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Peacetrain

(24,279 posts)
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:06 AM Aug 2025

So I got a hard time from a younger relative about how to use a computer when we first got one..

I stood there and listened to them make fun of me and basically my whole generation because we were slower on
the pick up with the computer.. As they finished up getting me set up on dial up (this was the 90's)for what ever God forsaken reason they asked for a calculator.

I walked into our bedroom and went into the closet and pulled out a beat up cardboard box that held a bunch of my stuff from high school.. Reached in and pulled out a slide rule and went back into the living room and handed it to them..

The look of confusion on their faces was priceless.

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So I got a hard time from a younger relative about how to use a computer when we first got one.. (Original Post) Peacetrain Aug 2025 OP
Hahaha! SheltieLover Aug 2025 #1
Back in those days I loved my slide rules. Tried a few varieties including circular. erronis Aug 2025 #2
I still have a few, including a circular one. The advantage is that the outer scale is 3 times longer than the diameter Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2025 #16
Yeah, I had one in H.S. that came with a cheap vinyl pocket protector Conjuay Aug 2025 #33
Wow, I didn't know that. My dad had one. electric_blue68 Aug 2025 #17
Love the reports of young people meeting up with a slide rule! Attilatheblond Aug 2025 #3
Better yet, ask them to rebuild the carburetor. indusurb Aug 2025 #4
Timing belt? Is that what holds pants up, but only for a certain amount of time? Attilatheblond Aug 2025 #6
Germans can tell time on analog clocks Old Crank Aug 2025 #41
80's computers were more fun. usonian Aug 2025 #5
Boy, anything with 5+ bands really fires up my geek juices. erronis Aug 2025 #39
I presume you mean scales on the slide-rule for "bands" usonian Aug 2025 #46
Yep - scales. I knew there used to be a term in the brain but it didn't bubble up soon enough. erronis Aug 2025 #47
Glad that you survived. usonian Aug 2025 #48
Oh hell, they can't even read cursive! Totally Tunsie Aug 2025 #7
WW2 :( fernlady Aug 2025 #8
And many professions had their own slide rules sorcrow Aug 2025 #36
Glad I saved my abacus. Sneederbunk Aug 2025 #9
I remember seeing "Apollo 13" in the theater . . . hatrack Aug 2025 #10
I love that movie. Scientists were the heroes! yardwork Aug 2025 #14
This is one of my favorite scenes from that movie. WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2025 #20
It's the same thing that made The Martian so appealing - a movie about people solving problems . . . hatrack Aug 2025 #27
Yeah, the audience can laugh all they want.... sdfernando Aug 2025 #30
I took about 50 of my fellow NASA employees to a matinee showing of Apollo 13 lapfog_1 Aug 2025 #52
I designed and built my first microprocessor based computer in high school. hunter Aug 2025 #11
All of those computers and other technology were invented by and developed by Boomers. MineralMan Aug 2025 #12
On a Teletype Model 33? LiberalArkie Aug 2025 #29
IBM 1620. MineralMan Aug 2025 #49
Thank you! usonian Aug 2025 #37
My first encounter with a "computer" was a tabulator, sorter, printer programmed with plug boards. erronis Aug 2025 #40
I'm so old I know people who refused to surrender their use of slide rules. NNadir Aug 2025 #13
Proverbs 16:18 littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #15
Had to Rebl2 Aug 2025 #19
For the followers of Eastern religion: usonian Aug 2025 #38
What makes you think that this is of interest here? ... littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #44
I had a circular slide ruler LogDog75 Aug 2025 #18
Spock Celerity Aug 2025 #21
Slippery Stick Liberal In Texas Aug 2025 #22
I've seen videos of the millennials trying to use a dial phone....it's hilarious! PortTack Aug 2025 #23
No kidding. I showed my dial telephone to a young colleague. FuzzyRabbit Aug 2025 #25
I wonder if engg undergrads still are taught how to use Vernier Calipers jfz9580m Aug 2025 #24
I was a whiz with the slide rule and loved logarithm tables. LiberalArkie Aug 2025 #26
I learned ot use a slide rule in High School, and in my very first engineering class in college. Happy Hoosier Aug 2025 #28
We went to the Moon with slide rules. Turbineguy Aug 2025 #31
And built Little Boy/Fat Man, the Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam, the Model T . . . hatrack Aug 2025 #42
Put a man on the moon using them. paulrevere2018 Aug 2025 #32
Move! mdbl Aug 2025 #34
Great story! You should put it all in handwriting and the young 'uns would never be able to read it FakeNoose Aug 2025 #35
Similar Story ProfessorGAC Aug 2025 #43
They'd be lost if you gave them a manual typewriter, a stack of blank papers, and an ink ribbon. Talitha Aug 2025 #45
I monitored multiple mainframe systems 12 hours a night Skittles Aug 2025 #50
I've never used a slide rule. sakabatou Aug 2025 #51
LOL...I think at one time or another, we ALL had a TI-83. Totally Tunsie Aug 2025 #54
Newest of the new. Modern technology. Early adopters. The Tandy 5000 Norrrm Aug 2025 #53

