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#1 cause of death of children in the US: (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2025 OP
Gun nuts rally around RFK JR's moves to bring back measles, mumps, rubella, polio, diptheria and hlthe2b Aug 2025 #1
dont forget lock jaw, etc as well. AllaN01Bear Aug 2025 #28
Oh, I could add many many many more. n/t hlthe2b Aug 2025 #38
im sure u could.:) AllaN01Bear Aug 2025 #39
guns over our children's lives yankee87 Aug 2025 #2
The NRA is irrelevant anymore TnDem Aug 2025 #37
Money Laundering yankee87 Aug 2025 #69
I remember MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2025 #50
Whenever I think of her, and all the ruzzian rubles funneled through niyad Aug 2025 #55
Little off topic but Bluestocking Aug 2025 #3
Can I be a bit non-PC here? I'll bet 90% of all gun deaths of children in the US are caused by men. erronis Aug 2025 #4
True enough, but there have been some horrendous incidents with handguns unsecured in cars & purses... hlthe2b Aug 2025 #19
100% are caused by guns. Iggo Aug 2025 #70
We are talking about gun deaths, ergo, iggo. erronis Aug 2025 #72
Another meme! Omg CloudWatcher Aug 2025 #5
Cars don't kill people Cirsium Aug 2025 #22
Air bags, crumple zones... Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #48
The number one cause of death of chiildren in the US is patriarchy. The niyad Aug 2025 #6
Well stated! SheltieLover Aug 2025 #8
Thank you. niyad Aug 2025 #10
Thank you for your well informed, insightful post! SheltieLover Aug 2025 #11
Hear! Hear!! ♀️💖♀️ littlemissmartypants Aug 2025 #25
Thank you! Heidi Aug 2025 #44
The patriarchy Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #52
Thank you so much. Sadly, your statement is quite correct. niyad Aug 2025 #57
I try very, very hard Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #58
So true ... and well stated! The patriarchy is not only sexist but also racist (for the most part) FakeNoose Aug 2025 #59
Data was blocked during Bush Jr. Administration Blue Full Moon Aug 2025 #7
Consistent with Niyad's post #6 above! SheltieLover Aug 2025 #9
That stat makes no sense. That would Melon Aug 2025 #20
Yes sab390 Aug 2025 #30
You've never taken a class Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #49
NOT vaccines mgardener Aug 2025 #12
Not unless you like losing elections TnDem Aug 2025 #13
1,403 children killed by guns in 2024 womanofthehills Aug 2025 #29
In 1956 -1960 mgardener Aug 2025 #63
Then we have around 4000 kids who are shot but don't die womanofthehills Aug 2025 #64
republicans have failed our children RT Atlanta Aug 2025 #14
Armed! Godot51 Aug 2025 #15
But what about-aaa my rights and free dumbs to own a gun? Botany Aug 2025 #16
Guns will continue to be the leading cause of death for children TomSlick Aug 2025 #17
I once overheard a local idiot proclaim that his guns are his children. miyazaki Aug 2025 #34
They love their guns. Everyone and everything else pales to insignificance. TomSlick Aug 2025 #41
Which mean's REPUBLICANS are the #1 cause of death of children. Buddyzbuddy Aug 2025 #18
assuming you count RFK Jr as a Republican, yes. GopherGal Aug 2025 #24
Sure, but I don't think he knows what he is. Buddyzbuddy Aug 2025 #26
guns don't protect they kill North Coast Lawyer Aug 2025 #21
Great post. applegrove Aug 2025 #23
Maybe in your house, not mine TnDem Aug 2025 #35
Is/are your gun(s) properly secured? (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #54
Oh, they do occasionally protect Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #53
Very true in so many cases dwayneb Aug 2025 #60
Mandatory 5 year jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm MichMan Aug 2025 #27
Oops...There goes half of Chicago to prison TnDem Aug 2025 #36
Apparently they aren't enforcing them then MichMan Aug 2025 #42
it... myohmy2 Aug 2025 #31
IMO, the best Jon Stewart clip: Laffy Kat Aug 2025 #32
Yes that was a great moment. Why I think JS should applegrove Aug 2025 #33
Also ... displaying the Ten Commandments in US classrooms didn't save any lives FakeNoose Aug 2025 #40
Republicans. diane in sf Aug 2025 #43
the pandemic that will never be fixed. pansypoo53219 Aug 2025 #45
A gun pandemic Republicans don't want to end. It makes America applegrove Aug 2025 #46
Give the gop more time at the wheel... C Moon Aug 2025 #47
I think the #1 cause of death for children in the U.S., Bayard Aug 2025 #51
Depends on how you qualify that Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #56
Leaving loaded guns around the house Bayard Aug 2025 #66
Leaving loaded guns around the house Bayard Aug 2025 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Aug 2025 #68
Great interview between John Stewart and an idiot state senator from OK. paulrevere2018 Aug 2025 #61
The possession of firearms is a higher priority than the consequence Torchlight Aug 2025 #62
In this country, guns are more important than people. Iggo Aug 2025 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2025 #65

