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Botany

(76,416 posts)
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 07:26 AM Aug 2025

RFK Jr wants to kill us"..admin pulls funding for new mRNA vaccines"

Last edited Wed Aug 6, 2025, 12:02 PM - Edit history (2)

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Tuesday that the government is pulling $500 million in funding to develop new mRNA vaccines in order to focus on "safer, broader vaccine platforms."

Why it matters: Among the 22 contracts the Trump administration said it is winding down is a Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority award to Moderna to develop a new line of defense against H5N1 bird flu.

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What they're saying: Kennedy said data showed the vaccines in question "fail to protect effectively against upper respiratory infections like COVID and flu."

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"No vaccine for respiratory viruses — COVID, flu, RSV — provides durable sterilizing immunity. That was never the standard and shouldn't be the expectation," Stanford associate professor Jake Scott wrote on X.

"Ending BARDA's investment in mRNA technology creates a national security vulnerability," said Chris Meekins, a Raymond James analyst and an HHS strategic preparedness official in the first Trump administration.

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This is madness by a mad man. The COVID virus is still out there
getting people sick, killing them, mutating into new strains and so to
fight against it we must understand that the C-19 virus’s genetic material
is mRNA and to stop research dealing with RNA is guaranteeing failure.

Not to mention Avian Influenza (bird flu) is a RNA virus too. (I think Botany = )

https://www.axios.com/2025/08/05/mrna-vaccine-development-kennedy-funding




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RFK Jr wants to kill us"..admin pulls funding for new mRNA vaccines" (Original Post) Botany Aug 2025 OP
Didn't Trump take credit for fast tracking the Covid vaccine? mzmolly Aug 2025 #1
Yep--his ridiculous "Operation Warp Speed". He was also booed... keep_left Aug 2025 #25
He was full of mixed messages. mzmolly Aug 2025 #28
It almost was. One of Trump's buddies... keep_left Aug 2025 #29
The science served him well. mzmolly Aug 2025 #30
It's SO obvious that the WORM MyOwnPeace Aug 2025 #2
He really is an idiot Botany Aug 2025 #4
Your brain can't handle it Farmer-Rick Aug 2025 #11
An idiot? No, worse. A PSYCHOPATH, B.See Aug 2025 #18
The "worm" does not release homegirl Aug 2025 #12
"Health" Secretary?? Death Secretary is more apt. IcyPeas Aug 2025 #3
Here he is leaving the tanning salon.. i bet he equates tannning with health Demovictory9 Aug 2025 #5
Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #6
Did this ass get a medical license and not tell us? When? /s /n/t the nelm Aug 2025 #7
I think someone somewhere else asked about lawsuits over his destruction? Alice B. Aug 2025 #8
Such BS Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #9
Science is science. It is based on observable facts, repeatable data and test results, and can it hold up to review by Botany Aug 2025 #23
The hatred I have for these people JCMach1 Aug 2025 #10
Scientists were working on a vaccine for bird flu. You know it's going to hit us. Idiots all. Nanjeanne Aug 2025 #13
H5N1 bird flu is great for egg prices IronLionZion Aug 2025 #14
Those fkers especially want us retired useless eaters to die. OMGWTF Aug 2025 #22
There is one doddering old fool in particular who I wouldn't mind if he dropped dead IronLionZion Aug 2025 #27
MRNA vaccines are a miracle Johnny2X2X Aug 2025 #15
That's fantastic... maspaha Aug 2025 #16
Truth be told, RFK Jr. is a miserable person who oasis Aug 2025 #17
How will private insurance make the big bucks if everyone is healthy? Here's cbabe Aug 2025 #19
And THEY might be MyOwnPeace Aug 2025 #21
This is what happens when you put a heroin addict in charge of our health. Ray Bruns Aug 2025 #20
MRNA vaccine research has the potential MontanaMama Aug 2025 #24
I am anti-RFKvax. milestogo Aug 2025 #26
DUPE bif Aug 2025 #31
Ignoring scientists' pleas, RFK Jr. slashes investments in mRNA vaccines LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #32
Understanding mRNA saved 20 million Americans...... Botany Aug 2025 #33
What a complete jackass he is! misanthrope Aug 2025 #34
Kind of like telling people not to vaccinate their kids against measles or other childhood disease. Botany Aug 2025 #35

mzmolly

(52,639 posts)
1. Didn't Trump take credit for fast tracking the Covid vaccine?
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 07:43 AM
Aug 2025

Now they want to cancel them?

keep_left

(3,161 posts)
25. Yep--his ridiculous "Operation Warp Speed". He was also booed...
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 10:50 AM
Aug 2025

...by his own MAGA chud audience when he told them to get vaccinated.

