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Norbert

(7,579 posts)
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 08:13 AM Aug 2025

Trump FBI Director Fires Combat Vet Whose Wife Died Last Month, Accusing Him of 'Poor Judgment'

FBI Director Kash Patel fired an agent with the bureau while accusing him of “poor judgment” and “political weaponization.”

In a letter dated Aug. 8, Patel sent Special Agent Walter Giardina a letter formally notifying the agent of termination. The letter was obtained by Ken Dilanian of MSNBC, who posted a screenshot of it on social media. Dilanian also noted that Giardina is a Marine combat veteran whose wife died of cancer last month at age 49.

Giardina worked on Robert Mueller’s investigation that examined potential links between President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia. That matter has been a sore spot for Trump, to say the least.

Patel’s letter reads:

Dear Mr. Giardina:

This document provides official notice that you are being summarily dismissed from your position at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. and removed from the federal service, under my authority as the FBI Director, effective immediately.

You have exercised poor judgment and a lack of impartiality in carrying out duties, leading to the political weaponization of the government.

Pursuant to Article II of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States. your employment with the Federal Bureau of Investigation is hereby terminated.

If applicable. you may have a right to file an appeal of this removal with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) within 30 days of the effective date of the removal action. For more information on how to file an appeal with the MSPB. please visit www.mspb.gov.
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So an FBI Director that exercises poor judgement, has lack of impartiality and weaponizes the Bureau terminates the employment of an agent for poor judgement, lack of impartiality and weaponizing the Bureau. Did I get that right?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-fbi-director-fires-combat-vet-whose-wife-died-last-month-accusing-him-of-poor-judgment/ar-AA1KbLdo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=2939286e22554ccdbc459b9d92d6b5b8&ei=76
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Trump FBI Director Fires Combat Vet Whose Wife Died Last Month, Accusing Him of 'Poor Judgment' (Original Post) Norbert Aug 2025 OP
OMG 😳 awful TommieMommy Aug 2025 #1
Satan is busier... GiqueCee Aug 2025 #2
Federal employees have strong due process rights. sop Aug 2025 #3
Not anymore. travelingthrulife Aug 2025 #12
Not the FBI. James48 Aug 2025 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author sop Aug 2025 #21
Not to get off in the weeds about this, but a quick review of Appeal Rights for FBI Employees revealed the following: sop Aug 2025 #22
He is not a member of the SES. James48 Aug 2025 #23
Oh dearie, that is soooo old school. llmart Aug 2025 #30
Blind loyalty to trump is now a job requirement for the FBI under Patel/trump LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #4
Not loyal. Bye. See. twodogsbarking Aug 2025 #5
Not see... BattleRow Aug 2025 #6
Have a great day. twodogsbarking Aug 2025 #8
Kash Patel should not be trusted Puppyjive Aug 2025 #7
What exactly are you saying here? yorkster Aug 2025 #11
yeah. that's some pretty poor wording there (to be somewhat generous) stopdiggin Aug 2025 #20
I think the name is as common as "Smith" Hekate Aug 2025 #38
Post removed Post removed Aug 2025 #40
The ones I first encountered 35 - 40 years ago were working like dogs to get those businesses going Hekate Aug 2025 #41
Common name TnDem Aug 2025 #46
Patel & crew are going to gut the FBI. oasis Aug 2025 #9
So I just did a quick read of Article II odins folly Aug 2025 #10
Article II ChicagoTeamster Aug 2025 #27
Right, however odins folly Aug 2025 #28
Willful employment TnDem Aug 2025 #13
Pre-Trump, FBI Directors served a single term of 10 years, a limit established by federal law in 1976. sop Aug 2025 #17
Customary maybe, but not required TnDem Aug 2025 #26
FBI agents don't operate in a vacuum. CanonRay Aug 2025 #14
Nasty Nazi shit. 58Sunliner Aug 2025 #15
Kash Patel must be vying with Stephen Miller for the prize of WPA (Worst Person Alive). LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #16
How far we have sunk! democrank Aug 2025 #18
Appeal the firing Mblaze Aug 2025 #24
one thing i hope we've all learned from this is that DOJ needs to be split from the executive branch Takket Aug 2025 #25
Firing somebody for cause is a really risky thing to do. Xipe Totec Aug 2025 #29
No it's not. Not for these guys... druidity33 Aug 2025 #32
They THINK they own the courts Xipe Totec Aug 2025 #33
F.ck that googly eyed motherf.cker. Buddyzbuddy Aug 2025 #31
People with no conscience can do anything dlk Aug 2025 #34
Purge after purge -- so very Soviet Hekate Aug 2025 #35
VERY Soviet! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Aug 2025 #36
Just makes me wonder if there's anybody left who remembers at all that it was real as sin.... Hekate Aug 2025 #37
Well, you know Americans. OldBaldy1701E Aug 2025 #42
I have such a feeling of deja vu from the last orangeanus administration reading that LymphocyteLover Aug 2025 #44
Politizing the FBI is not good. Emile Aug 2025 #39
these evil motherfuckers are creating a lot of enemies with a lot of special knowledge LymphocyteLover Aug 2025 #43
The FBI can now be classified as The Failing Bureau of Investigation. mdbl Aug 2025 #45
We're in the upside down now. rickyhall Aug 2025 #47