erronis

(22,663 posts)
2. Back in those days I loved my slide rules. Tried a few varieties including circular.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:09 AM
Aug 2025

But if I picked up one today I'd have the same look of confusion.

https://www.sliderulemuseum.com/Circular.shtml

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
16. I still have a few, including a circular one. The advantage is that the outer scale is 3 times longer than the diameter
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:45 AM
Aug 2025

So a circular slider rule that fits in a shirt pocket is like a nearly foot long slide rule.

Conjuay

(2,900 posts)
33. Yeah, I had one in H.S. that came with a cheap vinyl pocket protector
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 12:51 PM
Aug 2025

with the inscription, "Physics is Phun"

Attilatheblond

(8,299 posts)
3. Love the reports of young people meeting up with a slide rule!
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:14 AM
Aug 2025

Throw in some mentions of instances where they can't tell time on an analog clock, or even recognize what an analog clock is, and us geezers can have a chuckle.

Now, take a young person out to the garage, flip the hood on a cherry '66 Mustang and tell them to change the alternator, or even the oil.

Attilatheblond

(8,299 posts)
6. Timing belt? Is that what holds pants up, but only for a certain amount of time?
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:31 AM
Aug 2025

The sink won't drain? Damn, we gotta move.

usonian

(23,571 posts)
5. 80's computers were more fun.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:30 AM
Aug 2025


I built a career from my "hobby"

BTW: the Pickett N600-ES was a NASA-issue model for moon landing days.

erronis

(22,663 posts)
39. Boy, anything with 5+ bands really fires up my geek juices.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:25 PM
Aug 2025

(I know that sounds sort of disgusting....)

Having one or two of those hanging off your belt along with 6 pens in a pocket protector on your shirt. Maybe a beanie cap, too. Wonder why I never got any dates.

usonian

(23,571 posts)
46. I presume you mean scales on the slide-rule for "bands"
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 02:52 PM
Aug 2025

Otherwise, I was thinking short-wave set.

My first was a "Build it yourself" Lafayette Explor-Air. Apparently there was a Lafayette store in Boston, because Dad picked up the kit and soldering iron for me.

Only 4 bands, though!





The tuning capacitor was "standoff-ish"

I had a larger Deci-lon. Kept the two smaller ones. I keep only a few reminders of the good old days, though the IMSAI chassis and the boxes of S-100 cards remain.

I never advanced much in radio beyond a little Hallicrafters. 5 tube series-filament design. The equipment was more exciting than the programs or ham conversations (meaning no disrespect to ham radio operators). It's just that I got enough geek in my life and recalling the time I spent with classical music instead (and great audio gear!) my life was really enriched by that experience. I had intended to design and build an electronic piano, but by the time I had any spending money, such things were available, like the old Roland FP-1, currently needing repairs now and then as levers break. (cross my fingers, epoxy is holding, but I move repaired key levers to the top keys, where they get no usage). Anyway, I always had the baby grand, gift of my wonderful parents, and got a Clavinova to replace the Roland before it disintegrates.

I got my first electronic piano when my wife was working evening and night shifts, so that I could play during the day using headphones. I told her about this recently and she didn't know why I did it, proving that it worked.