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By the way, several pharma companies didn't take any money for vaccine development, only for things like distribution or production (Pfizer in particular). Their Covid vaccine was very similar to an earlier one developed for SARS (also a coronavirus). They chose not to take the Trump regime money, as it came with lots of red tape and legal conditions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

mzmolly

(52,639 posts)
28. He was full of mixed messages.
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 12:03 PM
Aug 2025

Get vaccinated, let me rip off my mask in front of cameras and so on.

I wish Covid would have been the end of that monster.

keep_left

(3,161 posts)
29. It almost was. One of Trump's buddies...
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 12:58 PM
Aug 2025

...who was arguably in better shape than he was, died from Covid. That apparently got old Donnie "really shook", as the kids say. Trump was almost finished off by Covid. If it wasn't for the absolutely heroic measures Trump received--including something like 20 courses of Regeneron antibody therapy--he wouldn't have survived.

MyOwnPeace

(17,445 posts)
2. It's SO obvious that the WORM
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 07:52 AM
Aug 2025

in Junior’s head has destroyed his brain (there was probably a ‘virus’ for it but he refused it…), but what about the ‘brains’ of all of those Senators that approved his nomination?

Botany

(76,416 posts)
4. He really is an idiot
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 08:03 AM
Aug 2025

Last edited Wed Aug 6, 2025, 08:38 AM - Edit history (1)

RFK Jr.; "We're shifting that funding toward safer, broader vaccine platforms that remain effective even as viruses mutate," he said.

Pure gibberish. To understand the viral mutations you have to understand that its genetic material is in RNA and if
cut funding for RNA you stop looking for ways to fight the mutations. Sorry my brain can’t handle on how to respond
to his idiocy.

B.See

(7,800 posts)
18. An idiot? No, worse. A PSYCHOPATH,
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:49 AM
Aug 2025

in a maladnístration REPLETE with them... and a dangerous one at that.

homegirl

(1,926 posts)
12. The "worm" does not release
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:29 AM
Aug 2025

him from the ultimate reprisal of KARMA.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. will contract polio and spend the rest of his life in an iron lung, he will be blessed, thanks to the prayers and thoughts of the anti vaxxers to live to the age of 105!


Response to Botany (Original post)

Alice B.

(696 posts)
8. I think someone somewhere else asked about lawsuits over his destruction?
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 08:51 AM
Aug 2025

I need to go look.

 

Hornedfrog2000

(866 posts)
9. Such BS
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:15 AM
Aug 2025

We are basically on the brink of curing many forms of cancer, and it is due to mrna vaccines.

Botany

(76,416 posts)
23. Science is science. It is based on observable facts, repeatable data and test results, and can it hold up to review by
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 10:10 AM
Aug 2025

… qualified individuals or groups. The right wing and republicans got sucked into the misinformation campaign
by the Russians who fed their lies into right wing media, mainstream media outlets, the G.O.P. about the C-19
virus, vaccines, Dr. Fauci and other real experts, and just garbage in order to hurt America, the western
democracies, and the world. Quick Look at RNA. Now, that is the real problem not that Trump had disbanded Obama
and Dr. Fauci’s Global Pandemic Task Force, fired the CDC’s epidemiologist in Wuhan, China, and that he saw
the disease as a chance to make money and get political power.

Btw many years ago I mounted little pieces of fungi on platforms to be looked @ by a scanning electron microscope
and under 5,000 magnification you could see little things and those were viruses.



Nanjeanne

(6,508 posts)
13. Scientists were working on a vaccine for bird flu. You know it's going to hit us. Idiots all.
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:32 AM
Aug 2025

IronLionZion

(50,829 posts)
14. H5N1 bird flu is great for egg prices
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:39 AM
Aug 2025

Remember all last year when MAGA wanted to make egg prices great again? It can also help reduce demand through rapid unscheduled disassembly of the US population. They want people to die.

IronLionZion

(50,829 posts)
27. There is one doddering old fool in particular who I wouldn't mind if he dropped dead
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 11:47 AM
Aug 2025

there is a daily thread on it from Orrex.

Johnny2X2X

(23,693 posts)
15. MRNA vaccines are a miracle
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:40 AM
Aug 2025

This has sped up vaccine development by decades and expanded the possibilities. There will be vaccines for different types of cancer soon because of this technology. We need to go all in on this.

maspaha

(707 posts)
16. That's fantastic...
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:44 AM
Aug 2025

…especially since there’s research indicating mRNA vaccines could prevent/treat/cure cancer…

It’s always been the republican plan for health care…suffer for our amusement then HURRY UP AND DIE!

oasis

(53,364 posts)
17. Truth be told, RFK Jr. is a miserable person who
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:48 AM
Aug 2025

wants everyone to share in his misery.

cbabe

(6,208 posts)
19. How will private insurance make the big bucks if everyone is healthy? Here's
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:56 AM
Aug 2025

looking at you Medicare advantage, united healthcare et al.

