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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you know what Trumps' and the uber right's true genius in politics is ?
They lie to people, get them to sign on to their philosophy and even when people understand they were lied, to they cannot admit it , because that is a basic characteristic of the conservative..
The inability and absolute refusal to admit they are wrong.. they would rather die first.. and they are taking us with them to a death of our Democracy
Clouds Passing
(6,957 posts)Peacetrain
(24,279 posts)Clouds Passing
(6,957 posts)No insight, no proper self evaluation, no inner awareness.
Beartracks
(14,344 posts)Sarcasm, condescension, and elitism.
Seinan Sensei
(1,357 posts)Never apologize
D. Spaulding
(441 posts)on a large segment of the population and learned how to push their buttons. The type that get emotional validation from politics or politicians. They learned how to tap into and give lip service to their fears and grievances and echo it back to those folks in a way that makes them feel understood, and listened to, and important. They took elements of WWE and reality TV shows and applied it to politics for people who are entertained by those, who are yet also ill informed; in place of the serious thought and critical thinking that's needed to address problems today, they give their minions one dimensional caricatures and villains, simplistic slogans and meaningless platitudes they can all share and repeat, and circus type rallies and gaudy spectacles. And once they got their target audience on board and locked in, they knew the tactic of just making up facts, or repeating lies over and over would not only never be questioned, but would be widely accepted and repeated.
Martin Eden
(15,358 posts)He was referring to war, but I think it also applies to rightwing propaganda in America today.
Their voters are convinced the American way of life is under assault by godless liberal communists, homosexuals, muslims, hordes of brown-skinned immigrants, etc -- and the Republican Party is the champion for God and Country.
On Jan 6 2021 Trump told his crowd they have to "fight like hell" or they "won't have a country any more."
All other political issues pale in comparison to the FEAR of losing what they've been conditioned to believe is America -- a white Christian patriarchy with low taxes and no handouts to the undeserving.
mcar
(45,659 posts)So many of them would rather die than admit they were wrong.
The delusion I see on some Facebook posts in my red area is staggering. You can almost tell they don't actually believe this shite is true but they simply cannot be wrong.
My older MAGAt brother has always been like this.
calimary
(89,028 posts)I sure cant think of anything.
mcar
(45,659 posts)My parents were devout Catholics and raised us accordingly. Aforementioned brother became "born again" in his 30s. It suited him perfectly, since he believes it means "I'm right and you're wrong. You're not only wrong, but you're going to hell because of it."
rubbersole
(10,986 posts)When I rarely bring up anything not approved by Faux News my SIL has this "you're so lost" bullshit condescending look. I ignore all of it and end conversations with a "bless your hearts. I love you." Not fixable.
mcar
(45,659 posts)We switched to Presbyterian USA about 20 years ago. A mainstream church that recognizes gay marriage.
rubbersole
(10,986 posts)He's just sanctimonious about politics. I totally blame Limbaugh.
mcar
(45,659 posts)Evil asswipe!
czarjak
(13,437 posts)Tadpole Raisin
(1,891 posts)potential (primarily rich) supporters from all walks of life.
youre an amazing person
Ive heard a lot of great things about you
people say youre the best (enter profession)
Etcetera, etcetera.
Who wouldnt be flattered? WE see the lies, but these weak people just gush at the praise and sign on.
I saw Michael Cohen say one time that when F47 hired a lawyer he would first ask him to do something just a tiny bit shady. If the lawyer declined due to ethical or legal concerns the felon never used him again. If he agreed, the next ask was a little more questionable and before you knew it the person was in too deep and couldnt get out and if he tried the threats began.
He may not be smart but he recognizes like minded people and he is also cunning and smells and capitalizes on weak people whether its someone like Musk or the rot of politicians he controls now.
sop
(17,400 posts)However, Trump's rapidly worsening dementia is increasingly diminishing his "true genius." I think cracks are forming in his supporters' unquestioning faith. When Trumpers actually start dying as a result of his "genius," they mignt finally admit they were conned. One can only hope.
Kali
(56,612 posts)of covid. Didn't seem to matter at all.
boonecreek
(1,388 posts)Some grifter tells them a tale and they go along with it.
In this case the grifters are the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation.
Hey Joe
(403 posts)someone than to convince them they have been fooled?
That is MAGA all the way.
The Wizard
(13,583 posts)rubes and dupes.
bmichaelh
(1,083 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 6, 2025, 10:17 AM - Edit history (1)
MAGA is not even original
A variation of it was said on the Simpsons years before Donald Trump.
usonian
(23,513 posts)
The Wizard
(13,583 posts)If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
― Lyndon B. Johnson
CBHagman
(17,431 posts)I get it that there is the backfire effect (people's tendency to double down when challenged on faulty thinking and beliefs) and that there is the sunk cost fallacy.
But we are not going to stand by. We have to build things up again even after they were torn down. People are depending on us to do the right thing.
Botany
(76,371 posts)She Won, Part II: Seven Judges. Direct-to-Cell Satellites. A Hijacked Election.
How the Federalist Societys judicial pipeline and a new network of 265 low-Earth orbit DTC satellites cleared the runway for Trumps return to power.
ToxMarz
(2,752 posts)They will spend every ounce of their energies to literally change what is wrong to instead be considered what is right. Facts, morality, fairness, basic science, society and humanity be damned.
hadEnuf
(3,520 posts)they are assholes.
And I'm not trying to just cuss, but they are assholes in every sense of the word. And it is chic to be the biggest asshole you can be.