I have an 80's or so Kenwood amp, but it has reached the stage where capacitors are getting old (it has a constant hum) and it's going to be a bunch of work to restore. And these days, decent, if not great amps are $10 in the thrift store. Most of audio quality is in the speakers (or not) and I got 80's Klipsch Heresy speakers, also from the thrift store, about as good as hitting the lottery, and more likely (since I already won).

erronis

(22,663 posts)
47. Yep - scales. I knew there used to be a term in the brain but it didn't bubble up soon enough.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 03:01 PM
Aug 2025

Nice kit! I didn't dabble too much in those types of electronics after I experienced a body-throwing event with a capacitor. Very glad when transistors made their appearance.

usonian

(23,571 posts)
48. Glad that you survived.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 03:12 PM
Aug 2025

Line cord means unplug and wait.
And get out the voltmeter anyway.

Biggest project was a Heathkit Oscilloscope (well, before all the S-100 computer gear), I asked a friend to straighten out the mistakes I made. Computer gear was simpler, with PC boards and sockets. Wafer switches were head-scratchers.

Totally Tunsie

(11,576 posts)
7. Oh hell, they can't even read cursive!
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:33 AM
Aug 2025

(They wouldn't make it past Sister Mary Janice's first grade class.)

fernlady

(36 posts)
8. WW2 :(
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 10:35 AM
Aug 2025

The atomic bomb was created using slide rules. Also, most everything used by all branches of all the militaries in WW2. Those things are deadly.

sorcrow

(652 posts)
36. And many professions had their own slide rules
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:03 PM
Aug 2025

Artillery soldiers had their own.
Board foot calculators for the lumber industry.
I think surveyors had their own as well.

Slide rules replaced various tables, also.
I remember learning to use a slide rule to look up sines etc. instead of the tables in the back of my trig book. Input and answers were limited to three significant digits.

Best regards,
Sorghum Crow

hatrack

(64,256 posts)
10. I remember seeing "Apollo 13" in the theater . . .
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:03 AM
Aug 2025

After the explosion, the ground crew in Houston have to calculate whether Lovell's got the navigational data right before they shut down the onboard computer.

Five guys pulled out slide rules simultaneously, and the entire audience cracked up laughing.

yardwork

(68,976 posts)
14. I love that movie. Scientists were the heroes!
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:43 AM
Aug 2025

Also love Hidden Figures. Black female mathematicians!

WinstonSmith4740

(3,416 posts)
20. This is one of my favorite scenes from that movie.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:55 AM
Aug 2025


I used to tell my high school students if they were faced with this task, chances are they'd throw their hands in the air, say "This is hard", whip out their cell phones and walk away.

hatrack

(64,256 posts)
27. It's the same thing that made The Martian so appealing - a movie about people solving problems . . .
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 12:23 PM
Aug 2025

Not car chases, explosions, big tits or bigger guns.

Refreshing!

sdfernando

(6,019 posts)
30. Yeah, the audience can laugh all they want....
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 12:31 PM
Aug 2025

but the slide rule works just find when the power is out!

lapfog_1

(31,658 posts)
52. I took about 50 of my fellow NASA employees to a matinee showing of Apollo 13
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 05:04 AM
Aug 2025

The tickets were about $3 each I think... anyway we all wore our NASA t-shirts and ID badges... and had a great time.
A FEW of the group actually started as young engineers during Apollo and had met the actual people being portrayed on the screen including the astronauts ( some of the astronaut training was done at our NASA facility ).

Great movie.

hunter

(40,375 posts)
11. I designed and built my first microprocessor based computer in high school.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:07 AM
Aug 2025

We were still using slide rules then. Calculators were beyond the means of most high school students.

I've been on the internet since the late 'seventies and have built dozens of computers since, mostly out of other people's e-waste.

These days I look at all the shiny new computers, tablets, cell phones, video games, etc. at Best Buy or wherever and think, What a load of shit...


MineralMan

(150,642 posts)
12. All of those computers and other technology were invented by and developed by Boomers.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:08 AM
Aug 2025

All of them. Tell the youngsters that. They won't believe you. Show them photos of all those early pioneers, as they are today.

I'm an example: I started doing programming with a class in college in 1963. Haven't stopped since.

Grandpa did it, kids.

MineralMan

(150,642 posts)
49. IBM 1620.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:41 PM
Aug 2025

Programs in FORTRAN were coded on punch cards. Then, they were compiled, creating a new, larger card deck, which could be run on the mainframe. If it ran. Usually that took some debugging.

usonian

(23,571 posts)
37. Thank you!
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:06 PM
Aug 2025


It was insanely great fun.

