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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:48 AM Jul 2025

JD Vance: Some Americans Are More American Than Others VP tries to redefine citizenship in speech to friendly think tank

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jd-vance-some-americans-are-more-american-than-others

What Vance expressed to the friendly Claremont audience was a dramatically reduced vision of American citizenship. It’s one in which having ancestors who have lived here for generations entitles you to more; a vision of citizenship that’s long existed around the world, with a notable and aspirational exception in the United States.

“Identifying America just with agreeing with the principles, let’s say, of the Declaration of Independence — that’s a definition that is way over-inclusive and under-inclusive at the same time,” Vance said.

He explained that such a definition “would include hundreds of millions, maybe billions of foreign citizens who agree” with the principles of the Declaration of Independence, dubbing it “the logic of America as a purely creedal nation.”

By the opposite token, Vance said, conceiving of American citizenship “purely as an idea” would “reject a lot of people that the ADL would label as domestic extremists, even though those very Americans had their ancestors fight in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War,” he said, referencing the Anti-Defamation League, a nonprofit that was founded to combat antisemitism and that, among other activities, tracks far-right groups.

“I think the people whose ancestors fought in the Civil War have a hell of a lot more claim over America than the people who say they don’t belong,” he concluded.

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JD Vance: Some Americans Are More American Than Others VP tries to redefine citizenship in speech to friendly think tank (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jul 2025 OP
What if they boff sofas and couches manufactured in Asia? marble falls Jul 2025 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Ping Tung Jul 2025 #16
So does that include the Africans who were forced to come here and their progeny? Walleye Jul 2025 #2
He clearly thinks he is brilliant when he spews exclusionary ideas like childless shouldnt vote Demovictory9 Jul 2025 #5
A lot of words to say that only white conservative Christians should count newdeal2 Jul 2025 #3
What the hell? yardwork Jul 2025 #4
Says the guy who changes his fucking name every few years. GoCubsGo Jul 2025 #6
I do believe I shall take his words... róisín_dubh Jul 2025 #7
So how many generations are we talking, dipshit? mwmisses4289 Jul 2025 #8
Can't make this stuff up kerouac2 Jul 2025 #9
Animal Farm??? Demovictory9 Jul 2025 #10
Does that include your Indian heritage wife and your half Indian heritage children? Norrrm Jul 2025 #11
Will we have to carry proof of our pure American ancestry with us at all times? DBoon Jul 2025 #12
Deport Usha and the Hillbilly and their half-breed children then. milestogo Jul 2025 #13
He's talking to rural property owners Buckeyeblue Jul 2025 #14
Do you get America points for ancestry, and lose them for attitude? Ocelot II Jul 2025 #15
. Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of Passions. Arthur Schopenhauer Ping Tung Jul 2025 #17

Response to marble falls (Reply #1)

Walleye

(44,079 posts)
2. So does that include the Africans who were forced to come here and their progeny?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:55 AM
Jul 2025

Vance is stupid. He speaks nonsense. United States is not an exclusive club.

yardwork

(69,107 posts)
4. What the hell?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:58 AM
Jul 2025

What gibberish is this?

JD Vance can't even decide what his own name is. Who is he to tell people they aren't American citizens?

GoCubsGo

(34,752 posts)
6. Says the guy who changes his fucking name every few years.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:06 AM
Jul 2025

Go fuck another couch, JB...JD...whatever the hell your calling yourself these days.

róisín_dubh

(12,269 posts)
7. I do believe I shall take his words...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:09 AM
Jul 2025

and include them in my petitions for Italian citizenship. The Italian government has just changed their laws to exclude third generations (literally just as I was finalising my paperwork), but fuck it, I'll submit it anyway given that our Vice-President doesn't seem to think 20th century arrivals are good enough (and incidentally, my great-grandfather's naturalisation petition was initially rejected.
Even better, I might use this as a pretext to beg the Irish government for an ancestry passport. That helps me more living in the UK anyway.
I have one ancestor who arrived prior to 1900 and he arrived in 1898. Fuck JD Vance.

mwmisses4289

(3,596 posts)
8. So how many generations are we talking, dipshit?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:10 AM
Jul 2025

Many of those brown people noemy girls ice are targeting were here long before this country was called America. They founded the oldest city in what is now america.
Oh, wait, duh. I get it now. You are only talking about lily white people, the ones whose ancestors came from what is now the u.k. and germany.

Norrrm

(4,409 posts)
11. Does that include your Indian heritage wife and your half Indian heritage children?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:21 AM
Jul 2025
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jd-vance-faces-backlash-for-referring-to-his-children-as-his-wifes-kids-in-new-interview/ar-AA1skeuV?ocid=BingNewsSerp

JD Vance faces backlash for referring to his children as 'his wife's kids' in new interview

When Trump says his disgusting comments about immigrants 'poisoning the blood of our country', does he mean Vance's family?

DBoon

(24,826 posts)
12. Will we have to carry proof of our pure American ancestry with us at all times?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:40 AM
Jul 2025

Will stricter standards apply for certain government benefits or for government employment?

Fortunately we have a model for this:

Nazi Germany was a society obsessed with racial purity. Racial categories determined whether a person could get or retain a job in the civil service, become a member or a leader in Nazi organizations, or an officer in the army. ‘Aryan’ ancestry was also a precondition for obtaining social entitlements from the Nazi welfare state. During the war, the ability to prove that one did not have Jewish ancestors became a question of life and death. In this context, genealogical practices assumed an unprecedented importance. Eric Ehrenreich's book shows how the regulations and requirements for a satisfactory proof of ancestry changed and varied depending on a person's individual circumstances. The so-called ‘large ancestral proof’ was demanded mostly from Nazi political leaders, who were asked to prove that their ancestors who were alive on 1 January 1800 or later had no ‘racially alien’ ancestry. Members of the SS had to make an even more stringent ancestral proof going back to all relatives alive in 1750.


https://academic.oup.com/gh/article-abstract/28/4/594/688053?login=false

Asa is the case with today's republicans, JD's position sounded better in the original German.

Buckeyeblue

(6,282 posts)
14. He's talking to rural property owners
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 10:07 AM
Jul 2025

These legacy land owners have transferred property for multiple generations. These people do feel a sense of entitlement. I live around a number of them. They pay very little property tax because their property is zoned as a farm. But they get really offended when their opinions are questioned.

Ocelot II

(129,758 posts)
15. Do you get America points for ancestry, and lose them for attitude?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 10:09 AM
Jul 2025

I had ancestors who fought in the Revolution and the Civil War. My grandmother was a member of the DAR. That makes me a super-American, right? But I'm also a childless cat lady who wouldn't piss down JD Vance's throat if his heart was on fire. I find his and his party's exclusionary, racist, sexist, cruel, and generally loathsome "philosophy" of governance to be the polar opposite of everything this country is supposed to stand for, and fuck them all sideways. Do I lose my America points for my attitude, or should I get extra ones?

Ping Tung

(4,237 posts)
17. . Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of Passions. Arthur Schopenhauer
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 10:16 AM
Jul 2025

See J.D. Vance babble for verification of Schopenhauer's axiom.

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