hlthe2b

(112,641 posts)
1. Gun nuts rally around RFK JR's moves to bring back measles, mumps, rubella, polio, diptheria and
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 04:40 PM
Aug 2025

malnutrition deaths after ending vaccines and SNAP. (predicted headline, somewhere)...

yankee87

(2,746 posts)
2. guns over our children's lives
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 04:43 PM
Aug 2025

After the first grade class was torn apart by an AR15 in Sandy Hook, that the NRA has an absolute stranglehold on this country.

yankee87

(2,746 posts)
69. Money Laundering
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:17 PM
Aug 2025

It's all about the money shoveled through the NRA from foreign sources. Just like AIPAC has a stranglehold on the politicians they own.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,104 posts)
50. I remember
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:10 AM
Aug 2025

when Maria Butina was honey-potting her way through the male KGOP, funneling NRA money, while holding giant weapons and pretending Russia had a second amendment.




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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/how-the-gop-gave-maria-butina-her-ultimate-cover?srsltid=AfmBOoq1itEduVYm3kb8io3TpGsY2mrNsGKnoBBsofcf-YUhM51S9c-f

Butina was convicted of being a covert Russian agent and was deported from the US after serving a prison sentence, then was given a job harassing Alexei Navalny who was imprisoned in Russia by cowardly Putin who was terrified of Navalny.

Until Putin murdered him.

Here's another do-nothing Dem and a link to everything she hasn't done:

New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a lawsuit against the NRA, history:

https://giffords.org/stories/nra-in-disarray-what-you-need-to-know-blog/#:~:text=In%20February%202024%2C%20a%20Manhattan,The%20Trace%2C%20AP%5D

After looking this up and remembering it all, I am completely overwhelmed by all the bullshit that traitor and his cult have put us through, with no end in sight!!

niyad

(129,335 posts)
55. Whenever I think of her, and all the ruzzian rubles funneled through
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:03 AM
Aug 2025

the nra (around 60 million, if I remember correctly), I remember "The Ballad of Maria Butina" by Sandy and Richard Riccardi.

erronis

(22,504 posts)
4. Can I be a bit non-PC here? I'll bet 90% of all gun deaths of children in the US are caused by men.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 04:50 PM
Aug 2025

After writing that title, I thought "No, a lot are caused by children accessing unlocked/unsecured firearms."

But then I said to myself "And most unlocked/unsecured firearms are owned by men."

Signing off as a very sad man.

hlthe2b

(112,641 posts)
19. True enough, but there have been some horrendous incidents with handguns unsecured in cars & purses...
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 06:51 PM
Aug 2025

Like the horrific incidents of children being locked in cars in devastating heat--both genders can be irresponsible, self-obsessed cretins. Still, yes, there does appear to be a particularly prevalent problem among men.

Cirsium

(3,303 posts)
22. Cars don't kill people
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:03 PM
Aug 2025

Cars don't kill people. People kill people!

That's why we don't have mandatory insurance on cars, driver training, licensing, safety seats, roll bars, vehicle safety regulations, seat belts, safety glass...

Oh, wait.

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
48. Air bags, crumple zones...
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:02 AM
Aug 2025

All mandated by congress.

A ½-ounce bottle of my nasal decongestant has more safety features than most handguns.

niyad

(129,335 posts)
6. The number one cause of death of chiildren in the US is patriarchy. The
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 05:32 PM
Aug 2025

belief that only men and their needs, wants, and desires matter, that children, and women, are nothing but chattel, commodities, things that exist only as far as they are useful to men, easily replaceable, and certainly not actual human beings deserving of life. Children and women die by gun? Too bad. Our right to these hand-held phallic extensions is FAR more important to our fragile little egos.

And before anybody starts in about how many women have guns, I will remind everyone who is in charge of most corporations, and our various levels of government. Again, skip the "but some women. .." deflection. We know the pitiful numbers.

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
52. The patriarchy
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:18 AM
Aug 2025

is the number-one cause of death, period.

How many wars have been started by women? What ratio of women to men have been murderers? What percentage of women have been murderers?

Et cetera.

