General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump FBI Director Fires Combat Vet Whose Wife Died Last Month, Accusing Him of 'Poor Judgment'
In a letter dated Aug. 8, Patel sent Special Agent Walter Giardina a letter formally notifying the agent of termination. The letter was obtained by Ken Dilanian of MSNBC, who posted a screenshot of it on social media. Dilanian also noted that Giardina is a Marine combat veteran whose wife died of cancer last month at age 49.
Giardina worked on Robert Muellers investigation that examined potential links between President Donald Trumps 2016 campaign and Russia. That matter has been a sore spot for Trump, to say the least.
Patels letter reads:
Dear Mr. Giardina:
This document provides official notice that you are being summarily dismissed from your position at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. and removed from the federal service, under my authority as the FBI Director, effective immediately.
You have exercised poor judgment and a lack of impartiality in carrying out duties, leading to the political weaponization of the government.
Pursuant to Article II of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States. your employment with the Federal Bureau of Investigation is hereby terminated.
If applicable. you may have a right to file an appeal of this removal with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) within 30 days of the effective date of the removal action. For more information on how to file an appeal with the MSPB. please visit www.mspb.gov....
So an FBI Director that exercises poor judgement, has lack of impartiality and weaponizes the Bureau terminates the employment of an agent for poor judgement, lack of impartiality and weaponizing the Bureau. Did I get that right?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-fbi-director-fires-combat-vet-whose-wife-died-last-month-accusing-him-of-poor-judgment/ar-AA1KbLdo?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=2939286e22554ccdbc459b9d92d6b5b8&ei=76
TommieMommy
(2,671 posts)GiqueCee
(3,428 posts)... than a cat trying to hide shit on a marble floor, digging pits that rival the Challenger Deep to hold all the Trump-humpers like Patel who will be streaming into his waiting arms like so much sewage.
sop
(17,490 posts)Federal employees must be given notice of the reasons for termination and an opportunity to respond before being fired. Being "summarily dismissed from your position at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. and removed from the federal service, under my authority as the FBI Director, effective immediately" would be a violation of that federal personnel practice. Obviously, this termination is politically retaliatory. Federal law prohibits termination of federal employees based on political retaliation, another violation of federal personnel practices.
travelingthrulife
(4,463 posts)FBI has far fewer protections.
The Civil Service Reform Act, which outlines Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) appeal rights, specifically excludes the FBI. They are not able to have Unions, and have no appeal process from being fired.
Response to James48 (Reply #19)
sop This message was self-deleted by its author.
sop
(17,490 posts)As you've stated, usually FBI agents alleging a prohibited personnel practice must pursue their claims through the DOJ's internal processes, not the MSPB. A key exception exists for "preference-eligible" FBI employees, employees with "veteran's preference." These employees do have MSPB appeal rights for adverse action. Reportedly, Special Agent Giardina is a Marine combat veteran.
'Appeal Rights for FBI Employees'
"All FBI employees are covered by the normal federal-sector EEO complaints process. However, only preference eligible FBI employees may have MSPB appeal rights over adverse actions; non-preference eligible FBI employees are excluded from MSPB jurisdiction for adverse actions."
"The category of preference eligible employees generally includes Veterans...The statute requires Veterans to have served on active duty during the Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, or active duty following 9/11."
"Members of the Senior Executive Service (SES) are generally not considered preference eligible. Even those FBI employees without MSPB adverse action appeal rights are entitled to a degree of due process for may forms of adverse actions, derived from FBI internal regulations."
I don't know whether Giardina is considered a "member of the Senior Executive Service."
https://www.gelawyer.com/blog/2025/02/appeal-rights-for-fbi-employees/
James48
(5,095 posts)Hes just a regular agent.
llmart
(17,329 posts)Nothing is sacred these days. There is no rule/law/societal norm that he has to follow.
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,072 posts)twodogsbarking
(17,591 posts)BattleRow
(2,090 posts)twodogsbarking
(17,591 posts)Giardina worked on Robert Muellers investigation that examined potential links between President Donald Trumps 2016 campaign and Russia. That matter has been a sore spot for Trump, to say the least.
