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Eugene

(66,809 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:52 PM Jul 2025

Border czar Tom Homan says that 8 men deported to South Sudan are "free" and no longer America's concern

Related: Homan unsure of status of the eight men deported to South Sudan (Politico video)

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Source: The Guardian

US border czar says he doesn’t know fate of eight men deported to South Sudan

Men from Mexico, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar were removed from the US and flown to the war-torn country

Jessica Glenza
Fri 11 Jul 2025 14.47 BST
Last modified on Fri 11 Jul 2025 16.10 BST

Tom Homan, the US border czar, has said he does not know what happened to the eight men deported to South Sudan after the Trump administration resumed sending migrants to countries that are not their place of origin, known as third countries.

“They’re free as far as we’re concerned. They’re free, they’re no longer in our custody, they’re in Sudan,” Homan told Politico on Friday. “Will they stay in Sudan? I don’t know.”

Administration officials said the men had been convicted of violent crimes in the US. Only one of the eight reportedly has a connection to South Sudan, which recently emerged from a civil war. The others include two people from Myanmar, two from Cuba, and one each from Vietnam, Laos and Mexico.

South Sudanese authorities said on Tuesday the men were in custody in Juba “under the care of the relevant authorities, who are screening them and ensuring their safety and wellbeing”.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/11/trump-immigration-tom-homan-south-sudan-deportees

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It should also be pointed out how the US said Kilmar Abrego Garcia was "home" while he was locked up in El Salvador.

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Border czar Tom Homan says that 8 men deported to South Sudan are "free" and no longer America's concern (Original Post) Eugene Jul 2025 OP
The crimes... Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #1
The crimes... Duncan Grant Jul 2025 #6
I don't understand why people don't see this. yardwork Jul 2025 #14
They had due process SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #15
Not send them to a random war-torn third country. yardwork Jul 2025 #44
I agree that the preference is... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #47
How do we know their home countries wouldn't take them? yardwork Jul 2025 #48
And? They are still allowed due process obamanut2012 Jul 2025 #8
Tell that to the families of those murdered and sexually assaulted Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #9
They had due process SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #11
and they were sent to Sudan, why??? Skittles Jul 2025 #17
likely to send a message purple_haze Jul 2025 #54
Son of a bitch. choie Jul 2025 #2
fixed it Red Mountain Jul 2025 #3
Very possible. yardwork Jul 2025 #45
Some might soon be free from all earthly cares dalton99a Jul 2025 #4
Yeah, maybe they're dead, but Homan doesn't know, and it doesn't matter. MineralMan Jul 2025 #5
Matthew 27:24 DBoon Jul 2025 #7
And if those 8 men kill a bunch of Sudanese.... RussBLib Jul 2025 #10
Seriously asking SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #12
Apparently, some people Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2025 #19
sent them to their countries of origin? Skittles Jul 2025 #18
They Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #20
it is absolutely CRUEL to deposit people where they have never been Skittles Jul 2025 #21
OK SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #22
what happened to them before the gestapo came along? Skittles Jul 2025 #25
What happened to them? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #27
so have them serve their sentences Skittles Jul 2025 #31
Replied in another post SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #33
Are you of the opinion Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #23
OUR FUCKING PRESIDENT IS A MULTI-FELON RAPIST AND CON ARTIST Skittles Jul 2025 #24
You're right about the President SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #26
so what happened with these folk before the American gestapo came along? Skittles Jul 2025 #28
From the BBC SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #32
Those two things have Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #42
I'm with you MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2025 #37
Now I'm curious MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2025 #36
Sez who? You believe them why? yardwork Jul 2025 #46
the simple answer... RussBLib Jul 2025 #43
the people who excuse nazi tactics NEVER envision themselves as targets Skittles Jul 2025 #39
What should we have done with them? N/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #40
I would love to see Inquisitor Homan dropped from a plane into El Salvador. travelingthrulife Jul 2025 #13
if all the people rooting for cruelty experienced some of it Skittles Jul 2025 #29
Instead of "border czar", call Tom Homan what he really is - "Fucking asshole Nazi scumbag terrorist". Initech Jul 2025 #30
I cannot BELIEVE how many people excuse these nazi tactics Skittles Jul 2025 #35
There literally is no excuse. None. Initech Jul 2025 #41
What do you Greg_In_SF Jul 2025 #51
Border "czar" MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2025 #34
'free' as in dead? spanone Jul 2025 #38
Odds are if they're not dead, they've been sold into slavery. indusurb Jul 2025 #49
And the reason why they weren't sent back to their own country Is? Autumn Jul 2025 #50
Let's take a guess: sold into slavery Clouds Passing Jul 2025 #52
Wouldnt be surprised if "free" means dead. SSJVegeta Jul 2025 #53

Greg_In_SF

(889 posts)
1. The crimes...
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:03 PM
Jul 2025

• Enrique Arias-Hierro (Cuba): Convicted of homicide and armed robbery (sentenced to 15 years), false impersonation of an official, kidnapping, and strong-arm robbery (sentenced to 15 years).

