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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsU.S. citizen and Orange County attorney put into ICE van along with others enjoying a day in the park
https://archive.ph/HTP6YHeidi Plummer, a U.S. citizen and Orange County attorney, strolled through Centennial Regional Park in Santa Ana on June 14 to clear her mind after a family funeral when she suddenly encountered an immigration raid.
The park, with its vast grassy fields, playgrounds and artificial lake, usually bustles with families watching youth soccer games on weekends while push-cart vendors sell ice pops.
There were families picnicking and spending time together, Plummer said. But it was definitely a quiet day.
Plummer recounted seeing several vans pull into a big parking lot near where she walked, sometime between noon and 1 p.m. Masked federal agents poured out of the vans wearing tactical gear emblazoned with ICE and made their way through the park.
They were just grabbing people that were close to them and handcuffing them, Plummer said.
She stood only a few feet from the sweep, she said, when ICE agents approached and arrested her. Plummer said the federal agents didnt ask any questions before taking her personal belongings and leading her back to their vans.
Initech
(107,410 posts)Fuck Trump and Stephen Miller too.
Irish_Dem
(79,742 posts)It is how fascist leaders control their citizens.
maxsolomon
(38,173 posts)Residents of blue cities.
Irish_Dem
(79,742 posts)MAGAs don't quite realize that yet.
maxsolomon
(38,173 posts)it's not a proximal risk for them.
Irish_Dem
(79,742 posts)maxsolomon
(38,173 posts)Not everything has a slippery slope.
Irish_Dem
(79,742 posts)They kill, torture, destroy just for fun and because they can.
They get off on it and it makes them feel special and powerful.
If you stick to the psych profile you can make very accurate predictions.
maxsolomon
(38,173 posts)I've considered him a repulsive, misogynistic, vulgar toxic narcissist since the 1980s. He's not funny. He's not smart. He is a sociopath with NPD.
He's the worst person in America, top 5 worst people on the planet (Putin exists).
I just don't think his regime will have ICE persecute his rural and suburban cult members - those are the people who'll crowd the square to see us on the gallows.
Irish_Dem
(79,742 posts)I am telling you, Trump will kill anyone if it pleases him and he can have some fun with it.
We have been talking about Trump.
His regime is a different beast altogether.
maxsolomon
(38,173 posts)Yes, he's an amoral sociopath. But he also lives to be admired.
ms liberty
(10,956 posts)I think it will ultimately be the latter. As individuals, Americans really don't like to be pushed around, even by their friends. That's my hope, anyway.
Irish_Dem
(79,742 posts)Trump holds the cards.
Midnight Writer
(25,142 posts)Volaris
(11,382 posts)So, yeah I'd expect the gestapo to pay dearly defending this one in court...
But you're right, just get grabbed with no Miranda is gonna end up being a really efficient way for these goons to figure out too late they fucked with the wrong person..
Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)Hes making entire lawfirms cede to his power, but one lawyer will bring them to their knees.
pat_k
(12,665 posts)Fil1957
(530 posts)PatSeg
(52,130 posts)So there is a good chance she will sue. These ICE agents are so reckless and their arrests are so random, it is inevitable that they will detain people who will take them to court. Unfortunately, these agents are unidentified, so they can get away with almost anything.
LiberalArkie
(19,277 posts)Ms. Plummer has extensive experience in probate, bankruptcy, and business law
https://bockplummerlaw.com/personnel/heidi-plummer/
yardwork
(68,961 posts)The question is: will the Supreme Court let these lawsuits go forward?
LiberalArkie
(19,277 posts)melm00se
(5,141 posts)requires "reasonable suspicion".
Unfortunately, the courts and juries have long accepted some of the weakest ass articulations of fact as grounds for "reasonable suspicion".
Additionally, she will need to be able to identify the specific officer(s) to establish the facts that she was detained beyond her word which is one of the reasons that LEOs will shield their identities.