It's kind of a meta way of looking at it, but it's also undeniably true.

FakeNoose

(40,005 posts)
59. So true ... and well stated! The patriarchy is not only sexist but also racist (for the most part)
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:43 AM
Aug 2025

When white men's lives are the only thing deemed to have value, then the lives of black and minority people are also diminished. Just compare the numbers of of black-versus-white when the subject is capital punishment and death row prisoners. A vast majority of death sentences are carried out on black criminals, while white (male) criminals are more likely to receive mitigated sentences. It's not that white people are committing fewer crimes, it's that they are convicted but receive lighter sentences than the black convicts.

Yes the patriarchy as you describe it controls most of the wealth and political power even now ... in the 21st Century. Most men can't see the problem with it, and that's why things will never change in my lifetime.

Blue Full Moon

(3,112 posts)
7. Data was blocked during Bush Jr. Administration
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 05:36 PM
Aug 2025

CDC found out decades ago that if a fire arm was in the house the risk of being killed was around 70%. The NRA and republicans put a muzzle on the data.

Melon

(983 posts)
20. That stat makes no sense. That would
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 06:57 PM
Aug 2025

Mean that 70% of homes with firearms have a death from said firearms. That statistically does not work.

sab390

(213 posts)
30. Yes
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:38 PM
Aug 2025

Probably more likely. House without, 1.00. house with, 1.75. Or something like that.

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
49. You've never taken a class
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:06 AM
Aug 2025

on probability and statistics, have you? That isn't how the math works.

mgardener

(2,283 posts)
12. NOT vaccines
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 05:48 PM
Aug 2025

Covid, measles, chicken pox, german measles etc.

Is it too early to talk about gun violence yet?

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
13. Not unless you like losing elections
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 05:50 PM
Aug 2025

Personally, as a southern Democrat, I am sick of losing because of it.

womanofthehills

(10,694 posts)
29. 1,403 children killed by guns in 2024
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:29 PM
Aug 2025

Most reports say 3 measles deaths in 2024.

Yrs ago, I worked at a children’s hospital in Albuquerque (Carrie Tingley) - a six yr old girl came in paralyzed - shot by her sister. Mom & Dad had no guns in house. A friend of the dad’s hid his gun above the doorway & the 3 kids saw him do it. Parents were not aware there was a gun in the house. Luckily, after months in the hospital & lots of therapy she was able to walk with a limp but one arm remained totally paralyzed. The sister who shot her was a few yrs older and had to go for intensive therapy.

mgardener

(2,283 posts)
63. In 1956 -1960
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 10:47 AM
Aug 2025

There were 450 deaths per year from measles.

In the 64 -65 outbreak of German measles
1964 to 1965, an estimated 12.5 million people got rubella, 11,000 pregnant women lost their babies, 2,100 newborns died, and 20,000 babies were born with congenital rubella syndrome (CRS).

My concern is that the deamonization of preventative vaccines may cause a rise in kid's deaths as more kids are not vaccinated
Right now, that thankfully is not the case.

I had a 1st grader almost shoot off his thumb playing with his father's unsecured gun.
His younger brother, in the same room, was not hurt

womanofthehills

(10,694 posts)
64. Then we have around 4000 kids who are shot but don't die
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:24 AM
Aug 2025

Some end up paralyzed or severely injured.

My good friend’s toddler was killed many yrs ago - by a neighbor’s young child who found his dad’s gun. In was in a very rural NM community.

I can still see how heavy it weighs on her husband , It was her first son and she went on to have two more children - one is now a top correspondent for NYT’s. What would her first child gone on to accomplish?

At the time, her toddler was a little older than my baby. I still want to cry when I remember it. She died a few months ago so it’s been fresh in my mind.

Godot51

(707 posts)
15. Armed!
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 05:53 PM
Aug 2025

So let's arm all children! magnums, elephant guns, ak-47s, ar-15s!

Then they'll surely be safe!

Botany

(76,261 posts)
16. But what about-aaa my rights and free dumbs to own a gun?
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 06:04 PM
Aug 2025

More guns = more gun violence and bloodshed.

TomSlick

(12,869 posts)
17. Guns will continue to be the leading cause of death for children
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 06:43 PM
Aug 2025

so long as Americans love their guns more than they love their children.

I was recently told on DU that I am too emotional about guns to engage in a reasoned discussion of the issue. Let the flaming resume.

TomSlick

(12,869 posts)
41. They love their guns. Everyone and everything else pales to insignificance.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 09:43 PM
Aug 2025

They would be pitiable if they were not so dangerous.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,054 posts)
18. Which mean's REPUBLICANS are the #1 cause of death of children.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 06:46 PM
Aug 2025

Since the majority of those refusing to enact reasonable laws and restrictions on possession of guns are REPUBLICANS.

