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IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 01:08 PM Jul 2025

AIPAC is part of the constellation of forces that delivered 🇺🇸 into the hands of Trump and Stephen Miller."

Ex Obama Advisor Ben Rhodes on Pod Save: "If you think you can continue to take💰from AIPAC — @RepJeffries or @SenSchumer or whomever — AIPAC is part of the constellation of forces that delivered 🇺🇸 into the hands of Trump and Stephen Miller.”

Ex Obama Advisor Ben Rhodes on Pod Save: "If you think you can continue to take💰from AIPAC — @RepJeffries or @SenSchumer or whomever — AIPAC is part of the constellation of forces that delivered 🇺🇸 into the hands of Trump and Stephen Miller.”

Full: www.youtube.com/watch?si=aim...

The Tennessee Holler (@thetnholler.bsky.social) 2025-07-09T16:06:23.587Z


https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=aimKKFIUKb7qfH4a&t=803&v=x96_k7rGTNE&feature=youtu.be
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AIPAC is part of the constellation of forces that delivered 🇺🇸 into the hands of Trump and Stephen Miller." (Original Post) IrishBubbaLiberal Jul 2025 OP
It's just bribery. aocommunalpunch Jul 2025 #1
Coulda fooled me Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #2
Money so DEMs support tyrant Netanyahu ethnic cleansing of Gaza IrishBubbaLiberal Jul 2025 #3
Did it occur to you that the Dems supported by AIPAC have their own minds to Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #9
Money to support stealing land from Palestinians IrishBubbaLiberal Jul 2025 #10
Someone on Bsky telling you about someone on X saying that someone purporting to be a senior official Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #14
Long known that tyrant Netanyahu desire to steal land from Palestinians IrishBubbaLiberal Jul 2025 #15
Does it even occur to you that none of the above addresses anything about Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #22
You seems to ignore the facts..far right Netanyahu plan was always to steal land in Gaza IrishBubbaLiberal Jul 2025 #17
No, I am not ignoring the facts. I posted them for all to see. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #20
You dont do that at all. Eko Jul 2025 #27
Huh? Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #29
AIPAC only supports pols of both parties who they know are 100% unconditional Deminpenn Jul 2025 #6
I wonder what the general election figures are dsc Jul 2025 #8
I literally posted a link to the stats that prove you wrong. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #11
AIPAC gave more $ to Democrat members but far more GOP members of the House for example. PufPuf23 Jul 2025 #13
Facts certainly are spun. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #19
Some see spin in multiple dimensions. PufPuf23 Jul 2025 #24
How the House numbers alone, taken out of the context of a comprehensive set of statisitics makes for a Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #25
I think Rhodes would be on more solid ground if he said AIPAC was karynnj Jul 2025 #4
Ben Rhodes saw a lot during his time in the WH Deminpenn Jul 2025 #7
I believe Ben Rhodes is an unbiased voice and not wrong mountain grammy Jul 2025 #16
Perhaps Dems might stop taking cash from corporations and PACs whose goals do not align with Dem principles... pecosbob Jul 2025 #5
Every Democratic candidate that accepted AIPAC Sewa Jul 2025 #12
Bull... The Uncommitted & Leave It Blank in MI and elsewhere... Cha Jul 2025 #18
Biden would have had the same policies if AIPAC never existed. Passages Jul 2025 #21
Idk AIPAC seems to know how to blend themselves into joe's faith's narrative questionseverything Jul 2025 #26
I understand what you mean. Passages Jul 2025 #28
I was very glad Rhodes never found a job in the Biden White House. tritsofme Jul 2025 #23
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
2. Coulda fooled me
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 02:15 PM
Jul 2025

AIPAC contributed more to Democrats in 2024 than Republicans, by a margin of 60% to 40%

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/recipients?id=D000046963

Surely this is proof positive that AIPAC delivered America into the hands of Trump and Miller.

Democrats, beware of Jew money. The only thing that matters. And too bad for the facts .

 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
3. Money so DEMs support tyrant Netanyahu ethnic cleansing of Gaza
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 02:30 PM
Jul 2025

Exactly what’s happening.

