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Coventina

(29,414 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 05:07 AM Jul 2025

Superman's An Immigrant? Director James Gunn Faces Right-Wing Backlash For Claim

Gunn, writer-director of “Superman” and co-CEO of DC Studios, told The Sunday Times over the weekend the superhero movie is “the story of America,” stating it is about “an immigrant that came from other places” and how “basic human kindness is a value and is something we have lost.”

Gunn’s comments were swiftly criticized by right-wing commentators, including Kellyanne Conway, who said in a Fox News segment Monday people “don’t go to the movie theater to be lectured to and to have somebody throw their ideology onto us.”

Fox News host Jesse Watters joked Superman’s cape reads “MS-13,” the name of an international gang designated by the United States as a foreign terrorist organization, and he questioned whether Superman is “from Uganda” and whether there’s a “love scene with Batman and Robin.”

During the Fox News segment, a chyron on the screen read: “Superwoke.”

Other right-wing commentators, like Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool and widely followed right-wing X accounts like End Wokeness, piled onto the criticism in social media posts and YouTube videos, making “Superman” the latest movie deemed “woke” to be targeted by conservative critics.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/07/08/supermans-an-immigrant-director-james-gunn-faces-right-wing-backlash-for-claim/


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What a bunch of whiny snowflakes!

Yeah, Superman is an illegal immigrant. That's pivotal to his entire story!!!!

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Superman's An Immigrant? Director James Gunn Faces Right-Wing Backlash For Claim (Original Post) Coventina Jul 2025 OP
He's literally from another planet. Brenda Jul 2025 #1
No papers, either. yardwork Jul 2025 #17
Truth, justice, and the American way, and Superman was a reporter, remember Walleye Jul 2025 #2
The voting group that draws more of its people from the lower 50% hates losing intellectually. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2025 #3
"they have outsized ideas of their own abilities" llmart Jul 2025 #7
The "lectures" shine a spotlight on who they Bettie Jul 2025 #5
They must have hated Coneheads SSJVegeta Jul 2025 #4
Vulture headline: "Superman Isn't Trying to Be Political. We Just Have Real-Life Super-Villains Now." Efilroft Sul Jul 2025 #6
they're just trashy people eShirl Jul 2025 #8
Same people who think Jesus was a snow white man with blond hair and blue eyes newdeal2 Jul 2025 #9
i learned that the hard way. AllaN01Bear Jul 2025 #14
You can't ruin their stories newdeal2 Jul 2025 #18
Same people who think the founding fathers odins folly Jul 2025 #10
"One hundred percent tariff on Krypton. They aren't sending their best. I've made a deal with my friend, Mxyzptlk." Marcuse Jul 2025 #11
They have a deep need to feel repressed Johonny Jul 2025 #12
To just suggest* that Superman is better than DEAR LEADER underpants Jul 2025 #31
These dolts never watched "The Adventures of Superman?" boonecreek Jul 2025 #13
They'll all watch it anyway Quanto Magnus Jul 2025 #15
snork. AllaN01Bear Jul 2025 #16
Wait til they find out it was created by the sons of JEWISH immigrants and... Behind the Aegis Jul 2025 #19
Isn't the actor they got for the latest film actually Jewish himself ? JI7 Jul 2025 #21
From Rolling Stone Pacifist Patriot Jul 2025 #23
I wanna see ICE try and haul Superman away. Go on, I dare ya! Intractable Jul 2025 #20
That was the whole fucking point--for God's sake. librechik Jul 2025 #22
Good lord stuff it KellyAnne kwolf68 Jul 2025 #24
And who, disguised as Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter for the Metropolitan Daily Planet... Hekate Jul 2025 #25
Superman is literally an illegal ALIEN-- from another planet andym Jul 2025 #26
Give me a f***ing break!!! They're just all out of... LAS14 Jul 2025 #27
Moving goalposts and creating boogeymen is their raison d'etre - they'll never fail at those tasks. Probatim Jul 2025 #39
Superman came here without documentation from somewhere else. Aristus Jul 2025 #28
Prediction ProfessorGAC Jul 2025 #29
Superman is not an illegal immigrant, he's a fiction GladysKravitz Jul 2025 #30
Many people vote Republican over things like a black little mermaid JI7 Jul 2025 #36
So is Hannibal Lecter. Point being the "argument" has been B.See Jul 2025 #37
Superman is Jewish. underpants Jul 2025 #32
That's interesting Superman's story parallels the biblical story of Moses. Hugin Jul 2025 #42
Superman is an undocumented immigrant, that's not controversial 0rganism Jul 2025 #33
I think a lot of time people ITAL Jul 2025 #34
MAGA's mad? Good. B.See Jul 2025 #35
RW snowflakes are triggered by everything MustLoveBeagles Jul 2025 #38
Ha ha, you got that right. Emile Jul 2025 #40
Not only was Superman an immigrant... Hugin Jul 2025 #41
The right-wingers complaining have never read or seen Superman's stories. sakabatou Jul 2025 #43
Welp, it doesn't matter, because he can't be deported Polybius Jul 2025 #44