Guns don't kill, people protected by Republicans, kill.

GopherGal

(2,781 posts)
24. assuming you count RFK Jr as a Republican, yes.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:08 PM
Aug 2025

He seems to be actively trying for first place.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,054 posts)
26. Sure, but I don't think he knows what he is.
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:21 PM
Aug 2025

He's one that should never be in possession of a firearm

North Coast Lawyer

(222 posts)
21. guns don't protect they kill
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:03 PM
Aug 2025

If there's a gun in the home friends and family are much less safe. Guns in the home mean a much higher suicide rate. Guns in the home lead a much higher death by accidental discharge rate (e.g. kids playing with guns). Guns in the home mean greatly increased rates of intentional discharge at unintended targets (e.g. accidentally shooting a family member or friend thinking they were a bad guy). Guns in the home mean greatly elevated chances of domestic disputes going terribly wrong.

What gun in the home don't do in actually decrease the rate of victimization by 3rd party bad guys.

https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/

Then there's the fact that guns in the home actually make your home a target. Thieves love to steal guns as they're easy to transport and easy to sell on the black market.

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
35. Maybe in your house, not mine
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 08:43 PM
Aug 2025

1) I am not mentally unstable, nor it anyone in my house, so suicide is not an issue...A person can walk in front of a train if they are so inclined.

2) No kids, no grandkids, so, no kids in the house ever...

3) No unintentional discharges. I am a former range officer

4) No domestic disputes...been married for 24 years.

As to "third parties" entering my house with intent to do me or my wife harm or steal anything from my home, I wouldn't advise it.

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
53. Oh, they do occasionally protect
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:39 AM
Aug 2025

But only when used properly by someone qualified in their use and level-headed.

So, rarely.

What gun nuts refer to as "defensive gun use" typically goes something like this:

herd a noize out back got my glok and wint to look, dint fine nothin so i proly skeered it of i chok it up as an dgu

dwayneb

(1,102 posts)
60. Very true in so many cases
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 10:00 AM
Aug 2025

Sure there are responsible gun owners. But here's the problem. The USA because of its permissive gun laws is now SATURATED with weapons that can cause instantaneous death and maiming.



MichMan

(16,546 posts)
27. Mandatory 5 year jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 07:25 PM
Aug 2025

Period. No probation or plea bargains.

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
36. Oops...There goes half of Chicago to prison
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 08:47 PM
Aug 2025

And Memphis, and Philly, Boston, Detroit, DC, LA, SF and on and on....Remember, guns are already highly illegal in those cities.

myohmy2

(3,704 posts)
31. it...
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 08:02 PM
Aug 2025

...pains me to say this, but guns is another issue we've been kicking around for decades but haven't been able to do much about...

...you'd think with all these senseless daily gun deaths we would have made more progress by now in controlling firearms...

...shameful...

applegrove

(129,958 posts)
46. A gun pandemic Republicans don't want to end. It makes America
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:10 AM
Aug 2025

a hellhole with dangerous crimes everywhere so women go for assholes instead of nice guys when they marry (it's science) thus they marry Republicans. Same thing with poverty: make poverty grow and middle class and upper middle class will feel their children could fall into poverty when they grow up so what is left of the middle class and upper middle class get mean and nasty and stop voting Democratic because they now have to hoard money and don't want to pay taxes (see Mexico). Financial stress, by doing things like increasing the cost of University and not forgiving student loans, also makes the people who suffer from it to not vote with reason, but with passion (so they vote on sexism, racism, homophobia instead of their economic best interests - it's science).

C Moon

(13,429 posts)
47. Give the gop more time at the wheel...
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:49 AM
Aug 2025

and the number one cause of death for children will be working long hours in factories.

 

Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
56. Depends on how you qualify that
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:06 AM
Aug 2025

What do these idiot parents do that causes or leads to children's deaths?

We know some of them, such as beating their young children or leaving loaded guns where kids can get their hands on them. But those don't add up to the no. 1 killer unless there's a lot more than I know about.

Afterthought: Idiot parents are likely to raise idiot kids, whose own idiocy could get them killed.

"You'll shoot your eye out, kid!"

Response to Oeditpus Rex (Reply #56)

Torchlight

(6,268 posts)
62. The possession of firearms is a higher priority than the consequence
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 10:16 AM
Aug 2025

Not official U.S. policy, but it may as well be over the past 40 years. Some nations choose butter, we choose guns.

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