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erronis

(22,675 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:17 PM Aug 2025

The problem is far bigger than Jeffrey Epstein -- Rebecca Solnit

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/03/jeffrey-epstein-violence-women

Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

n 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.

. . .

But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.
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The problem is far bigger than Jeffrey Epstein -- Rebecca Solnit (Original Post) erronis Aug 2025 OP
"...a broader conversation and deeper change." J_William_Ryan Aug 2025 #1
I also want a "broader conversation and deeper change" cally Aug 2025 #2
The tip of the iceberg bucolic_frolic Aug 2025 #3
Who knows whats going on "behind the green door"? erronis Aug 2025 #9
It's far bigger for multiple reasons. snot Aug 2025 #4
Here are somethings to think about: Baitball Blogger Aug 2025 #5
You're talking about the Epstein/Trump sex operation. Weinstein and many others are all over the place. erronis Aug 2025 #6
It's a worldwide epidemic according to the DOJ. littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #8
All this is at least to some extent because the world's largest religions all make women second class citizens. flashman13 Aug 2025 #7
THIS! THIS! THIS! OMGWTF Aug 2025 #13
And yet Jesus Himself... Dem4life1970 Aug 2025 #31
I am just wondering, questioning Dan Aug 2025 #10
For some of the white women it might be his racism... electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #21
Tragically enough, oppressed people tend to whathehell Aug 2025 #23
Oh...yeah. I forgot that's a part ... electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #24
Absolutely. n/t whathehell Aug 2025 #25
Sure beats me. calimary Aug 2025 #27
Yeah, but we don't know just how many of them were already forced to vote for him. OldBaldy1701E Aug 2025 #29
Abuse when young does not help women identify abusive men to be able to stay away from them Stargazer99 Aug 2025 #32
That to me is one of the reasons that Dan Aug 2025 #33
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2025 #11
Society Isn't Ready Deep State Witch Aug 2025 #12
Obviously some of us want this conversation. Perhaps those in power want to keep quiet. erronis Aug 2025 #14
Exactly Deep State Witch Aug 2025 #15
And, I, among many appreciate that you are driving such a conversation here and now. It's critically important. NNadir Aug 2025 #17
To whit...they elected a rapist over much MUCH more qualified women, twice. nt wiggs Aug 2025 #16
DOJ Cover Up of drug trafficking has been going on for decades... AntiFascist Aug 2025 #18
K&R red dog 1 Aug 2025 #19
Good Read - K&R ProfessorGAC Aug 2025 #20
It can be so dispiriting at times. And there are countries that are far worse. Ty for this electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #22
Way recommended! H2O Man Aug 2025 #26
K&R, thank you for posting this. nt. druidity33 Aug 2025 #28
By calling slavers such as Epstein, Maxwell, and others human traffickers... Hugin Aug 2025 #30
Thanks for posting. Addressing the big issue will decrease individual ones. twodogsbarking Aug 2025 #34
Excellent article - well worth reading in full! Thanks for posting. nt ihaveaquestion Aug 2025 #35
Excellent article, post, and discussion Wild blueberry Aug 2025 #36
KNR and bookmarking. niyad Aug 2025 #37
A-F*ING-MEN!!! Trueblue Texan Aug 2025 #38

J_William_Ryan

(3,340 posts)
1. "...a broader conversation and deeper change."
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:24 PM
Aug 2025

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.

cally

(21,830 posts)
2. I also want a "broader conversation and deeper change"
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:29 PM
Aug 2025

but I do think this Epstein case may help expose some of the rich, powerful men who thought this was OK and covered it up

bucolic_frolic

(54,064 posts)
3. The tip of the iceberg
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:34 PM
Aug 2025

The author is correct of course but we only know about these things from the modern digital age, and the hidden content on similar technology - dark net, apps of all types - remain unknown.

erronis

(22,675 posts)
9. Who knows whats going on "behind the green door"?
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:12 PM
Aug 2025

Pushing any such activities further away from scrutiny.