Walleye

(44,009 posts)
2. Truth, justice, and the American way, and Superman was a reporter, remember
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 05:20 AM
Jul 2025

I don’t get the whole thing about the right wing
complaint about being “lectured to“ it seems like that’s their worst fear. To them getting sick and poor is OK as long as they don’t get “lectured to“

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
3. The voting group that draws more of its people from the lower 50% hates losing intellectually.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 05:34 AM
Jul 2025

They are sick and tired of it.

They are also composed of a higher percentage of economic losers. They have been particularly taken advantage of by billionaires, but are generally too stupid to realize it. So they revere them. They are also sure that the goobermint is the reason they have not done better economically, that it is the only reason they are not millionaires.

They generally work as hard as the other 50% because Americans in general do work hard. But they have outsized ideas of their own abilities and of the power of red states. They think they live in producer states and Democrats live in "taker" states whereas the truth is the other way around.

Bettie

(19,405 posts)
5. The "lectures" shine a spotlight on who they
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 06:20 AM
Jul 2025

are and it doesn't match with their idea that they are the "good guys" when, in fact, they are the villains....their Idol TACO is a movie villain that would never be used because it would be "too over the top evil".

They say they're the good guys, these MAGAts, but they can't look too closely at the things they do or say, because deep down they know that they are not the good guys and it makes them angry.

newdeal2

(4,994 posts)
9. Same people who think Jesus was a snow white man with blond hair and blue eyes
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:38 AM
Jul 2025

And don’t you dare correct them!

newdeal2

(4,994 posts)
18. You can't ruin their stories
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:56 AM
Jul 2025

They like simple stories like the confederacy was right and Columbus was a good guy who found America.

odins folly

(563 posts)
10. Same people who think the founding fathers
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:55 AM
Jul 2025

Were conservatives, if they had been we would be taking our tea in the afternoons and watching Keeping up Appearances on the BBC…..

Marcuse

(8,834 posts)
11. "One hundred percent tariff on Krypton. They aren't sending their best. I've made a deal with my friend, Mxyzptlk."
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:14 AM
Jul 2025

Johonny

(25,711 posts)
12. They have a deep need to feel repressed
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:59 AM
Jul 2025

And angry over shit. Literally it is impossible to make something they can't lose their shit over. Without the need to feel oppressed by a system, they are empty inside. They have nothing else in their core being.

underpants

(195,452 posts)
31. To just suggest* that Superman is better than DEAR LEADER
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:33 PM
Jul 2025

That’s what it about I think.i heard some chatter about how bad it was on talk radio. Its woke. 🙄


Superman is Jewish. I’ll add the AI overview below (which is accurate). He drops in the middle of Kansas, can’t let anyone know what he is, and feels like he has to be better-always. He has to show that he’s of good character (truth and justice).