GiqueCee

(3,428 posts)
2. Satan is busier...
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 08:30 AM
Aug 2025

... than a cat trying to hide shit on a marble floor, digging pits that rival the Challenger Deep to hold all the Trump-humpers like Patel who will be streaming into his waiting arms like so much sewage.

sop

(17,490 posts)
3. Federal employees have strong due process rights.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 08:38 AM
Aug 2025

Federal employees must be given notice of the reasons for termination and an opportunity to respond before being fired. Being "summarily dismissed from your position at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. and removed from the federal service, under my authority as the FBI Director, effective immediately" would be a violation of that federal personnel practice. Obviously, this termination is politically retaliatory. Federal law prohibits termination of federal employees based on political retaliation, another violation of federal personnel practices.

James48

(5,095 posts)
19. Not the FBI.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 10:55 AM
Aug 2025

FBI has far fewer protections.

The Civil Service Reform Act, which outlines Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) appeal rights, specifically excludes the FBI. They are not able to have Unions, and have no appeal process from being fired.

Response to James48 (Reply #19)

sop

(17,490 posts)
22. Not to get off in the weeds about this, but a quick review of Appeal Rights for FBI Employees revealed the following:
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 11:58 AM
Aug 2025

As you've stated, usually FBI agents alleging a prohibited personnel practice must pursue their claims through the DOJ's internal processes, not the MSPB. A key exception exists for "preference-eligible" FBI employees, employees with "veteran's preference." These employees do have MSPB appeal rights for adverse action. Reportedly, Special Agent Giardina is a Marine combat veteran.

'Appeal Rights for FBI Employees'

"All FBI employees are covered by the normal federal-sector EEO complaints process. However, only preference eligible FBI employees may have MSPB appeal rights over adverse actions; non-preference eligible FBI employees are excluded from MSPB jurisdiction for adverse actions."

"The category of ‘preference eligible’ employees generally includes Veterans...The statute requires Veterans to have served on active duty during the Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, or active duty following 9/11."

"Members of the Senior Executive Service (SES) are generally not considered preference eligible. Even those FBI employees without MSPB adverse action appeal rights are entitled to a degree of due process for may forms of adverse actions, derived from FBI internal regulations."

I don't know whether Giardina is considered a "member of the Senior Executive Service."

https://www.gelawyer.com/blog/2025/02/appeal-rights-for-fbi-employees/

llmart

(17,329 posts)
30. Oh dearie, that is soooo old school.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 03:23 PM
Aug 2025

Nothing is sacred these days. There is no rule/law/societal norm that he has to follow.

twodogsbarking

(17,591 posts)
8. Have a great day.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:12 AM
Aug 2025

Giardina worked on Robert Mueller’s investigation that examined potential links between President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia. That matter has been a sore spot for Trump, to say the least.

Puppyjive

(919 posts)
7. Kash Patel should not be trusted
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:07 AM
Aug 2025

He is a plant with a mission. The Patel's own our hotels and convenience stores. I think they are planning to attack from within.

stopdiggin

(15,043 posts)
20. yeah. that's some pretty poor wording there (to be somewhat generous)
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 11:20 AM
Aug 2025

and quite possibly over-forgiving ...
(wouldn't have anything to do with that last name or nothing .. ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
38. I think the name is as common as "Smith"
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 06:38 PM
Aug 2025

Do you want to explain, rephrase, or just admit the wording was atrocious, Puppyjive?

Response to Hekate (Reply #38)

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
41. The ones I first encountered 35 - 40 years ago were working like dogs to get those businesses going
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:17 PM
Aug 2025

“They” ? “All” ? “Everything” ?
Do you have any actual sources for your accusations?