Just like when religions try to prohibit something they don't want the flock to engage in - but they are usually the major transgressors.

Speakeasies?

snot

(11,523 posts)
4. It's far bigger for multiple reasons.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:42 PM
Aug 2025

There are also the questions of which of our leaders betrayed their country by making or acquiescing in actions or omissions because they were blackmailed into it, and which of our leaders might betray us in the future if the info about their sex crimes is allowed to continue to be held in secret?

Because I find it beyond belief that anyone willing to keep such info secret wouldn't also be willing to use it.

Baitball Blogger

(51,742 posts)
5. Here are somethings to think about:
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:45 PM
Aug 2025

IT ALL UNFOLDED IN FLORIDA. Do I have to say more? Is the Libertarian lifestyle in this state so corrupt that the grooming and raping of young children is acceptable as long as the pimps and Johns have political connections?

And, of course there is something wrong since to this day, the same political machinations are involved in a full blown cover-up scandal.

erronis

(22,675 posts)
6. You're talking about the Epstein/Trump sex operation. Weinstein and many others are all over the place.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 01:56 PM
Aug 2025

Solnit does talk about much more than the Epstein/Trump case.

Instead of focusing on high-profile cases in my opening paragraphs, I could have found examples from the hundreds of cases of sexual abuse of women, girls and boys by ministers of the Southern Baptist church. NPR reported in 2022 that, “the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committee mishandled allegations of sex abuse, stonewalled numerous survivors and prioritized protecting the SBC from liability”. Or the grotesqueries of Andrew Cuomo’s alleged sexual harassment and groping while he was governor of New York, followed by his persecution of those who spoke up. I could have brought up that both US and Canadian residential schools for Indigenous children are being exposed as former students who were sexually abused in them find the space to speak out.

Yes, Florida probably attracts these con artists and criminals. As does NYC and Las Vegas and other places.

littlemissmartypants

(31,675 posts)
8. It's a worldwide epidemic according to the DOJ.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:12 PM
Aug 2025

Reference here:
Project Safe Childhood is a nationwide initiative to combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation and abuse launched in May 2006 by the Department of Justice.
https://www.justice.gov/psc

There are more than a dozen perps listed for the first day of August 2025 alone.

flashman13

(2,033 posts)
7. All this is at least to some extent because the world's largest religions all make women second class citizens.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:07 PM
Aug 2025

It is ordained that men are meant to reign and women are meant to serve. Service comes in many forms. Abuse is one. Get me a beer is something else, but no less disdainful of female equality.

OMGWTF

(5,016 posts)
13. THIS! THIS! THIS!
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:53 PM
Aug 2025

I have always thought that stupid story about Eve and the apple was the birthplace of misogyny.

Dem4life1970

(1,047 posts)
31. And yet Jesus Himself...
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:15 AM
Aug 2025

....elevated the standing of women especially in Ancient Near Eastern culture, and He washed His followers' feet (something no King or person in power would ever do).

I am very clear eyed about what Jesus did vs. what many of his "followers" have done/are doing.

Dan

(4,981 posts)
10. I am just wondering, questioning
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:20 PM
Aug 2025

Why did so many White, Hispanic and Arabic women vote for Trump - given his history? I am not sure about the Asian female vote And don’t respond with that crap that they didn’t know.

electric_blue68

(25,942 posts)
21. For some of the white women it might be his racism...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:58 PM
Aug 2025

And I suppose others believe that's how they should be - submisive. As poster said above most if not all religions have women as 2nd class. 😑 Plus some like his,authoritarian tendencies.

I don't know if I ever bought that, but if I did I quickly grew out of it by the time I was a tween, early teen.