I loaned out the kim-1 and never got it back.



But I snagged a cosmac development kit from surplus.



You couldn't get four places on a slide rule, so go to Huntington's Tables.



And here's your "computer graphics"
Mechanical version of spirograph.
Magic Designer.


erronis

(22,663 posts)
40. My first encounter with a "computer" was a tabulator, sorter, printer programmed with plug boards.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:33 PM
Aug 2025

American Management Association in Saranac Lake, NY around 1958. Next got a class in IBM360 BAL around 1965. Been downhill ever since - and still loving it.

NNadir

(37,303 posts)
13. I'm so old I know people who refused to surrender their use of slide rules.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:40 AM
Aug 2025

They were of course a physical embodiment of understanding how logarithmic and exponential functions worked.

Many of the great scientific and engineering triumphs of the transcendent 20th century involved people using slide rules.

They used to make very specialized versions, for example, slide rules manufactured with materials with low thermal expansion.

usonian

(23,571 posts)
38. For the followers of Eastern religion:
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:21 PM
Aug 2025

Vyagghapajja Sutta — Buddha: “These four conditions, conducive to a householder’s happiness…”

https://buddhaweekly.com/vyagghapajja-sutta-buddha-these-four-conditions-conducive-to-a-householders-happiness-buddha-teaches-the-lay-followers/


“The accomplishment of persistent effort, the accomplishment of watchfulness, good friendship and balanced livelihood".

This is too much. I love it. (ancient text, quoted almost in its entirety)

What is the accomplishment of persistent effort?

“Herein, Vyagghapajja, by whatsoever activity a householder earns his living, whether by farming, by trading, by rearing cattle, by archery, by service under the king, or by any other kind of craft — at that he becomes skillful and is not lazy. He is endowed with the power of discernment as to the proper ways and means; he is able to carry out and allocate (duties). This is called the accomplishment of persistent effort.

“What is the accomplishment of watchfulness?


“Herein, Vyagghapajja, whatsoever wealth a householder is in possession of, obtained by dint of effort, collected by strength of arm, by the sweat of his brow, justly acquired by right means — such he husbands well by guarding and watching so that kings would not seize it, thieves would not steal it, fire would not burn it, water would not carry it away, nor ill-disposed heirs remove it. This is the accomplishment of watchfulness.

“What is good friendship?


“Herein, Vyagghapajja, in whatsoever village or market town a householder dwells, he associates, converses, engages in discussions with householders or householders’ sons, whether young and highly cultured or old and highly cultured, full of faith (saddha),[4] full of virtue (síla), full of charity (caga), full of wisdom (paññá). He acts in accordance with the faith of the faithful, with the virtue of the virtuous, with the charity of the charitable, with the wisdom of the wise. This is called good friendship.

“What is balanced livelihood?

“Herein, Vyagghapajja, a householder knowing his income and expenses leads a balanced life, neither extravagant nor miserly, knowing that thus his income will stand in excess of his expenses, but not his expenses in excess of his income.

“Just as the goldsmith,[5] or an apprentice of his, knows, on holding up a balance, that by so much it has dipped down, by so much it has tilted up; even so a householder, knowing his income and expenses leads a balanced life, neither extravagant nor miserly, knowing that thus his income will stand in excess of his expenses, but not his expenses in excess of his income.

“If, Vyagghapajja, a householder with little income were to lead an extravagant life, there would be those who say — ‘This person enjoys his property like one who eats wood-apple.'[6] If, Vyagghapajja, a householder with a large income were to lead a wretched life, there would be those who say — ‘This person will die like a starveling.’

“The wealth thus amassed, Vyagghapajja, has four sources of destruction:

“(i) Debauchery, (ii) drunkenness, (iii) gambling, (iv) friendship, companionship and intimacy with evil-doers.

“Just as in the case of a great tank with four inlets and outlets, if a man should close the inlets and open the outlets and there should be no adequate rainfall, decrease of water is to be expected in that tank, and not an increase; even so there are four sources for the destruction of amassed wealth — debauchery, drunkenness, gambling, and friendship, companionship and intimacy with evil-doers.

“There are four sources for the increase of amassed wealth: (i) abstinence from debauchery, (ii) abstinence from drunkenness, (iii) non- indulgence in gambling, (iv) friendship, companionship and intimacy with the good.

