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usonian

(25,272 posts)
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 11:53 AM Jul 2025

Take Off the Mask, ICE (The Atlantic)

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/07/face-covering-masks-ice-officers/683392/
Archived at https://archive.is/rpefT#selection-579.0-579.22

The federal government should prohibit the wearing of masks by ICE agents and require them to properly identify themselves.
By Brandon del Pozo



... Under orders from Donald Trump’s White House, Immigration and Customs Enforcement is aiming to deport 1 million immigrants a year, and to make 3,000 arrests a day. Agents have detained farmhands and meat processors; garment and construction workers; graduate students; the mayor of Newark, New Jersey; and people who turn out to be completely innocent. But if immigration enforcement is more aggressive and visible than in the past, it is also more anonymous: ICE allows its agents to conduct operations in plain clothes and to cover their faces. Social media is flooded with images of masked men forcing people into unmarked cars.

This approach looks scary. It is scary. And it’s a grave mistake. In keeping with the values of the local police, the federal government should prohibit the wearing of masks by its officers and require them to properly identify themselves. These are the minimal requirements of policing a free state—regardless of how you feel about the administration’s stance on immigration. You can support ambitious deportation targets without sanctioning anonymous policing.

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The driving principle here is obvious: In a free society, people should know who is policing them. To codify this sentiment in the law, New York legislators have proposed a ban on mask wearing by ICE agents, and California legislators have put forward a bill that would ban federal, state, and local police from wearing masks when interacting with the public. (The California bill exempts members of SWAT teams conducting tactical operations if a mask could reduce exposure to heat, fire, chemicals, and contaminants.) The legislation addresses a crucial issue, but it exemplifies the overkill of our times: We shouldn’t need a law to ensure a basic feature of transparent policing. Federal agencies should adopt this policy as a matter of course.

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Hiding your face from the public as a federal agent undermines the legitimacy of our nation’s police, and can be mistaken for cowardice. Although the risks of showing your face as you police America’s streets are not negligible, they’re worth taking, because the consequences of concealment are more dire. ... Descending on a person in public, laying hands on them, and taking them to a distant prison is a naked expression of state power. For it to be tolerated in a democracy committed to an inalienable right to liberty, it must be just that: naked. It cannot be done by shadowy, masked agents.


Opinion: anonymous persons without ID, without badge numbers and without warrants are indistinguishable from street thugs. Unfortunately, their behavior is also indistinguishable from street crime.

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unblock

(56,198 posts)
1. "For it to be tolerated in a democracy...". Well, that's the problem. We're not in a democracy anymore.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 11:59 AM
Jul 2025

Are we the people really calling the shots?

Do we really hold the power, in practice?

Do Donnie and his billionaire backers and his ice goons really feel accountable to we the people?

We may have elected officials, but that is hardly enough to qualify as a democracy.

mwmisses4289

(4,172 posts)
2. If they refuse to show legitimate ID or legitimate warrant, arrest them and charge them with impersonating an LEO.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 12:26 PM
Jul 2025

Uncle Joe

(65,126 posts)
3. It just became a legalized tradition that actually dates back to the olden days when they had to wear bed linen
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 01:30 PM
Jul 2025

Now they have serious financing and the kids don't have to sleep on a bare mattress.

Whether you go by KKK or ICE it's all really about disenfranchising people just for the sake of division and manipulation at behest of the less than 1%

Thanks for the thread usonian

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
4. The Atlantic hasn't an inkling about ICE. To be maskless would require honesty. What about Noem or Homeland is honest?
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 02:09 PM
Jul 2025

NOTHING.

The dreaming Atlantic needs to pay attention to the reality it faces. So does the author, Brandon del Pozo, especially because

From 2011 to 2013, I commanded the New York City Police Department’s 6th Precinct...
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Del Pozo and The Atlantic want to examine the democratic trainwreck. At the same time Pozo and The Atlantic know full well that this administration has no intention of meting justice and due process, they dream that it could. Trump, Noem, Homeland and ICE cannot, will not, and need not do any such thing.
Pozo and Atlantic have to face that who they describe who they are:


Armed, masked men appear sinister, even predatory. Beyond obscuring the facial expressions we use for cues about whether a person is a threat, masks are a marker of criminals looking to intimidate their prey while avoiding identification. This is why the ski mask is a cultural trope of the armed robber or terrorist.


The felon dictator, Noem, and their Homeland ICE Gestapo refuse to do anything else but terrorize the public.

This article doesn't reveal anything to the American public beyond NYC something the public doesn't already know -- that the rest of America is not NY, and is neither safe nor protected by NYPD.
Yet the article strongly implies that Americans would be as safe as that woman because some NYPD commander said so.

So what. Even if Pozo wants portray what good, honest professional policing looks like, so what.
Claims of shoulda/woulda/coulda don't help. This article does little to nothing to help Americans RIGHT NOW.

As Obama would say, COME ON!

Snackshack

(2,587 posts)
5. Over 1000
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 02:18 PM
Jul 2025

... J6 insurrectionists found themselves out of jail and out of a job back in February... I wonder where they are working now.

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