People like that used to be roundly ignored but now they are listened to seriously and given the benefit of the doubt and validation. Why?
Let's look at the right-wing media that controls the airwaves first.
Monkey see, monkey do.
mdbl
(8,105 posts)gfarber
(201 posts)They lie with a confident grin,
Get folks to believe from within.
When truth comes to light,
They still swear they're right
Pride won't let them admit it's a sin.
They swindle with brazen delight,
Sell poison as moral and right.
When truth breaks the spell,
Theyll march into hell,
Still claiming their cause is in sight.
Theyre duped by a carnival show,
Then swear its the best way to go.
Though facts intervene,
Theyll still say, Its clean!
While sinking in lies toe to toe.
Martin68
(27,033 posts)KT2000
(21,936 posts)about Medicaid cuts. The pattern is obvious as they hate people who use Medicaid. They are assumed to be frauds and get this - living on the dole!
I am swatting them with the truth that the only people to receive checks from Medicaid are the medical providers. They assume people are being paid by Medicaid?
They have apparently been told that illegal immigrants are getting lots of Medicaid.
They have been told there is massive fraud and abuse, not understanding that it is the billing by medical personnel that is committing the fraud if there is any.
They are committed to their hate and feel no compassion for others.
Callie1979
(1,136 posts)KPN
(17,141 posts)Nextdoor? Just curious because here, I was invited as a neighbor by name to Nextdoor some years ago definitely before Trumps first term.
Some people use just a first name or initials.
I have been involved in environmental issues in a logging, mill town and have been advised over the years to not name myself publicly. But I won't be cowed like that. I grew up in a neighborhood where there were some grandmas with numbers tattooed on their arms. My motto is to speak up. That is tattooed on my brain.
H2O Man
(78,610 posts)If we were not divided, the felon's refusal to admit error would be a weakness.
Trust_Reality
(2,272 posts)Repeating lies frequently really works with religious people.
Bonus:
I'm going to repeat this over and over everywhere:
Why should a small number of people have so much of the wealth? Corruption, greed, and inequality have all but destroyed this great nation.
ImNotGod
(1,194 posts)Ping Tung
(4,137 posts)The list of scary bogeymen is a long and effective tool to keep the Rubes obedient and willing to commit crimes to protect themselves.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,179 posts)It sounds like narcissistic psychopaths finding and encouraging like minded psychos.
Joinfortmill
(20,034 posts)mr715
(2,671 posts)They aren't wrong from their perspective. These are the same people for the last 50+ years. They want government broken because they think it is broken.
When something works, how do you convince people it is bad? Break it. Then say how it is broken.
There is no genius to this politics. There is just stupidity from the people that think MAGA or the Tea Party or Nascar Dads or Soccer Moms or Reagan Dems were ever a voting bloc.
There has always been a morally consistent and ethically superior (though not perfect) center left Democrats, and a craven and ethically bankrupt GOP that has shifted from center right to hard right.
I look forward to the pendulum swinging back and knocking them on their asses. I pray we eventually have a Democrat that is willing to exercise the excessive powers given to the executive by the GOP leadership.
I look forward to the inevitable Next New Deal.
stollen
(1,040 posts)"Nobody can be against that"
Propaganda device creating a popular bandwagon movement on any topic that no one should question because "everyone" agrees with our plan.
meow2u3
(25,240 posts)I'd say it's the utterly shameless psychopathy in the far right. They have no character, no conscience, no decency, no sense of right and wrong unless it means "right is what I want and wrong is when I'm told no."
calimary
(89,028 posts)But yours is just as great, Peacetrain. Trump and fans have turned being wrong into a badge of great honor and admiration.
Blue Full Moon
(3,144 posts)Go bankrupt
Puppyjive
(915 posts)My conservative friend is going to find out the hard way. She is a caregiver to a woman who is on medicaid. She also gets paid by the state. Medicaid for the elderly is going to be on the chopping block. My state cannot afford to pick up what the feds stop paying for. She is also on Medicaid herself and her daughter relies on the hospital charity to pick up what her insurance didn't cover. I have told her over and over again that this big ugly bill will affect her family hugely. These are her words: 'They would never do that.' She also thinks the government is bloated and Elon will find the fraud, waste and abuse. Well that never happened either. She claims she doesn't watch the news, but clearly, she watches FOX news. I can't seem to convince her that she has been conned. She will find out soon enough when she loses her job over the loss of medicaid. She also said the tragic accident in Maryland between the helicopter and the plane was the result of DEI. I shut that shit right down. I am a female, combat vet and I was aircrew. The level of stupidity is astonishing to me. These people are being lead down the primrose path by FOX. I love her dearly as a friend, but honestly, don't know how much longer I can handle the ignorance.
Evolve Dammit
(21,488 posts)librechik
(30,955 posts)How I wish our education system produced truly thoughtful people rather than hysterical test takers. How do we fix it????
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* or incompetent. They never try to divide their own party with false claims that "both parties are the same". Instead they prefer to attack Democrats and the Democratic party. So far, that technique seems to be working for them.
However, the phrase was actually coined by Gaylord Parkinson, the state chairman of the California Republican Party at the time. Parkinson introduced the phrase to address the divisiveness within the party and encourage unity.
Reagan embraced and popularized the sentiment, explaining that it was a rule he followed during that campaign and throughout his political career. The aim was to discourage public attacks among Republicans and foster a united front against their political opponents.