It can be sooo dispiriting at times what continues to go to women herd, and particularly around the world in certain countries!

whathehell

(30,362 posts)
23. Tragically enough, oppressed people tend to
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:44 PM
Aug 2025

internalize the low esteem in which they're held by the dominant members of their societies. This is true in regard to gender, race, and in some cases, religion and sexual orientation.

electric_blue68

(25,942 posts)
24. Oh...yeah. I forgot that's a part ...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 04:52 PM
Aug 2025

Last edited Fri Aug 8, 2025, 10:10 PM - Edit history (1)

It's like brainwashing. The repetition of how "inferior" one is. Embedded in society.

calimary

(89,047 posts)
27. Sure beats me.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 05:52 PM
Aug 2025

I can’t understand why ANY woman would want to vote for trump.

Frankly, I still don’t understand why ANYBODY, female OR male, would want to vote for him.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,204 posts)
29. Yeah, but we don't know just how many of them were already forced to vote for him.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 08:15 AM
Aug 2025

Since this whole religion that says 'men are superior to women' thing has become more prevalent. These poor females are being forced to be subservient to these animals and, thanks to their 'religion', they have been told that there is no other way to be.

The men that perpetuate this should all be dragged out behind the barn and... taught why their choices are not acceptable.

But that is just me.

Stargazer99

(3,441 posts)
32. Abuse when young does not help women identify abusive men to be able to stay away from them
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:59 AM
Aug 2025

When people say why didn't she leave him, I would have. Not if the man threatened the life of a child or pet if she left on top of the poverty children and mothers could possibly face. I often wonder just how ignorant some people can be

Dan

(4,981 posts)
33. That to me is one of the reasons that
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:07 AM
Aug 2025

Attacks on DEI is so ugly. It provides an opportunity for females to at least have some opportunities with meaningful employment. In this day and age, a female (or for that matter, a male) that doesn’t have marketable job skills is committing a crime against self. Marriage today seems more like a business partnership (from what I have seen of my younger generation friends).

Religion, cultural norms - so many things used to keep some people in mental chains, sad. Not to imply that either of these are bad in themselves but noting how these things can be used.

erronis

(22,675 posts)
14. Obviously some of us want this conversation. Perhaps those in power want to keep quiet.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:54 PM
Aug 2025

"Society" as defined by them.

NNadir

(37,308 posts)
17. And, I, among many appreciate that you are driving such a conversation here and now. It's critically important.
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:23 PM
Aug 2025

AntiFascist

(13,732 posts)
18. DOJ Cover Up of drug trafficking has been going on for decades...
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 03:43 PM
Aug 2025

and now with Russian (former Soviet) money laundering and human trafficking in the mix, it's obvious that they want to protect the not so "innocent" elite who have participated in all this. Look into the historical connections of Ghislaine, her father Robert Maxwell, and Epstein's Russian bank and former KGB connections.

Trump has long been associated with the NYC mafiosos and more recently the Russian mafia whose laundered money has made him such a "success" in real estate. He truly wants to become the #1 crime boss authoritarian who can intimidate or troll anyone who dares to speak out against him. He also stands as a role model for elite female abusers where they "let you get away with it."

Pam Bondi has been twisting herself into a pretzel trying to redact Trump's name and other elites from files that the public is demanding to be released. What other sex abuse and trafficking cases have also gotten their evidence buried?

H2O Man

(78,647 posts)
26. Way recommended!
Sun Aug 3, 2025, 05:02 PM
Aug 2025

Thank you for this! It is extremely important that we understand this is part of a much larger problem.

Hugin

(37,448 posts)
30. By calling slavers such as Epstein, Maxwell, and others human traffickers...
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 08:23 AM
Aug 2025

The most ugly exploitation crime known has been prettied up. They are the slavers that your grandmother probably warned you about.

Trueblue Texan

(4,196 posts)
38. A-F*ING-MEN!!!
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:23 AM
Aug 2025

Few men seem to grasp the deeply ingrained sense of vulnerability that ALL women, even the strongest of us feel ALL the time. We learn this intuitively growing up in a male dominated society where females are taught that THEY are responsible for whatever violations of their person they endure. Even in my own home, I have difficulty conveying to my husband that YES open blinds bother me, even in the daylight--not because of the light, but because they reveal there is a woman in the house. I am not generally a fearful person. This feels more instinctive. It is safer to be invisible in this world that hates women.

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