MyOwnPeace

(17,445 posts)
21. And THEY might be
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 10:01 AM
Aug 2025

the only ones that will complain enough to actually make a difference for us ‘common folk…’

MontanaMama

(24,616 posts)
24. MRNA vaccine research has the potential
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 10:27 AM
Aug 2025

to give us cures for cancers. But sure, let’s shut that down.

LetMyPeopleVote

(175,007 posts)
32. Ignoring scientists' pleas, RFK Jr. slashes investments in mRNA vaccines
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 01:30 PM
Aug 2025

Remember when Donald Trump celebrated mRNA-based vaccines as a “modern-day miracle”? That was before Robert F. Kennedy Jr. got to work.

That an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is behaving like an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is painfully predictable.

But the fact remains that 52 Senate Republicans were given an opportunity to protect Americans from RFK Jr. — and they failed spectacularly.

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-08-06T14:05:48.038Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/ignoring-scientists-pleas-rfk-jr-slashes-investments-mrna-vaccines-rcna223349

When senators were considering Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, they were told not to worry too much about his radicalism. Sure, RFK Jr. had a record of promoting bizarre and unscientific ideas, but once in office, the argument went, his ambitions would be limited......

In the weeks and months that followed, Kennedy did exactly what his critics said he’d do, gutting key parts of the nation’s public health infrastructure, while targeting vaccines and public access to them. As NBC News reported, those efforts are ongoing.

The Trump administration is terminating 22 contracts focused on developing mRNA vaccines and winding down additional federal investments in mRNA technology, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced Tuesday. Many scientists and infectious disease experts swiftly denounced the move as a broadside on an area of research seen as particularly promising after its use in rapidly developing Covid vaccines.


NBC News’ report went on to note that the targeted projects were funded by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), an HHS program that works with the pharmaceutical industry to develop vaccines and other countermeasures for public health emergencies......

A related Times report published in May added, “To scientists who study it, mRNA is a miracle molecule. The vaccines that harnessed it against Covid saved an estimated 20 million lives, a rapid development that was recognized with a Nobel Prize. Clinical trials show mRNA-based vaccines increasing survival in patients with pancreatic and other deadly cancers. Biotechnology companies are investing in the promise of mRNA therapies to treat and even cure a host of genetic and chronic diseases, including Type 1 diabetes and multiple sclerosis.”....

But as unsettling as these developments are, none of what’s transpired at HHS in recent months is surprising. Kennedy’s anti-science reputation was well established long before Trump nominated him. That an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is behaving like an unqualified, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist is painfully predictable.

The fact remains, however, that 52 Senate Republicans were given an opportunity to protect Americans from Kennedy — and they failed spectacularly. The more steps that Kennedy takes to put people at risk, the more GOP senators bear responsibility for his radical and dangerous decisions.

Botany

(76,416 posts)
33. Understanding mRNA saved 20 million Americans......
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 02:54 PM
Aug 2025

and Bill Clinton’s human genome project helped in the rapidity of the development of the different C-19 vaccines too.

*****

The COVID 19 virus is still “out there” living inside millions of Americans and others around the world getting people
sick,* killing thousands, and mutating into new strains and to develop new vaccines against new strains we need to
understand mRNA, the spike protein, and the microbiology of it and the host’s of the virus. Russian disinformation
has overwhelmed the critical thinking skills of millions of Americans.

C-19 almost killed me when I was in a nursing home from the fall of ‘23 to February of ‘24 fortunately I had had
the vaccines so it didn’t kill me.

misanthrope

(9,380 posts)
34. What a complete jackass he is!
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 03:05 PM
Aug 2025

Within the last couple of years, I have heard about a goal of working out a mRNA vaccine that would target the crown helix in coronaviruses rather than the spikes, which is the current method. The advantage there is that while the genetic code in the spikes change as a form of adaptation in the immune system wars, the crown helixes do not. Such a vaccine would protect recipients against numerous corona viruses without having to readjust the vaccine. It would be a complete game changer in immunology, a breakthrough as relevant as the Salk vaccine.

And now RFK is killing it.

Botany

(76,416 posts)
35. Kind of like telling people not to vaccinate their kids against measles or other childhood disease.
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 03:12 PM
Aug 2025

You know like the one that made Heller Keller deaf and blind.

I read someplace that RFK Jr. has made millions from a law firm that sues makers of vaccines. Too bad
he didn’t get a hot dose of heroin.

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