is spread this article far and wide. Both the article and the information that the administration is trying to quash it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016413552

Attach that study to everything.

...to get off my butt and away from my keyboard to do something besides complaining in this safe space about the lack of leadership by the Democrats! If Democrats really show some leadership, i would be filled with righteous energy and would show up local city councils or school boards and complain like you see right wingers doing when they try to convince people to adopt their views.

However, I am not doing this. I just complain on liberal boards like this about the lack of leadership by Democratic elected officials. And you know whose fault is that? Democrats.

Are ok with cancel culture…

Apparently they have the luxury of picking and choosing.

... that you just forgot the sarcasm emoji. However, I know that there are poor, deluded souls that actually believe that is possible. It is not. Common ground requires both parties to be amenable to the concept. MAGAts are the real-life equivalent of zombies. They will not be deterred from their psychotic obsession with the destruction of everything that once made this country great. The only common ground they can imagine is the blood-soaked ground they're standing on while they bury us.

they wouldn't be MAGAts.

People don’t seem to realize that the First Amendment doesn’t apply to businesses.

And to be clear, criticizing Charlie Kirk or not feeling bad about it is one thing. But celebrating (and I’ve seen lots of that on social media) is something altogether different. I have. I issue whatsoever if businesses don’t want to be associated with people who cheer the murder of someone with whom they disagree.

is for reporters and journalists to lose their jobs if they say anything truthful but opposed to Magats' lies.

Soon all of the MSM will become state TV with openings for Bagdad Bob and Bagdad Mary. Couple that with Magat control over education and we can have a nation just like North Korea.

" I disapprove of what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

AmeriKKKa is the country now. The rules of the past no longer apply.

THINK ABOUT THIS:

The UK citizens that hung the photos from buildings and projected the images on buildings during Trump's visit got charged with ****MALICIOUS COMMUNICATION********

It is actually a law in the UK................................enacted years and years ago for some unknown reason.................

Trump and the RepubliCONs will recognize this happening as a completely new and humongous attack on anyone or any group here in the U.S. saying anything bad about Trump or his entire CABAL..........

He can say:....... it is law in other countries, and we should declare Malicious Communications also as a law, in the U.S.

The Republican Senators and Republican House Members, as well as the U.S. Supreme Court will jump on it immediately......
They all would benefit immensely from this law..............

So, if protestors carry posters, they can be busted and charged, Internet locations can be shut down as Malicious Communications, any personal email by all of us, is a criminal offense, bad mouthing cops, ICE etc and can be charged with Malicious Communications etc etc etc.........

AND for all who say: "THEY CAN'T DO THAT".......How many times in the past 9 years have we said that, only to be proven wrong???????????????

OMG, this is far far worse than Citizens United.............

This is the tRump regime, my friend....So I presume that your queation was rhetorical?

Yes, for posting his own fucking words....so, you can't quote someone once they are dead, but if someone on our side of the political divide dies, they can all make shit up?

I am so tired of this and them.

Why do I get the feeling that folks here just complain? They seem unaware of what the repubs can do.

And when they don’t I stay home, vote 3rd party or vote republican. I passed by a Reddit where white men were complaining that Kamala didn’t come speak to them and the democrats don’t understand young white men. Judging by some of the shootings republicans don’t either.

The nation?

Our country is wrapped in a right wing media blanket. Radio, TV, social media and even newspapers. Nobody hears you shouting from the rooftop if it's on the empire State building.

And with violence against anyone not RW is incited the way it is now, who would even want to put up a lawn sign that could end up getting you shot.

newsom is offering a pretty good playbook, but fear of losing your job is a pretty powerful deterrent.

Go to YouTube (free one) and search MeidasTouch. They cover it all!

For legit talk radio other than npr. Multiple Christian and rw hate radio stations instead.

Too bad air America radio failed. At least they tried.

Things Charlie Kirk has said.
Gay people should be stoned to death
Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
No one should be allowed to retire
Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out
Religious freedom should be terminated
Multiple black politicians "stole white people's spots"
MLK Jr was "an awful person"
The Great Replacement Theory is reality
Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"
Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
Women's natural place is under their husband's control
Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn't
The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates

Kirk was a professional troll. He wasn't going to college campuses to debate, he was going to college campuses to ambush unsuspecting students so he could create gotcha YouTube shorts. He used cheap parlor tricks and dishonesty.

Makes me sick to see him knighted when he was nothing more than a troll.

As a student and it was his way to pretend to be the smartest person in the room.

“You didn’t care about their free speech. Why should I care about yours?”

If they’re being fired for quoting Kirk is it because the things Kirk said were racist or bigoted and their bosses think these are their own opinions or because they were saying he was a shit person for holding those opinions?

A lot needs to be unpacked here.

1. Democratic elected official holds press conference and includes remarks on subject.
2. Most of media ignores the press conference or the part where the elected official remarked on the subject.
3. Democrats post that Democratic officials need to hold press conference on subject.
4. Repeat endlessly.

Nich Fuentes is out and about criticizing pedo Trump's response to Charlie Kirk's shooting. He thinks there should be continual in depth updates on everything about the shooting. He criticized pedo Trump for not going to the memorial service. He criticized pedo Trump for talking about his turning the white house into a trashy bordello when asked how he felt about the death.