“Just as in the case of a great tank with four inlets and four outlets, if a person were to open the inlets and close the outlets, and there should also be adequate rainfall, an increase in water is certainly to be expected in that tank and not a decrease, even so these four conditions are the sources of increase of amassed wealth.

“These four conditions, Vyagghapajja, are conducive to a householder’s weal and happiness in this very life.

(has been updated in later sutras)

LOOKS LIKE SOME PEOPLE NEED THIS A LOT. 🪷

littlemissmartypants

(31,659 posts)
44. What makes you think that this is of interest here? ...
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:48 PM
Aug 2025

Wouldn't it possibly be of more benefit to others if it was posted in the Religion Forum?

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1218

Doesn't it seem possible that more people would read it there? Just a thought. ❤️

LogDog75

(1,103 posts)
18. I had a circular slide ruler
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:50 AM
Aug 2025

as well as the standard slide ruler. The circular slide ruler fit in my shirt pocket and when I pulled it out to use people would look at me confused. Once you got past it being circular it was easy to use. I haven’t used a slide ruler in decades and I’d probably have to go to YouTube to learn how to use it.

Liberal In Texas

(15,984 posts)
22. Slippery Stick
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 11:57 AM
Aug 2025

Still have mine from when I was in college.
Didn't need a big one. Had some physics classes and I sucked at math.

Broke the glass slider thingy right after I got it.

FuzzyRabbit

(2,199 posts)
25. No kidding. I showed my dial telephone to a young colleague.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 12:16 PM
Aug 2025

She exclaimed "I don't know how to use it".

jfz9580m

(16,575 posts)
24. I wonder if engg undergrads still are taught how to use Vernier Calipers
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 12:16 PM
Aug 2025

My least favorite thing in engg along with the lathe and engineering graphics (cool but hard).

I was horrified when my niece showed me this grifty thing they are pushing on students…an entirely virtual physics lab if you buy this piece of crap that costs $200…very edtech grifty.

Education is going into the woodchipper along with healthcare.

Happy Hoosier

(9,404 posts)
28. I learned ot use a slide rule in High School, and in my very first engineering class in college.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 12:25 PM
Aug 2025

Haven't touched it since then. Soubt I could use it. Fortunately, mine came with a little instruction book.

Turbineguy

(39,845 posts)
31. We went to the Moon with slide rules.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 12:41 PM
Aug 2025

The SR-71 was designed using slide rules.

I transisioned from the slide rule to the calculator in my 3 year of college. My calculator could do square roots. That was handy. We had one guy who had a $400 HP machine. Most of the rest of us had Texas Instruments.

hatrack

(64,256 posts)
42. And built Little Boy/Fat Man, the Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam, the Model T . . .
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:43 PM
Aug 2025

Just because it's old tech doesn't mean it won't work.

FakeNoose

(40,191 posts)
35. Great story! You should put it all in handwriting and the young 'uns would never be able to read it
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:00 PM
Aug 2025

ProfessorGAC

(75,852 posts)
43. Similar Story
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:46 PM
Aug 2025

It wasn't over computers per se, but about social media, and my not having any accounts. (Except for a couple discussion boards, which I think are quite different.)
It came up that X number of people had no social media presence and it's a tiny fraction and so on. I couldn't be properly informed and blah, blah, blah.
I asked "What percentage of the population is that?"
Answer; "I don't know, do you have a calculator?"
I said "I am my calculator. The answer is (just for a number) 6.82%"
Then I handed them a calculator. They got 6.82%.
Conversation over.

Talitha

(7,690 posts)
45. They'd be lost if you gave them a manual typewriter, a stack of blank papers, and an ink ribbon.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:48 PM
Aug 2025

My husband's niece threw one of her favorite blouses in the garbage just because it lost a button. She was amazed when I saved the blouse by replacing the buttons with a new set. She was 22.

sakabatou

(45,773 posts)
51. I've never used a slide rule.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 04:05 AM
Aug 2025

Pocket sized calculators? Sure. The ones that could do the simpler stuff. During high school, I got the TI-83.

Totally Tunsie

(11,576 posts)
54. LOL...I think at one time or another, we ALL had a TI-83.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:05 PM
Aug 2025

In fact, I still have mine, although I never use it. It brought a chuckle, though, when I found it in with my old desk stuff. It brought kind of a comfortable feeling!

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