• Jose Manuel Rodriguez-Quinones (Cuba): Convicted of attempted first-degree murder with a weapon (sentenced to 4 years), battery and larceny (sentenced to 10 months), cocaine possession (sentenced to 1 year), and cocaine trafficking (sentenced to 3 years).

• Jesus Munoz-Gutierrez (Mexico): Convicted of second-degree murder (sentenced to life).

• Dian Peter Domach (South Sudan): Convicted of robbery and possession of a firearm (sentenced to 8 years), possession of burglar’s tools and possession of a defaced firearm (sentenced to 18 months), and driving under the influence.

• Kyaw Mya (Burma/Myanmar): Convicted of lascivious acts with a child under 12 years of age (sentenced to 10 years, paroled after 4 years).

• Nyo Myint (Burma/Myanmar): Convicted of first-degree sexual assault involving a victim mentally and physically incapable of resisting (sentenced to 12 years).

• Thongxay Nilakout (Laos): Convicted of first-degree murder and robbery (sentenced to life) for shooting and killing a German tourist in 1994.

• Tuan Thanh Phan (Vietnam): Convicted of first-degree murder and second-degree assault.

Duncan Grant

(8,870 posts)
6. The crimes...
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:12 PM
Jul 2025

Criminal #1: Opposed my congressional race and depleted my fundraising.
Criminal #2: Embarrassed my major donor causing irrevocable harm to his ego.
Criminal #3: Owned property I needed for development, but refused to sell.

And so on. Point being, this will get easier with each flight.

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
14. I don't understand why people don't see this.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:35 PM
Jul 2025

If nobody had constitutional rights then... nobody had constitutional rights.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
15. They had due process
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:37 PM
Jul 2025

They had final deportation orders issued by an immigration judge.

I asked below, and I'm asking seriously - what should we have done with them?

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
44. Not send them to a random war-torn third country.
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:32 AM
Jul 2025

The usual approach is to deport people back to their country of origin. Doing otherwise is kidnapping. We're not supposed to do that.

I'm not questioning that these particular people were charged and found guilty of serious crimes.

Unfortunately, under Trump we're seeing that quite a few people - an unknown number, because Trump administration won't release data, which itself is a huge problem - are being sent to be tortured in third countries without any due process at all. They're being snatched off the streets - women and children too - put on secret planes and sent to El Salvador and Gitmo and Sudan and now this Alligator place - a random set of places, some domestic some foreign, where nobody is getting any due process. That is definitely kidnapping.

If they get away with this, literally none of us is safe. Do you own a business somebody envies? They'll drop a tip on you. Having an affair with someone's wife or girlfriend and want to get rid of him? Call ICE, toll free.

A teen kid in a Midwest town was deported to who knows where. He was the ONLY student in his high school who was targeted. Guess what. He was the star athlete. You think maybe somebody was jealous?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
47. I agree that the preference is...
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:38 AM
Jul 2025

...to send the back to their home countries, but in this case, the home countries wouldn't take them. So what should we have done with them? They shouldn't be able to stay here, they can't go back to their home countries, so what are the other options?

As to the rest of your post, I agree 100%, the way people are being snatched and disappeared right now is reprehensible and illegal, no question.

But that wasn't the case for the eight people sent to Sudan - they had their due process and were ordered deported.

Greg_In_SF

(889 posts)
9. Tell that to the families of those murdered and sexually assaulted
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:50 PM
Jul 2025

They already had their day in court. They were found to be murderers and rapists.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
11. They had due process
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:12 PM
Jul 2025

They had final removal orders - that doesn't happen without appearing before an immigration judge.

 

purple_haze

(401 posts)
54. likely to send a message
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 10:38 AM
Jul 2025

to everyone else. Through all the gnashing of teeth everybody should at the very least be able to see that this is just one giant psyop to get as many folks to self-deport as possible.