LymphocyteLover
(9,347 posts)PatSeg
(52,130 posts)It is so in-your-face illegal as if they're saying, "What are you gonna do about it?"
azureblue
(2,662 posts)Now she knows how it works and who is what. And who to sue. She can subpoena anyone involved in the arrest, processing and jailing, and do discovery, and jail anyone who refuses to appear. She now knows names and faces.
Further, unless ICE can prove they are sworn in cops, arresting a person on a specific charge, they can be charged with kidnapping. So I think that is the logical place for her to begin..
She could also say she was there as an attorney to defend anyone who was grabbed up, so that in itself is another crime.
gerryatwork
(97 posts)our democracy is beyond the point of having a lawsuit resolved in anyones favor and ICE agents disciplined.
Alice B.
(692 posts)is running out of bandwidth to address all the incoming lawsuits so if theres something to sue over, do it!
uponit7771
(93,491 posts)quakerboy
(14,709 posts)The rest of us will follow after. And making it indiscriminate like this is just setting the stage.
Ohioboy
(3,858 posts)They are just arresting people as they come to them in the park?????????????
There should hundred of law suits!!
louis-t
(24,575 posts)to deport 10 million people in 10 years, they will grab anyone for any infraction, however minor and will make up charges against millions so he can say "promises made, promises kept". I work with a mage crazy who is Mexican. I told him "If I had your last name, I would be nervous." He's convinced no one will come for him.
NBachers
(19,180 posts)But the reel is still playing on repeat.
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dalton99a
(92,076 posts)It is clear that anyone anywhere is now subject to summary arrest.
The woman in question is white.
Upthevibe
(10,021 posts)Are you talking about someone else? This is in the article:
"Plummer, who is half-Ecuadorian, began advising people of their rights after agents handcuffed her. In Spanish, she told those arrested by ICE not to answer any questions and to ask for a lawyer."
I just read the excerpt, not the entire article. Also looked the woman up; she did not look ethnic and her name is not Hispanic, so I assumed she was white. You know what happens when you assume
But give it six months and Trumps Gestapo will be grabbing anyone they can find and terrorize.
azureblue
(2,662 posts)Like illegal Russians, Brits, etc. 660.000 at last count..
dalton99a
(92,076 posts)Same old shit
maxsolomon
(38,173 posts)SCantiGOP
(14,664 posts)Every US citizen who is arrested or even threatened by ICE needs to file suit, so these assholes can spend their time in court instead of violating peoples rights. If they dont have the money, most cities have an organization like the ACLU that will represent them or refer them to an attorney who will take the case for free.
Part of the strategy in the 60s with the non-violent protests and mass arrests was to fill up the jails and courts, which not only brought attention to the issue but also prevented future mass arrests due to a lack of resources.
fujiyamasan
(1,226 posts)One of the intentions of the nasty bill was to create a police state.
They are hiring as many proud boys, and assorted thugs they can find to fill these ICE and CBP roles.
The Supreme Court has greenlit all of what is going on.
LiberalArkie
(19,277 posts)DallasNE
(7,958 posts)That taught us innocent until proven guilty? Has it gone up in smoke? And due process? I don't recognize this America. I want the other one back.
Kablooie
(19,041 posts)It is truly a different kind of government from anything American has known.
Trump thinks it now belongs to him and Republicans and scotus agree with him
IronLionZion
(50,817 posts)Just in case anyone still thinks being white will save you. It won't.

JanMichael
(25,725 posts)Unreal
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)Yes whites will get caught up but this is a Latino targeted operation
IronLionZion
(50,817 posts)They will arrest white US citizens without hesitation. They can hold US citizens for 48 hours without charges. Or they can make some BS charge of "resisting arrest" or "assault".
surfered
(11,464 posts)Buddyzbuddy
(2,112 posts)Red Mountain
(2,262 posts)No quota, no bonus.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)Everyone should grab peroxide and blond the country up.
flamingdem
(40,793 posts)In her spare time, Ms. Plummer loves to workout, read, volunteer, bake, and spend time with her loved ones.