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highplainsdem

(59,977 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:14 AM Jul 2025

Grok turning antisemitic yesterday was disgusting. It also showed that generative AI shouldn't be trusted, period.

None of the chatbots a lot of people (even some DUers, unfortunately) are using are truly intelligent, or even truly aware of what they're churning out. They aren't thinking. They have no beliefs. They aren't your friends.

They're machines owned and operated by individuals and businesses whose values may sometimes appear to agree with yours, but who can't be depended on. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, for instance, was once widely viewed as dependably liberal. Silicon Valley was once viewed as liberal. The tech bros lining up behind Trump should have made it clear the peddlers of generative AI are not on our side.

I've seen people here suggest that chatbots are better, or at least more convenient, than using search. No, they're not. And turning to them for answers not only leaves you dumbed down and vulnerable to being misled (people who turn to chatbots tend NOT to check their answers), it deprives the websites those chatbots are trained on - usually without permission - of the traffic they need to continue to exist. AI summaries in search are destroying the internet as well as hurting AI users' ability to reason. The goal of those AI summaries or overviews in search is to stop the search at that point - that's what's most profitable for the company offering that "convenient" AI tool.

Just as it's most profitable for them if people not only use their AI tools but become dependent on them. And those companies don't care what wreckage they leave in their wake, in terms of individual humans, economies and natural environments harmed.

Musk is the most extreme example of the tech bros behind generative AI not being on the side of liberals, or even humanity in general.

But it's been clear for some time that generative AI is inherently unethical, starting with the theft of the world's intellectual property, and continuing through all their fights against regulation and their lack of concern over the many harms resulting already from genAI. The AI companies all KNOW, too, that the tools they're peddling are flawed, and that artificial intelligence is a misnomer. But that hasn't stopped them from pushing people to use their tools and trying to make everyone dependent on them.

Stop falling for it.

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Grok turning antisemitic yesterday was disgusting. It also showed that generative AI shouldn't be trusted, period. (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2025 OP
Degenerative AI CentralMass Jul 2025 #1
That's a much more accurate name for this technology. highplainsdem Jul 2025 #4
Perfect. CaptainTruth Jul 2025 #24
It is having issues with health/medical questions. It can do a good job of finding the answer to a hlthe2b Jul 2025 #2
All chatbots have issues with all questions. None of them are aware of what's true and what isn't. highplainsdem Jul 2025 #3
I have to disagree. I'm sorry. cab67 Jul 2025 #14
Heavens.. This was not an absolutist dichotomous comment. I said in general, if I ask hlthe2b Jul 2025 #17
fair enough. cab67 Jul 2025 #18
Once again you make it seem as though I am meant to be the defender of AI. I was testing it as YOU were. hlthe2b Jul 2025 #22
Those AI summaries drive me nuts. I ignore them and go on to detailed, trusted sources -- but it's allegorical oracle Jul 2025 #5
They should be ignored - not just because they're often wrong, but because they exist primarily highplainsdem Jul 2025 #25
X User Threatens Lawsuit After Elon Musk's 'Grok' AI Gives Step-by-Step Instructions on How to Break Into His House and CentralMass Jul 2025 #6
I hope he DOES sue! JFC! LymphocyteLover Jul 2025 #10
Saw those on X last night. Horrifying. highplainsdem Jul 2025 #26
Didn't know what Grok is. So looked it up, found this......... Fla Dem Jul 2025 #7
Best description of AI I've seen... ihaveaquestion Jul 2025 #8
Quite a headline "Elon Musk's Grok Is Calling for a New Holocaust" LymphocyteLover Jul 2025 #9
That's the article I read this a.m. It's blood-chilling. Thx for posting the link. nt allegorical oracle Jul 2025 #11
Antisemitic? Hateful? AI is becoming more human-like. Norrrm Jul 2025 #12
Grok turning antisemitic sabbat hunter Jul 2025 #13
Queue up the Butlerian Jihad! /nt aka-chmeee Jul 2025 #15
Extra points for a Herbert reference... Hugin Jul 2025 #20
Grok went WAAAAAY beyond antisemitic obamanut2012 Jul 2025 #16
How did we go from "don't believe everything you see on the Internet" SouthBayDem Jul 2025 #19
I presume Grok is AI ? If one wants to reach out, I don't assume the choir doesn't know every word. Tetrachloride Jul 2025 #21
It has completely replaced Google for me purple_haze Jul 2025 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author get the red out Jul 2025 #27
And Trump's Big Bullshit Bill put a freeze on AI regulation for the next 10 years. Initech Jul 2025 #28
That section was removed by the parliamentarian, but they're going to try to get it passed in separate highplainsdem Jul 2025 #29

hlthe2b

(112,794 posts)
2. It is having issues with health/medical questions. It can do a good job of finding the answer to a
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:59 AM
Jul 2025

clear scientific question--like absorption times for a given medication or contraindications or whether or not there is a recent study on efficacy for a given drug against a new indication, for instance. But, it does not know what to ignore --the absolute bs theories that are out there, with more "lay" questions as would be the case with vaccine risks or recommendations. I really worry how we will fight that.

highplainsdem

(59,977 posts)
3. All chatbots have issues with all questions. None of them are aware of what's true and what isn't.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:08 AM
Jul 2025

I've seen countless screenshots of chatbots giving one wrong answer after another, typically apologizing after having given a wrong answer and assuring the user the new answer is correct, even though it isn't.

The way to fight that? Don't use chatbots. And tell others why they shouldn't use them.