Red Mountain

(2,267 posts)
3. fixed it
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:07 PM
Jul 2025

Border czar Tom Homan says that 8 men deported to middle of Pacific Ocean far from land are "free" and no longer America's concern

MineralMan

(150,655 posts)
5. Yeah, maybe they're dead, but Homan doesn't know, and it doesn't matter.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:11 PM
Jul 2025

Because he doesn't know. He isn't concerned about people he has deported somewhere. Not his problem, see.

DBoon

(24,751 posts)
7. Matthew 27:24
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:36 PM
Jul 2025

So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves.”

Response to Greg_In_SF (Reply #16)

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
21. it is absolutely CRUEL to deposit people where they have never been
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:17 PM
Jul 2025

and I don't care WHO the fuck they are

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
22. OK
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:19 PM
Jul 2025

Then what should we have done with them?

ETA: They had never been to the U.S. either, until they came here illegally, so they can just go to Sudan and do what they did here...

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
25. what happened to them before the gestapo came along?
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:23 PM
Jul 2025

and it's really a shame we cannot deport our fucking criminal "president"

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
27. What happened to them?
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:25 PM
Jul 2025

Presumably they were in prison for the crimes they committed, but I'll go see if I can find out.

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
31. so have them serve their sentences
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:28 PM
Jul 2025

which I ASSUME didn't include being deserved in Sudan

and FUCK everyone who roots for cruelty, FUCK THEM ALL

DONE HERE

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
33. Replied in another post
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:32 PM
Jul 2025

They did serve the sentences, or were near the end o their sentences.

Greg_In_SF

(889 posts)
23. Are you of the opinion
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:20 PM
Jul 2025

that they should have been allowed to stay in the United States? They are non-citizen murderers and rapists.

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
24. OUR FUCKING PRESIDENT IS A MULTI-FELON RAPIST AND CON ARTIST
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:21 PM
Jul 2025

who the fuck is HE to judge people?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
26. You're right about the President
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:23 PM
Jul 2025

But he isn't the one who judged them - juries did. And immigration judges.

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
28. so what happened with these folk before the American gestapo came along?
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:25 PM
Jul 2025

deserting people in countries they have never been doesn't say much about America

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
32. From the BBC
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:31 PM
Jul 2025
The men - convicted of crimes including murder, sexual assault and robbery - had either completed or were near the end of their prison sentences.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80p315krr4o

Greg_In_SF

(889 posts)
42. Those two things have
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 07:16 PM
Jul 2025

nothing to do with each other, and you didn’t answer my question.

A judge ordered them to be removed from the Country. I thought we wanted tRump to follow judge’s orders.

RussBLib

(10,426 posts)
43. the simple answer...
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 09:08 PM
Jul 2025

...is, I don't know.

I noticed two of those eight were sentenced to life in prison. So why were they let out early or at all? Good behavior? And how long ago were these eight convicted?

Cuba, Vietnam, and Mexico have been accepting deportees of their own citizens, but there are some restrictions and not everyone is accepted. I venture to say that if our own current authorities were not total dickheads, those receiving countries might have been a bit more willing to accept these deportees.

Apparently all eight were in the US illegally. I don't know if they were smuggled in or overstayed a visa, or what.

These are rather unusual cases. Considering all the circumstances, and I still cannot say I fully understand all their situations, deporting them to a country that will take them is a better solution than just letting them roam the streets of the US. There is obviously no guarantee that these eight will never reappear in the US, so this problem may occur again.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
39. the people who excuse nazi tactics NEVER envision themselves as targets
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:41 PM
Jul 2025

it's like they've never read a fucking history book

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
13. I would love to see Inquisitor Homan dropped from a plane into El Salvador.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:21 PM
Jul 2025

Disgusting creature.

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
29. if all the people rooting for cruelty experienced some of it
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:26 PM
Jul 2025

that would shut them the fuck up

Initech

(107,476 posts)
30. Instead of "border czar", call Tom Homan what he really is - "Fucking asshole Nazi scumbag terrorist".
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:26 PM
Jul 2025

I refuse to humanize this man or his evil shit.

Skittles

(169,648 posts)
35. I cannot BELIEVE how many people excuse these nazi tactics
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:37 PM
Jul 2025

PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER

Initech

(107,476 posts)
41. There literally is no excuse. None.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 06:45 PM
Jul 2025

The only reason we have this shit is because of Fox News and the Heritage Foundation. They are the problem.

indusurb

(297 posts)
49. Odds are if they're not dead, they've been sold into slavery.
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:58 AM
Jul 2025

Same with anybody deported to Libya.

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