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mahatmakanejeeves

(68,037 posts)
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 07:00 AM Aug 2025

NYT: "Trump Says He's Going to Alaska to See What Putin 'Has in Mind'"

No, he didn’t. He said quite clearly, at least twice, that he was going to Russia. It was a slip up, but why don’t we quote him rather than “quote” him?

Trump Says He’s Going to Alaska to See What Putin ‘Has in Mind’

President Trump set a low bar for his summit with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, saying he was ready to walk away if no deal was forthcoming.


President Trump’s description of his goals for the negotiation, the most high-stakes international meeting yet in his second term, were telling — as much for what he omitted as for what he included. Doug Mills/The New York Times

By David E. Sanger
David E. Sanger has covered five American presidents and writes often on the changing nature of competition among the great powers, the subject of his latest book.
Published Aug. 11, 2025
Updated Aug. 12, 2025, 4:06 a.m. ET

President Trump set the lowest possible bar for his meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Friday, declaring that “probably in the first two minutes I’ll know exactly whether or not a deal can get done,” and insisting he was ready to walk away from the talks and let the two sides continue to fight it out.

In a rambling news conference, Mr. Trump reiterated that he planned to negotiate what he called “land swaps” and batted away the statements over the weekend by Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, that his country’s Constitution prohibited him from giving away land to an invader.

In describing the meeting, Mr. Trump told reporters that “I’m going to Russia on Friday,” and repeated a version of the same statement several minutes later. In fact, the meeting is set to take place in Alaska, which has not been part of Russia since 1867, when it was sold to the United States for $7.2 million.

“I’m going to see what he has in mind,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Putin, whom he has talked to over secure lines at least five times since he took office in January. He said he would judge “if it’s a fair deal.”

{snip}

David E. Sanger covers the Trump administration and a range of national security issues. He has been a Times journalist for more than four decades and has written four books on foreign policy and national security challenges.

A version of this article appears in print on Aug. 12, 2025, Section A, Page 8 of the New York edition with the headline: Trump Says He’s Going to Alaska to See What Putin ‘Has in Mind’. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
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Walleye

(43,711 posts)
4. As I said, Trump has been listening to and believing Russian/Soviet propaganda for decades
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 07:09 AM
Aug 2025

Rebl2

(17,336 posts)
13. That's
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 09:38 AM
Aug 2025

What I figured. Get his marching orders from Putin. Why did he keep saying he is going to Russia? Does he plan to give Alaska back to Russia?

Walleye

(43,711 posts)
3. He has no idea what a fair deal is. He will slobber all over Putin
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 07:08 AM
Aug 2025

I took a business law course in college and they taught us that a fair bargain was one that was acceptable to both the buyer and the seller. I don’t think Trump is ever made a deal like that. He thinks if he’s not bullying, he’s losing.

tanyev

(48,581 posts)
6. So-called Liberal Media: 'Don't worry, Mr. President, Sir, we'll report what you meant to say."
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 07:22 AM
Aug 2025

Kid Berwyn

(22,730 posts)
10. KGB on Trump in 1977: "The Perfect Target"
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 09:07 AM
Aug 2025




‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy

The KGB ‘played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality’, Yuri Shvets, a key source for a new book, tells the Guardian


by David Smith
The Guardian, January 29, 2021

Excerpt…

“This is an example where people were recruited when they were just students and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump,” Shvets said by phone on Monday from his home in Virginia.

Shvets, a KGB major, had a cover job as a correspondent in Washington for the Russian news agency Tass during the 1980s. He moved to the US permanently in 1993 and gained American citizenship. He works as a corporate security investigator and was a partner of Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated in London in 2006.

Unger describes how Trump first appeared on the Russians’ radar in 1977 when he married his first wife, Ivana Zelnickova, a Czech model. Trump became the target of a spying operation overseen by Czechoslovakia’s intelligence service in cooperation with the KGB.

Three years later Trump opened his first big property development, the Grand Hyatt New York hotel near Grand Central station. Trump bought 200 television sets for the hotel from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré who co-owned Joy-Lud electronics on Fifth Avenue.

According to Shvets, Joy-Lud was controlled by the KGB and Kislin worked as a so-called “spotter agent” who identified Trump, a young businessman on the rise, as a potential asset. Kislin denies that he had a relationship with the KGB.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book



Craig Unger courageously lifted up the lid...





Trump’s Russian Laundromat

How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.


By CRAIG UNGER
The New Republic, July , 2017

Excerpt...

Trump made his first trip to Russia in 1987, only a few years before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Invited by Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin, Trump was flown to Moscow and Leningrad—all expenses paid—to talk business with high-ups in the Soviet command. In The Art of the Deal, Trump recounted the lunch meeting with Dubinin that led to the trip. “One thing led to another,” he wrote, “and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel, across the street from the Kremlin, in partnership with the Soviet government.”

