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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJD Vance: Some Americans Are More American Than Others VP tries to redefine citizenship in speech to friendly think tank
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jd-vance-some-americans-are-more-american-than-othersWhat Vance expressed to the friendly Claremont audience was a dramatically reduced vision of American citizenship. Its one in which having ancestors who have lived here for generations entitles you to more; a vision of citizenship thats long existed around the world, with a notable and aspirational exception in the United States.
Identifying America just with agreeing with the principles, lets say, of the Declaration of Independence thats a definition that is way over-inclusive and under-inclusive at the same time, Vance said.
He explained that such a definition would include hundreds of millions, maybe billions of foreign citizens who agree with the principles of the Declaration of Independence, dubbing it the logic of America as a purely creedal nation.
By the opposite token, Vance said, conceiving of American citizenship purely as an idea would reject a lot of people that the ADL would label as domestic extremists, even though those very Americans had their ancestors fight in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, he said, referencing the Anti-Defamation League, a nonprofit that was founded to combat antisemitism and that, among other activities, tracks far-right groups.
I think the people whose ancestors fought in the Civil War have a hell of a lot more claim over America than the people who say they dont belong, he concluded.
marble falls
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Walleye
(44,079 posts)Vance is stupid. He speaks nonsense. United States is not an exclusive club.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)newdeal2
(5,052 posts)yardwork
(69,107 posts)What gibberish is this?
JD Vance can't even decide what his own name is. Who is he to tell people they aren't American citizens?
GoCubsGo
(34,752 posts)Go fuck another couch, JB...JD...whatever the hell your calling yourself these days.
róisín_dubh
(12,269 posts)and include them in my petitions for Italian citizenship. The Italian government has just changed their laws to exclude third generations (literally just as I was finalising my paperwork), but fuck it, I'll submit it anyway given that our Vice-President doesn't seem to think 20th century arrivals are good enough (and incidentally, my great-grandfather's naturalisation petition was initially rejected.
Even better, I might use this as a pretext to beg the Irish government for an ancestry passport. That helps me more living in the UK anyway.
I have one ancestor who arrived prior to 1900 and he arrived in 1898. Fuck JD Vance.
mwmisses4289
(3,596 posts)Many of those brown people noemy girls ice are targeting were here long before this country was called America. They founded the oldest city in what is now america.
Oh, wait, duh.
I get it now. You are only talking about lily white people, the ones whose ancestors came from what is now the u.k. and germany.
kerouac2
(1,463 posts)Oh wait, yes you can...

Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)Had to read that book in school
Norrrm
(4,409 posts)JD Vance faces backlash for referring to his children as 'his wife's kids' in new interview
When Trump says his disgusting comments about immigrants 'poisoning the blood of our country', does he mean Vance's family?
DBoon
(24,826 posts)Will stricter standards apply for certain government benefits or for government employment?
Fortunately we have a model for this:
Nazi Germany was a society obsessed with racial purity. Racial categories determined whether a person could get or retain a job in the civil service, become a member or a leader in Nazi organizations, or an officer in the army. Aryan ancestry was also a precondition for obtaining social entitlements from the Nazi welfare state. During the war, the ability to prove that one did not have Jewish ancestors became a question of life and death. In this context, genealogical practices assumed an unprecedented importance. Eric Ehrenreich's book shows how the regulations and requirements for a satisfactory proof of ancestry changed and varied depending on a person's individual circumstances. The so-called large ancestral proof was demanded mostly from Nazi political leaders, who were asked to prove that their ancestors who were alive on 1 January 1800 or later had no racially alien ancestry. Members of the SS had to make an even more stringent ancestral proof going back to all relatives alive in 1750.
https://academic.oup.com/gh/article-abstract/28/4/594/688053?login=false
Asa is the case with today's republicans, JD's position sounded better in the original German.
milestogo
(22,804 posts)Buckeyeblue
(6,282 posts)These legacy land owners have transferred property for multiple generations. These people do feel a sense of entitlement. I live around a number of them. They pay very little property tax because their property is zoned as a farm. But they get really offended when their opinions are questioned.
Ocelot II
(129,758 posts)I had ancestors who fought in the Revolution and the Civil War. My grandmother was a member of the DAR. That makes me a super-American, right? But I'm also a childless cat lady who wouldn't piss down JD Vance's throat if his heart was on fire. I find his and his party's exclusionary, racist, sexist, cruel, and generally loathsome "philosophy" of governance to be the polar opposite of everything this country is supposed to stand for, and fuck them all sideways. Do I lose my America points for my attitude, or should I get extra ones?
Ping Tung
(4,237 posts)See J.D. Vance babble for verification of Schopenhauer's axiom.