*suggest - like they’d ever use that word. Everything is definitive

While Superman himself isn't explicitly Jewish in the comics, his creation and backstory are deeply influenced by the Jewish heritage of his creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster.
Here's why many see Superman as a Jewish allegory:
Jewish creators: Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, who created Superman, were both Jewish and sons of immigrants from Eastern Europe fleeing antisemitism. Their experiences likely shaped many aspects of the character.
Immigrant narrative: Superman's story of being sent from a dying world (Krypton) to a new land (Earth) and assimilating while retaining his true identity resonates with the immigrant experience, particularly that of Jewish immigrants to the United States. His alter-ego, Clark Kent, hiding his true identity can be seen as mirroring the assimilation process.
Biblical parallels:
Moses: Superman's origin story of being sent away in a vessel to escape destruction before being raised by another family is reminiscent of the story of Moses.
Samson: His immense strength and fighting for justice echo the biblical figure of Samson.

boonecreek

(1,421 posts)
13. These dolts never watched "The Adventures of Superman?"
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:15 AM
Jul 2025

The narration in the opening credits describes him as a "strange being from another planet".
They go through life looking for things to be outraged about. Just grievance collectors.

Quanto Magnus

(1,311 posts)
15. They'll all watch it anyway
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:38 AM
Jul 2025

probably will enjoy it too...

Then they'll go on their platforms and cry about it more.

AllaN01Bear

(28,808 posts)
16. snork.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:42 AM
Jul 2025

where du u think he came from and guess what ,, u have been sovingg your idology and "religon" on us for years

Behind the Aegis

(56,009 posts)
19. Wait til they find out it was created by the sons of JEWISH immigrants and...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 02:25 PM
Jul 2025

....many of the early mythology of Superman is easily identifiable with the Jewish experience. Oh, well, they may not be the ones who will "freak out".

librechik

(30,955 posts)
22. That was the whole fucking point--for God's sake.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:42 PM
Jul 2025

And why does Watters scoff at it? What a jerk.

We live in the worst script Hollywood ever wrote.

kwolf68

(8,297 posts)
24. Good lord stuff it KellyAnne
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:08 PM
Jul 2025

The movie will be either good or not. GOD FORBID there are messages of civility and humanity in it. If that's not your bag then I am sure you can get over it.

You don't goto the movies to be "preached to" or have ideology advanced, but the very moment some movie comes out with a "right wing" bend they don't say the same thing.

My view is art should do art. NO boundries. It can be left wing or right wing and let the chips fall where they may.

If the shit is good I'll like it. I mean I think Merle Haggard's song Okie From Musgokee is a good song, I love it. I don't really agree with the point he's trying to make, but he's honest and the delivery is excellent. I am able to listen to stuff or even see stuff I may not agree with.

How about "Sweet Home Alabama". It showed the Liberal as a stuffy bunch of assholes and the country people as wonderful salt of the earth people who even EMBRACED their gay friend. Is that more of what you want KellyAnne? I mean except for the gay part.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
25. And who, disguised as Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter for the Metropolitan Daily Planet...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:16 PM
Jul 2025

… fights the never-ending battle for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

I was a small kid watching Superman on our B/W TV, and I just drank that up. I grew up believing that Truth, Justice, and the American Way were good things — not bad as part of an ethical guide for life.

What the hell is wrong with people today?

andym

(6,053 posts)
26. Superman is literally an illegal ALIEN-- from another planet
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:16 PM
Jul 2025

with no documentation who came through the open border of outer space. How would Trump build a wall to keep such space aliens out I wonder. I'm not sure the masked ICE offices would want to arrest him though.

Probatim

(3,234 posts)
39. Moving goalposts and creating boogeymen is their raison d'etre - they'll never fail at those tasks.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:24 PM
Jul 2025

Aristus

(71,843 posts)
28. Superman came here without documentation from somewhere else.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:25 PM
Jul 2025

And from a young age, was doing farm labor in Kansas.