Lots of corrupt Money to vote against what is best for AMERICAN INTERESTS

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
9. Did it occur to you that the Dems supported by AIPAC have their own minds to
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:22 PM
Jul 2025

figure out who they support and why without helpful comments from @trackaipac? BTW, who the hell are they and why does their opinion determine what AIPAC is all about? Why don't they object to NRA money? Or big pharma money? Or Musk's money?

It's like they don't particularly give a shit about what's best for American interests, with one very conspicuous exception.

 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
10. Money to support stealing land from Palestinians
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:25 PM
Jul 2025

Israeli Map Indicates Want To Hold More Than 60% Of Gaza - PBS Reporter On X Citing Senior Official

LiveSquawk (@livesquawknews.bsky.social) 2025-07-09T19:16:55.512Z
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
14. Someone on Bsky telling you about someone on X saying that someone purporting to be a senior official
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:40 PM
Jul 2025

swears there is a map somewhere that indicates Israel wants to hold more than 60% of Gaza.

Truly, sourcing beyond reproach!

 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
15. Long known that tyrant Netanyahu desire to steal land from Palestinians
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:44 PM
Jul 2025

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-palestinians-concept-paper-1.7015576

Leaked document fuels concern Israel plans to push Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt

Israel says ‘concept paper’ isn't policy, but Palestinians fear ethnic cleansing

CBC News · Posted: Nov 01, 2023 5:22 PM CDT | Last Updated: November 10, 2023

An Israeli government document suggesting the mass relocation of Gaza's 2.3 million people to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula is fuelling concerns about the possible ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

The leaked document, first reported in Israeli media, was compiled by an Israeli government research agency known as the Intelligence Ministry and was dated Oct. 13 — six days after Hamas led deadly attacks on Israel and the Israeli government declared war against the Palestinian militant group, which controls Gaza.

Although not a binding policy, it has deepened long-standing Egyptian fears that Israel wants to make Gaza into Egypt's problem and revived Palestinians' memories of the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people who fled or were forced from their homes during the fighting surrounding Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to as the Nakba, the Arabic word for catastrophe.

"What happened in 1948 will not be allowed to happen again," Nabil Abu Rudeineh, spokesperson for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, told The Associated Press in reaction to the paper.

He said a mass displacement of Palestinians would be "tantamount to declaring a new war."

WATCH | Israeli document weighs possible outcomes for population of Gaza:
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
22. Does it even occur to you that none of the above addresses anything about
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:54 PM
Jul 2025

someone on Bsky telling you about someone on X saying that someone purporting to be a senior official swears there is a map somewhere that indicates Israel wants to hold more than 60% of Gaza?

No?

 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
17. You seems to ignore the facts..far right Netanyahu plan was always to steal land in Gaza
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:47 PM
Jul 2025

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/17/middleeast/israel-far-right-gaza-settler-movement-cmd-intl

Israel’s far-right wants to move Palestinians out of Gaza. Its ideas are gaining attention

Mick Krever Jomana Karadsheh
By Mick Krever, Jomana Karadsheh, Ami Kaufman, and Abeer Salman, CNN
9 minute read
Published 3:05 AM EST, Wed January 17, 2024
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
20. No, I am not ignoring the facts. I posted them for all to see.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:51 PM
Jul 2025

You, on the other hand, are ignoring the facts and deflecting to something that is way of the topic of this thread.

And guess what, I am not biting.

Eko

(9,811 posts)
27. You dont do that at all.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:03 PM
Jul 2025

I'm sure I can find the time when you said you had the text of the cease fire between Israel and Hamas but wouldn't share it. So whatever.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
29. Huh?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:02 PM
Jul 2025

What do I not do at all?

Did I ignore the facts or did I not post them for all to see?

And if I am not biting on one deflection that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, what makes you think I will bite on a different, more nutty deflection that has nothing to do with the thread?

Deminpenn

(17,289 posts)
6. AIPAC only supports pols of both parties who they know are 100% unconditional
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:10 PM
Jul 2025

supporters of Israel ala John Fetterman. Two cycles ago they spent a lot of money trying to unseat Summer Lee by backing another Dem who supported Isreal in the Dem primary, but he lost to her.

dsc

(53,321 posts)
8. I wonder what the general election figures are
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:21 PM
Jul 2025

They spent boatload of money in some of our primaries and the gave to more gop reps than dems

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
11. I literally posted a link to the stats that prove you wrong.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:27 PM
Jul 2025
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/recipients?id=D000046963

These are the general elections figures that you are wondering about. And they show, with real numbers, not speculations, that "they" (presumably AIPAC) gave a boatload more money to Democrats than they did to Republicans.