Otherwise, we're heading very quickly for an idiocracy that's easily exploited by authoritarians.

cab67

(3,627 posts)
14. I have to disagree. I'm sorry.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:51 AM
Jul 2025

I once entered a set of longitude-latitude coordinates for a location in northern Kenya. It was a very simple query - where are these coordinates located?

The first answer put it in Mali, so I repeated the search. In fact, I repeated it about 20 times. It gave me 15 different results scattered between Senegal and the Gulf of Oman, and none of them was in Kenya.

Many of my colleagues have entered questions related to their own research, and the results sometimes don't pass a straight-face test.

hlthe2b

(112,794 posts)
17. Heavens.. This was not an absolutist dichotomous comment. I said in general, if I ask
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:03 AM
Jul 2025

a specific medical/scientific question that I know can be answered by a fairly recent study in JAMA, NEJM, or a pharmaceutical database, some AI is doing a better job retrieving the correct answer than it clearly is doing for less technical questions-- those for which there may be a lot of extraneous crap info posted somewhere.

I beg to differ that my answer was a universal absolutist one. AI is at a stage where I don't trust it for anything. But, I do like to see what level of utility/accuracy it may have achieved in certain settings.

cab67

(3,627 posts)
18. fair enough.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:15 AM
Jul 2025

Still - a better option is scholar.google.com. One can filter it by date to make sure the most recent studies come up.

My opinion, anyway.

hlthe2b

(112,794 posts)
22. Once again you make it seem as though I am meant to be the defender of AI. I was testing it as YOU were.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:46 AM
Jul 2025

PERIOD. You make it seem as though my simple observation was somehow a promotion of its use, though I clearly stated I was NOT. Anything but!

I can assure you I have decades of experience with the medical and scientific literature--both reading and publishing myself. I use the many decades-established search engines that are validated and capable of accurate, even international searches.

As to "Google Scholar," well, to each his/her own. As a reviewer of peer-reviewed published literature in the past for a leading journal, I find its accuracy mixed. As a curiosity, I entered "reputation of Google Scholar" in Google's OWN AI just now! Here is what it gave me back:

AI Overview
Google Scholar is generally considered a valuable tool for academic research, offering broad access to scholarly literature. However, its reputation is mixed, with some limitations regarding accuracy, consistency, and the lack of transparency in its search algorithms.


So, maybe use some other established, academic, noncommercial search tools too? Just saying...

allegorical oracle

(6,168 posts)
5. Those AI summaries drive me nuts. I ignore them and go on to detailed, trusted sources -- but it's
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:22 AM
Jul 2025

near-tragic when I see the AI material was word-for-word duplicated, with no credit or attribution, from the detailed sites I've visited.

Read a long piece examining Grot this a.m. It's scary as shit. Garbage in, garbage out.

highplainsdem

(59,977 posts)
25. They should be ignored - not just because they're often wrong, but because they exist primarily
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:13 AM
Jul 2025

to steal traffic as well as information from sites created by people who did the real work. They represent the ongoing theft of intellectual property, but even with continual scraping of the internet, they still often get things wrong. (Once upon a time, a few years ago, the most common excuse from AI companies for their chatbots' mistakes was that they didn't have recent or current access to the internet.)

CentralMass

(16,854 posts)
6. X User Threatens Lawsuit After Elon Musk's 'Grok' AI Gives Step-by-Step Instructions on How to Break Into His House and
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:24 AM
Jul 2025

Fla Dem

(27,421 posts)
7. Didn't know what Grok is. So looked it up, found this.........
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:24 AM
Jul 2025
What is Grok? Hitler responses at center of Elon Musk’s AI service in hot water

Tesla billionaire Elon Musk vowed in June to retrain his AI chatbot Grok after getting frustrated with how it was answering user questions. When the artificial intelligence company xAI he co-founded released a new version of the AI chatbot over the weekend, Musk said it has been “improved significantly” and that users would “notice a difference” when they asked questions.

Users definitely noticed, as on July 8 Grok began repeatedly praising Adolf Hitler, using antisemitic phrases and attacking users with traditionally Jewish surnames. Uses quickly shared screenshots of now-deleted responses, including Grok's conclusion that the Nazi leader would be the best choice to deal with "anti-white hate."

more.....
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2025/07/09/grok-ai-elon-musk-xai-hitler-mechahitler-updates/84502468007/

ihaveaquestion

(4,398 posts)
8. Best description of AI I've seen...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:25 AM
Jul 2025

"AI is just fancy autocomplete with a search engine behind it"

I can't remember who said it, but I'll try to find it and update this.

obamanut2012

(29,166 posts)
16. Grok went WAAAAAY beyond antisemitic
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:02 AM
Jul 2025

As terrible as that is, it speedran straight into mocking, gloating awfulness about killing Jews.

SouthBayDem

(33,134 posts)
19. How did we go from "don't believe everything you see on the Internet"
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:19 AM
Jul 2025

to “bots are good at facts”?

Tetrachloride

(9,379 posts)
21. I presume Grok is AI ? If one wants to reach out, I don't assume the choir doesn't know every word.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:41 AM
Jul 2025

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Initech

(107,410 posts)
28. And Trump's Big Bullshit Bill put a freeze on AI regulation for the next 10 years.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:28 AM
Jul 2025

What could possibly go wrong?

highplainsdem

(59,977 posts)
29. That section was removed by the parliamentarian, but they're going to try to get it passed in separate
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 11:36 AM
Jul 2025

legislation.

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