Over the years, Trump and his sons would try and fail five times to build a new Trump Tower in Moscow. But for Trump, what mattered most were the lucrative connections he had begun to make with the Kremlin—and with the wealthy Russians who would buy so many of his properties in the years to come. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

The money, illicit and otherwise, began to rain in earnest after the Soviet Union fell in 1991. President Boris Yeltsin’s shift to a market economy was so abrupt that cash-rich gangsters and corrupt government officials were able to privatize and loot state-held assets in oil, coal, minerals, and banking. Yeltsin himself, in fact, would later describe Russia as “the biggest mafia state in the world.” After Vladimir Putin succeeded Yeltsin as president, Russian intelligence effectively joined forces with the country’s mobsters and oligarchs, allowing them to operate freely as long as they strengthen Putin’s power and serve his personal financial interests. According to James Henry, a former chief economist at McKinsey & Company who consulted on the Panama Papers, some $1.3 trillion in illicit capital has poured out of Russia since the 1990s.

At the top of the sprawling criminal enterprise was Semion Mogilevich. Beginning in the early 1980s, according to the FBI, the short, squat Ukrainian was the key money-laundering contact for the Solntsevskaya Bratva, or Brotherhood, one of the richest criminal syndicates in the world. Before long, he was running a multibillion-dollar worldwide racket of his own. Mogilevich wasn’t feared because he was the most violent gangster, but because he was reputedly the smartest. The FBI has credited the “brainy don,” who holds a degree in economics from Lviv University, with a staggering range of crimes. He ran drug trafficking and prostitution rings on an international scale; in one characteristic deal, he bought a bankrupt airline to ship heroin from Southeast Asia into Europe. He used a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest as a front for art that Russian gangsters stole from museums, churches, and synagogues all over Europe. He has also been accused of selling some $20 million in stolen weapons, including ground-to-air missiles and armored troop carriers, to Iran. “He uses this wealth and power to not only further his criminal enterprises,” the FBI says, “but to influence governments and their economies.”

In Russia, Mogilevich’s influence reportedly reaches all the way to the top. In 2005, Alexander Litvinenko, a Russian intelligence agent who defected to London, recorded an interview with investigators detailing his inside knowledge of the Kremlin’s ties to organized crime. “Mogilevich,” he said in broken English, “have good relationship with Putin since 1994 or 1993.” A year later Litvinenko was dead, apparently poisoned by agents of the Kremlin.

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https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate



The stuff the deleted story needed to withstand the lawyers of MAGA…



The Hidden History of Trump's First Trip to Moscow

In 1987, a young real estate developer traveled to the Soviet Union. The KGB almost certainly made the trip happen.

By LUKE HARDING
Politico, November 19, 2017

It was 1984 and General Vladimir Alexandrovich Kryuchkov had a problem. The general occupied one of the KGB’s most exalted posts. He was head of the First Chief Directorate, the prestigious KGB arm responsible for gathering foreign intelligence.

Kryuchkov had begun his career with five years at the Soviet mission in Budapest under Ambassador Yuri Andropov. In 1967 Andropov became KGB chairman. Kryuchkov went to Moscow, took up a number of sensitive posts, and established a reputation as a devoted and hardworking officer. By 1984, Kryuchkov’s directorate in Moscow was bigger than ever before—12,000 officers, up from about 3,000 in the 1960s. His headquarters at Yasenevo, on the wooded southern outskirts of the city, was expanding: Workmen were busy constructing a 22-story annex and a new 11-story building.

In politics, change was in the air. Soon a new man would arrive in the Kremlin, Mikhail Gorbachev. Gorbachev’s policy of detente with the West—a refreshing contrast to the global confrontation of previous general secretaries—meant the directorate’s work abroad was more important than ever.

Snipski...

The most revealing section concerned kompromat. The document asked for: “Compromising information about subject, including illegal acts in financial and commercial affairs, intrigues, speculation, bribes, graft … and exploitation of his position to enrich himself.” Plus “any other information” that would compromise the subject before “the country’s authorities and the general public.” Naturally the KGB could exploit this by threatening “disclosure.”

Finally, “his attitude towards women is also of interest.” The document wanted to know: “Is he in the habit of having affairs with women on the side?”

When did the KGB open a file on Donald Trump? We don’t know, but Eastern Bloc security service records suggest this may have been as early as 1977. That was the year when Trump married Ivana Zelnickova, a twenty-eight-year-old model from Czechoslovakia. Zelnickova was a citizen of a communist country. She was therefore of interest both to the Czech intelligence service, the StB, and to the FBI and CIA.

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/



It ticks me off to think we have a pee-resident beholden to our nation's chief adversary. That MAGA and the GOP don’t mind make clear who the traitors are. Almost as bad are the US news media cowed into silence by fear of offending a tyrant.

Firestorm49

(4,493 posts)
12. I think we ALL know what Putin has in mind. But maybe the "world's greatest mind" is out to lunch.
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 09:30 AM
Aug 2025

Jersey Devil

(10,722 posts)
14. A skilled diplomat should know what another leader "has in mind" before any meeting
Tue Aug 12, 2025, 09:45 AM
Aug 2025

You don't just say, "Let's meet and see what comes out of it" unless there is a basic understanding of where the parties stand. But Trump is a fool and has no idea what kind of shade Putin will throw at him.

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