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Tommy Carcetti

(44,480 posts)
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 04:25 PM Aug 2025

Nobody is saying that you can't send out thoughts of condolence or prayers for victims of a shooting. Nobody.

That's idiotic and that's false strawman like framing.

Thoughts and prayers are fine for a tragedy. It's a perfectly human and decent thing to do.

I do it myself.

It's the people who think that all you can do is offer thoughts and prayers and do nothing else but shrug because argle bargle Second Amendment argle bargle who are the problem here.

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Nobody is saying that you can't send out thoughts of condolence or prayers for victims of a shooting. Nobody. (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Aug 2025 OP
DURec leftstreet Aug 2025 #1
And ANOTHER DU rec. calimary Aug 2025 #19
If it makes them feel better about themselves they should do so. Autumn Aug 2025 #2
This! canetoad Aug 2025 #3
Yes, empty gestures are so much easier than actualy doing something Autumn Aug 2025 #4
This. Of course you have the right to do it, I just personally find it completely pointless. However, while it isn't Karasu Aug 2025 #10
As a believer in God BlueKota Aug 2025 #5
Well said. hamsterjill Aug 2025 #9
I don't pray but I do think. It's funny how the only part of the Constitution that matters to these people... NNadir Aug 2025 #6
They also "claim" to champion the 10 commandments, BlueKota Aug 2025 #8
Yep. Violated all 10 Commandments. summer_in_TX Aug 2025 #23
ding. this AllaN01Bear Aug 2025 #7
"Send out" your thoughts? mwb970 Aug 2025 #11
You're being overly pedantic. Nt Tommy Carcetti Aug 2025 #13
... Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #24
Fine. But who or what are these thoughts being "sent out" to? mwb970 Aug 2025 #28
K & R. Well said. applegrove Aug 2025 #12
I agree 100%. H2O Man Aug 2025 #14
thoughts exist... prayers are a thing... but... Layzeebeaver Aug 2025 #15
See below. VVVVVVVV ancianita Aug 2025 #18
Right. More CAN be done. My Catholic church in FL always has a big sheriff's SUV in front of the church when children ancianita Aug 2025 #16
Especially legislators, whose job is to SOLVE problems, not just pray and call it a day. n/t Beartracks Aug 2025 #17
well said. WarGamer Aug 2025 #20
Well said. Not that it should really NEED to be said ... stopdiggin Aug 2025 #21
Especially the ones that say "now is not the time" JI7 Aug 2025 #22
'Thoughts and prayers' Oeditpus Rex Aug 2025 #25
The principal of the school said, we need to pray with our feet. Ocelot II Aug 2025 #26
Bang Bang Bang MrWowWow Aug 2025 #27
Vance is practicing "Willful Misinterpretation." Longtime tactic of Fox News and GOP politicians emulatorloo Aug 2025 #29

Autumn

(48,936 posts)
2. If it makes them feel better about themselves they should do so.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 04:38 PM
Aug 2025

Thoughts and prayers do absolutely nothing for the victims or their families. The decent thing to do would be to take up collections to help pay for funerals and to see the families through their loss.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
10. This. Of course you have the right to do it, I just personally find it completely pointless. However, while it isn't
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 06:10 PM
Aug 2025

helpful, it also isn't necessarily harmful, either...unless it becomes an excuse for inaction, which is unfortunately how most people (mostly conservatives) use that phrase/gesture.

Hell, it's become such a cliche response for conservatives that it really just comes off as mocking or patronizing whenever they fucking do it now....and more often than not, that is why they do it. They know the phrase is (understandably) ridiculed and they're using it for the sole purpose of trying to piss people off and "trigger the libs."

At least when a liberal-minded person says it, I know they're probably at least being sincere in the sentiment--even if it might not be constructive.

BlueKota

(5,269 posts)
5. As a believer in God
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 04:50 PM
Aug 2025

I am not offended by people saying thoughts and prayers are not enough. Like you it's only the ones who believe that's all they need to do is pray, to stop tragedies from happening that I find offensive.

It's their attitude that frankly is offensive to me. They might as well be saying, "there must be a reason why God let's this keep happening, even though we pray to him to stop it." God isn't the one going around glorifying guns and violence. That's screwed up humans, using their free will, chosing to do horrific things, and even encouraging others to do the same. Especially this society where too many value their guns over human life.

In my personal view God weeps with us, and offers us the strength to cope and go on, but he cannot force humans to love him, follow his laws, or to stop hurting their fellow humans.

NNadir

(37,872 posts)
6. I don't pray but I do think. It's funny how the only part of the Constitution that matters to these people...
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 04:52 PM
Aug 2025

...is the 2nd Amendment.

Led by the Supreme Court that has otherwise declared the Constitution unconstitutional the rest of the document doesn't matter.

BlueKota

(5,269 posts)
8. They also "claim" to champion the 10 commandments,
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 05:38 PM
Aug 2025

but voted for a man for President, who has more than likely broken every single one of them multiple times. They ought to have the letter H tattooed on their heads in scarlett.

summer_in_TX

(4,141 posts)
23. Yep. Violated all 10 Commandments.
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 01:00 AM
Aug 2025

Exemplifies all seven Deadly Sins.

He lacks any Fruit of the Spirit, and embodies the very opposite of them.

Why, oh why don't most Republicans see it for themselves?!

mwb970

(12,137 posts)
28. Fine. But who or what are these thoughts being "sent out" to?
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 08:54 AM
Aug 2025

I would like to understand how this process works. What is the intended result?

Layzeebeaver

(2,285 posts)
15. thoughts exist... prayers are a thing... but...
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 06:17 PM
Aug 2025

prayers are not action

thoughts are not action

Action is what is required.

ancianita

(43,270 posts)
16. Right. More CAN be done. My Catholic church in FL always has a big sheriff's SUV in front of the church when children
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 06:35 PM
Aug 2025

are at Mass. It's more than preventive and not just optics. The deputy walks the grounds, especially all entrances, and sits near the main entrance for the hour and a half the children, their teachers, and other adults are at prayer.

An ounce of church outreach to law enforcement is worth the effort. Law enforcement have families and children and are sympathetic to protecting churches. But they have to be asked.

stopdiggin

(15,355 posts)
21. Well said. Not that it should really NEED to be said ...
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 07:46 PM
Aug 2025

But - I'm actually kinda' glad we've (finally) gotten to the point where we're pointing to, and calling out - a certain amount of meaningless empty gesture (and mouthings)

And, yes .. everyone is aware that not all such expression is either cynical, shallow, or without any true feeling.
But, for too long ... And particularly at the hands of our leaders and representatives ...

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Oeditpus Rex

(43,094 posts)
25. 'Thoughts and prayers'
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 01:09 AM
Aug 2025

do nothing but make the "sender" feel as if they've done something positive for about 20 seconds.

Ocelot II

(130,246 posts)
26. The principal of the school said, we need to pray with our feet.
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 01:17 AM
Aug 2025

In other words, do the thing you are praying about. Otherwise it's just an empty gesture.

emulatorloo

(46,154 posts)
29. Vance is practicing "Willful Misinterpretation." Longtime tactic of Fox News and GOP politicians
Thu Aug 28, 2025, 09:50 AM
Aug 2025
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