Oh, and he had a Jewish name, Kal-El.

No wonder the reich-wingers are getting their rope belts in such a twist...

ProfessorGAC

(76,066 posts)
29. Prediction
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:30 PM
Jul 2025

Those RW whinings won't have an iota of impact of the box office receipts for this movie.

 

GladysKravitz

(27 posts)
30. Superman is not an illegal immigrant, he's a fiction
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:31 PM
Jul 2025

Gunn is trying to save his box office receipts after having marginal reviews.

Don't we have enough IRL instances of injustice to expose? Does arguing over a cartoon character catalyze the conversation?

I would argue that it minimalizes it.

B.See

(7,946 posts)
37. So is Hannibal Lecter. Point being the "argument" has been
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:20 PM
Jul 2025

propagated by the same sociopathic mentalities who turn a Black Star Wars stormtrooper, a little mermaid, and anything else contrary to their myopic throwback world view, or that stirs their pathetic sense of VICTIMHOOD into yet another "culture war."

But then again, these are the same mentalities who, for more than two seasons, hadn't realized Homelander (The Boyz) was a sick fk sociopath.

(which should tell us something)

So the 'argument' isn't over fictional characters, but about ideals, ideologies, and principles..

about who rejects them, and WHY.

underpants

(195,452 posts)
32. Superman is Jewish.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:34 PM
Jul 2025

Superman is Jewish. I’ll add the AI overview below (which is accurate). He drops in the middle of Kansas, can’t let anyone know what he is, and feels like he has to be better-always. He has to show that he’s of good character (truth and justice).

While Superman himself isn't explicitly Jewish in the comics, his creation and backstory are deeply influenced by the Jewish heritage of his creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster.
Here's why many see Superman as a Jewish allegory:
Jewish creators: Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, who created Superman, were both Jewish and sons of immigrants from Eastern Europe fleeing antisemitism. Their experiences likely shaped many aspects of the character.
Immigrant narrative: Superman's story of being sent from a dying world (Krypton) to a new land (Earth) and assimilating while retaining his true identity resonates with the immigrant experience, particularly that of Jewish immigrants to the United States. His alter-ego, Clark Kent, hiding his true identity can be seen as mirroring the assimilation process.
Biblical parallels:
Moses: Superman's origin story of being sent away in a vessel to escape destruction before being raised by another family is reminiscent of the story of Moses.
Samson: His immense strength and fighting for justice echo the biblical figure of Samson.

Hugin

(37,580 posts)
42. That's interesting Superman's story parallels the biblical story of Moses.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:39 PM
Jul 2025

It really hadn’t occurred to me before.

0rganism

(25,512 posts)
33. Superman is an undocumented immigrant, that's not controversial
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:37 PM
Jul 2025

That simple fact colors every comic, movie, cartoon, or TV series in which the character's ever appeared. It's as important to his identity as wealthy-orphan is to Batman's. Numerous movies have depicted his illegal arrival in the USA, and somehow none ever ran into this bullshit ideology until now. How far we have fallen...

ITAL

(1,271 posts)
34. I think a lot of time people
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:42 PM
Jul 2025

...Look at books/comics/movies/etc and come up with themes, or say the story is really about X -- and I kinda just roll my eyes (for instance one of my professors in college who argued forcefully that Jaws was really about the Vietnam War). But the theme of Superman being an immigrant is obvious and has been from the 1930s. Maybe not an illegal immigrant per se, but definitely not from here, and his adoption of our values to help save us, is strikingly obvious.

B.See

(7,946 posts)
35. MAGA's mad? Good.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:49 PM
Jul 2025

Lessens the chance I'll be sitting in proximity of the morons when I go see it.

Hugin

(37,580 posts)
41. Not only was Superman an immigrant...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:36 PM
Jul 2025

He was totally undocumented.

It’s an important part of his backstory that both of his parents were killed in the explosion of Krypton.

As an aside, Superman was also an anchor for Supergirl and Superdog.

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