PufPuf23

(9,706 posts)
13. AIPAC gave more $ to Democrat members but far more GOP members of the House for example.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:38 PM
Jul 2025

Look at the chart at the link; 200 GOP members of the House and only 135 Democratic members.

Obvious conclude that the disparity between GOP and Democrat in office is because far more GOP are rural and Democratic urban.

But one House member, one vote.

Facts are spun.



 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
19. Facts certainly are spun.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:49 PM
Jul 2025

Discounting all other statistics except the number or House recipients, like the total contribitions to House candidates almost double for Dems that those for Reps, and the number of recipients and the totals in the Senate, and ignoring the overall contributions, is certainly a blatant spin.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
25. How the House numbers alone, taken out of the context of a comprehensive set of statisitics makes for a
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 06:43 PM
Jul 2025

multiple dimention is a mystery to me.

But I don't doubt that some might see things in a twelve-dimentional universe unknown to mere mortals.

karynnj

(60,777 posts)
4. I think Rhodes would be on more solid ground if he said AIPAC was
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 02:32 PM
Jul 2025

responsible for the US government giving Israel more leeway than any other country. They are one of many forces that make it politically dangerous to criticize Israel.

I do think Rhodes could be correct in a very runabout way. The Biden administration was very slow to publicly call for a real ceasefire/ end of war. Biden's initial response which was to warmly and with his typical empathy sympathize with Israel in the wake of Oct 7. was masterful. From the beginning he included a warning that they be careful not to make the mistakes we did when we were attacked.

Before the end of 2023, Biden negotiated the largest return of hostages. It may be that neither side then negotiated in good faith, but the sheer destruction in Gaza was atrocious. My guess is that it was partially a political decision not to push harder.

Deminpenn

(17,289 posts)
7. Ben Rhodes saw a lot during his time in the WH
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:14 PM
Jul 2025

Rholdes is no longer an insider, but he's likely correct about big dollar donors such as AIPAC.

mountain grammy

(28,676 posts)
16. I believe Ben Rhodes is an unbiased voice and not wrong
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jul 2025

Bernie Sanders, who is Jewish, has spoken out against AIPAC for a long time.. I believe he is also correct..Israel is a wealthy country and yet America provides more than $3billion in military aid per year and we put no restrictions on how it’s spent.. that’s AIPAC’s influence which has also guided the reaction of some Democrats to the primary results in NYC. Israel should stay out of American politics.

pecosbob

(8,308 posts)
5. Perhaps Dems might stop taking cash from corporations and PACs whose goals do not align with Dem principles...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:01 PM
Jul 2025

Who should decide which do or do not align? The voters. I would recommend a policy of transparency...in fact I would want to see them trumpet the names of those that choose to align with those democratic goals.

Sewa

(1,572 posts)
12. Every Democratic candidate that accepted AIPAC
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:29 PM
Jul 2025

campaign donations in 2024 cycle should be primaried. Period! 🤮💀

Cha

(316,717 posts)
18. Bull... The Uncommitted & Leave It Blank in MI and elsewhere...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:48 PM
Jul 2025

Voted 3rd party... Contributed to this Shit. some of them even told us to "Enjoy trump"

They were out there screaming Genocide Joe" and Killer Kamala"... and now look what we have.

I don't care what Ben Rhodes says.

Passages

(3,986 posts)
21. Biden would have had the same policies if AIPAC never existed.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 03:53 PM
Jul 2025

That is not an endorsement of AIPAC btw.

Middle East policies from the US have been catastrophic for a long, long time.

Like climate change, I seriously doubt much will change, and I say that with the deepest regret.

We have caused a great deal of misery in the world.


questionseverything

(11,539 posts)
26. Idk AIPAC seems to know how to blend themselves into joe's faith's narrative
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 06:58 PM
Jul 2025

But his catholic upbringing is probably the main reason for his Isreal policy

Not meaning any of that to be a bad thing, just how I see it

tritsofme

(19,795 posts)
23. I was very glad Rhodes never found a job in the Biden White House.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 04:00 PM
Jul 2025

Frankly, I don’t give a fuck about anything he has to say.

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