originally written for. (But which Hamilton sold out to the European banks, which later held the former wealth of kings who first chartered the corporate foundings of Jamestown, Salem, and other major east coast colonial capitals.)

We might be confused today. But the history is there to read. So far as of today, humans are down but not out. But for us humans to regain rule of law freedoms framed by the founders, we will have to learn more about the emerging "oligarch/tech/corporate complex" enemy better than we have until now.

Teh country we think we've loved is more like the people and good governments in it, but they definitely have not been the country that had been established by banks and corporations all along. Americans cannot be faulted for not knowing what has been hidden, but now that a clearer, more honest history exists, and the truth is out, we can't just walk away, either. hth