Puppyjive
(919 posts)He is a plant with a mission. The Patel's own our hotels and convenience stores. I think they are planning to attack from within.
yorkster
(3,687 posts)Wait...I think I know.
stopdiggin
(15,043 posts)and quite possibly over-forgiving ...
(wouldn't have anything to do with that last name or nothing .. ) - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -
Hekate
(100,132 posts)Do you want to explain, rephrase, or just admit the wording was atrocious, Puppyjive?
Response to Hekate (Reply #38)
Post removed
Hekate
(100,132 posts)They ? All ? Everything ?
Do you have any actual sources for your accusations?
TnDem
(1,390 posts)Patel is one of the most common Indian names...Very similar to Johnson or the like here...It translates to "landowner"
oasis
(53,365 posts)odins folly
(548 posts)Of our constitution, and this:
Pursuant to Article II of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States. your employment with the Federal Bureau of Investigation is hereby terminated.
makes no sense to me. Now I did 20 in both the USAF and FedGov, and I still dont see how that reference gives that little creepy bug eyed fuck any authority to fire this guy. It is obviously because he was part of the team investigating shitbag. And throwing in a constitutional reference is just another example that they just make shit up
..
Fuck those guys
ChicagoTeamster
(447 posts)Article II of the Constitution defines the roles of the President and Vice President. By citing Article II he's basically stating that the termination was done by order of the president.
odins folly
(548 posts)He stated this:
under my authority as the FBI Director,
So
. Which is it Kash???
TnDem
(1,390 posts)All FBI directors serve at the will of the appointing agency. It doesn't matter if they are the best worker on the face of the earth or if they suck at their jobs....
All of that means nothing, because the position is a political appointment.
If I were an FBI "executive", I would probably steer WAY clear of any investigations involving political persons.
You'll go from a zero to a hero and then back to a zero, all within a month.
sop
(17,490 posts)This law was passed to prevent future FBI directors from serving 47 years, like J. Edgar Hoover had. The purpose of this federal law creating a single 10-year term is (or was, before Trump) to ensure the FBI Director would be independent from political influence.
Pre-Trump, it was customary for presidents to permit the current FBI Director, whether appointed by a Republican or Democrat, to serve out their 10-year term, free of any political loyalty oaths and other corrupt bullshit, before appointing their replacement. Now the FBI Director is nothing more than Trump's personal hatchet man and enforcer.
TnDem
(1,390 posts)Any President can fire any political appointee of the executive branch at any time for any reason, as it should be.
FBI director is a political appointee.
I guess everybody forgot about Bill Clinton firing William Sessions as FBI Director on 5 years into Session's term?
CanonRay
(15,955 posts)They can't unilaterally open and investigate cases. Any cases, let alone political ones. It's a very top down organization.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(175,072 posts)democrank
(12,168 posts)The policies that describe our national character now begin and end with cruelty. SHAMEFUL!
Mblaze
(925 posts)And publish your appeal. This could open another can of Trump worms.
Takket
(23,488 posts)It needs to function more like the Fed. Independent, promoting and choosing leaders from within, and not subject to the whims of a president.
We got through 250 years on the premise of "just hoping the president has enough integrity to not gut the entire DOJ to protect himself from prison" and.... we now know that doesn't work.
Xipe Totec
(44,475 posts)You better have all your "I's" crossed and your "T's" dotted, or get ready for a pricey unlawful termination lawsuit.
druidity33
(6,869 posts)not when you own the courts. They'll bury this guy in litigation. They really don't care whether what they do is legal. It's important to remember that. They'll destroy as much as they can as fast as they can in the hopes we won't be able to rebuild afterwards. They're no better than looters.
Xipe Totec
(44,475 posts)Let's just see what happens.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,141 posts)dlk
(13,120 posts)They really dont care.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(10,225 posts)Hekate
(100,132 posts)
and that we thought we were better than that.
OldBaldy1701E
(10,225 posts)We only believe and remember what we want to believe and remember.
Ask any First Nations descendants.
LymphocyteLover
(9,385 posts)Emile
(40,669 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,385 posts)mdbl
(8,129 posts)Since they no longer care about crimes against society.