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
46. Common name
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 07:19 AM
Aug 2025

Patel is one of the most common Indian names...Very similar to Johnson or the like here...It translates to "landowner"

odins folly

(548 posts)
10. So I just did a quick read of Article II
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:16 AM
Aug 2025

Of our constitution, and this:

Pursuant to Article II of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States. your employment with the Federal Bureau of Investigation is hereby terminated.

makes no sense to me. Now I did 20 in both the USAF and FedGov, and I still don’t see how that reference gives that little creepy bug eyed fuck any authority to fire this guy. It is obviously because he was part of the team investigating shitbag. And throwing in a constitutional reference is just another example that they just make shit up…..

Fuck those guys…

ChicagoTeamster

(447 posts)
27. Article II
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 01:40 PM
Aug 2025

Article II of the Constitution defines the roles of the President and Vice President. By citing Article II he's basically stating that the termination was done by order of the president.

odins folly

(548 posts)
28. Right, however
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 02:10 PM
Aug 2025

He stated this:
under my authority as the FBI Director,

So…. Which is it Kash???

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
13. Willful employment
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:34 AM
Aug 2025

All FBI directors serve at the will of the appointing agency. It doesn't matter if they are the best worker on the face of the earth or if they suck at their jobs....

All of that means nothing, because the position is a political appointment.

If I were an FBI "executive", I would probably steer WAY clear of any investigations involving political persons.

You'll go from a zero to a hero and then back to a zero, all within a month.

sop

(17,490 posts)
17. Pre-Trump, FBI Directors served a single term of 10 years, a limit established by federal law in 1976.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 10:43 AM
Aug 2025

This law was passed to prevent future FBI directors from serving 47 years, like J. Edgar Hoover had. The purpose of this federal law creating a single 10-year term is (or was, before Trump) to ensure the FBI Director would be independent from political influence.

Pre-Trump, it was customary for presidents to permit the current FBI Director, whether appointed by a Republican or Democrat, to serve out their 10-year term, free of any political loyalty oaths and other corrupt bullshit, before appointing their replacement. Now the FBI Director is nothing more than Trump's personal hatchet man and enforcer.

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
26. Customary maybe, but not required
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 01:25 PM
Aug 2025

Any President can fire any political appointee of the executive branch at any time for any reason, as it should be.

FBI director is a political appointee.

I guess everybody forgot about Bill Clinton firing William Sessions as FBI Director on 5 years into Session's term?

CanonRay

(15,955 posts)
14. FBI agents don't operate in a vacuum.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:52 AM
Aug 2025

They can't unilaterally open and investigate cases. Any cases, let alone political ones. It's a very top down organization.

democrank

(12,168 posts)
18. How far we have sunk!
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 10:45 AM
Aug 2025

The policies that describe our national character now begin and end with cruelty. SHAMEFUL!

Takket

(23,488 posts)
25. one thing i hope we've all learned from this is that DOJ needs to be split from the executive branch
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 12:58 PM
Aug 2025

It needs to function more like the Fed. Independent, promoting and choosing leaders from within, and not subject to the whims of a president.

We got through 250 years on the premise of "just hoping the president has enough integrity to not gut the entire DOJ to protect himself from prison" and.... we now know that doesn't work.

Xipe Totec

(44,475 posts)
29. Firing somebody for cause is a really risky thing to do.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 02:29 PM
Aug 2025

You better have all your "I's" crossed and your "T's" dotted, or get ready for a pricey unlawful termination lawsuit.

druidity33

(6,869 posts)
32. No it's not. Not for these guys...
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 03:32 PM
Aug 2025

not when you own the courts. They'll bury this guy in litigation. They really don't care whether what they do is legal. It's important to remember that. They'll destroy as much as they can as fast as they can in the hopes we won't be able to rebuild afterwards. They're no better than looters.


Hekate

(100,132 posts)
37. Just makes me wonder if there's anybody left who remembers at all that it was real as sin....
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 06:32 PM
Aug 2025

…and that we thought we were better than that.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,225 posts)
42. Well, you know Americans.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 06:39 AM
Aug 2025

We only believe and remember what we want to believe and remember.

Ask any First Nations descendants.

mdbl

(8,129 posts)
45. The FBI can now be classified as The Failing Bureau of Investigation.
Sun Aug 10, 2025, 07:06 AM
Aug 2025

Since they no longer care about crimes against society.

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