So, there is some amount of eating their own going on. Fuentes has a little army he sends out to harass people including other Nazis he doesn't like.

Turns out he even has shooters who go out after people he doesn't like hence the Charlie Kirk death. So, why aren't they going after Nich Fuentes' group? They are the ones who radicalized and supported Kirk's shooter. The right wing better watch out they created another monster.

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The First Amendment states that the government can't punish you for what you say unless your speech falls foul of very narrow limits. That's it. It says absolutely nothing about private companies.

Nowhere is it written that your employer can't fire you if you say or do something they dislike or that they feel casts them in a light they don't appreciate. As an example, racist speech is protected under the First Amendment and yet many people have lost their jobs because they engaged in it. Companies dislike being associated with controversy because they want to make money. It's pretty simple.

As a practical matter, though, I would disagree with someone being fired for criticizing Kirk or his views. If they openly celebrated his death, though, then oh well. That's just gross and I have zero sympathy for them. There's a big difference between disagreeing with someone and being glad they were murdered.

If they said things on SM that indicates that they support gun violence, I can understand. Esp violence at schools. But if they're just being critical of Charlie Kirk, then it's a violation of their first amendment.

Additionally, when are they posting this stuff? Are they posting during work hours or after hours?

If a teacher posts stuff about Charlie Kirk during work hours, the post is considered political, then in Texas, they can be reprimanded, because they are using government resources for "political activity". This standard however, is not enforced fairly. However, in this case the TEA sent letters to districts, which is political in an of itself, because usually they don't send letters. They are telling districts to check the SM of their employees specifically for Charlie Kirk posts. So, the standard is not being enforced fairly. They certainly didn't send letters after George Floyd. They didn't send letters after Jan 6th. If teachers are just posting their opinion about Kirk after hours, such as "good riddance", "he was a bigot" or quoting Kirk about shooting deaths, it is basically free speech unless they are supporting the gun violence, then it's censorship.


Gift link. (Sometimes people are put on leave until the situation cools down, which with this fire department, which is about 40 miles from San Antonio and is in our media market, I can understand. I think it's biased in this case because this rural fire dept probably wouldn't do anything if the person posted something negative about George Floyd, but then the public up in Canyon Lake is extremely red and wouldn't care)


Other parts of the state seem to be engaged in more harsher punishment. However, specific details are not provided because they are not in our media market.

She showed up at a vigil and taunted his mourners (“F**k y’all homie dead, he got shot in the head”)… then was arrested for assaulting one of them.

No first amendment implications there

…from me.

Same with the students who go to Kirk vigils and then re-enact the shooting.

Criticize him all you want but celebrating murder?

No thanks.

Nationally.

Then if we find out someone has a free afternoon and casually allowing the Republicans to destroy America, we can all angrily nag them with strongly worded phone calls. We should know if they spend too much time in the restroom, too. This is no time for constipation or overactive bladders. They can just hold it during the magic press conferences that everybody will listen to and become mesmerized, crying out, "Ah! The Democrats are right! I was wrong! I'm totally going to vote for them now! I will rush to my computer machine and carefully study the party platform to familiarize myself with their policies!"

than republicans. What they use to call the fifth column.

have been targeted by violence from the right.

Charlie Kirk spent years playing with the forces of hatred, cruelty and division—and those forces consumed him.

——

I believe that folks are enjoined from playing with such things in the Abrahamic religions as well as Buddhism and Hinduism.

"Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) says his fellow Democrats have gone too far in demonizing their political opponents and called on both sides to come together in the wake of the fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. “Absolutely,” Durbin said on “CNN News Central,” when asked whether he thinks Democrats — and not just Republicans — have “gone too far” in some of their rhetoric and in “demonizing the other side.”

"“I mean, this notion that we’re going to characterize MAGA as Nazis, for example,” Durbin continued, offering an illustration of rhetoric from his own party. “On the other side, that the Republicans would characterize the Democrats as a party of murder or evil.” “The outrage coming from both sides is unacceptable in both instances,” he added. “So, yes, both sides can learn a lesson here. And the loss of Mr. Kirk is a good reason to do it.”

"Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, said it’s important to come together to condemn political violence. He said public officials from both parties casting blame on their political opponents are “flat-out wrong.”"

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5506503-charlie-kirk-durbin-democrats-rhetoric/?fbclid=IwY2xjawM334hleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFZSlZnMjA1WEZmMktmaXdxAR7d8kjVOESg6UdTh9bZv-0Dd0-GdRCWvZZVdyi3ja7ymDqoNsRB8DopYtPedg_aem_xkYUMz6PQ0YQzRHTTEl1IQ

I suppose you and durbin know better though

We are on our own.
It is only a matter of time before basic rights are taken away from us.
There is nothing hidden, and no one is coming to help us. Remember, they now have access to everything and people in place to execute any order they are given. And if a lower court agrees with whatever situation is brought up to them, the Supreme Court will surely overturn it.

Things that I thought were impossible, that there would be safeguards in place to stop, are becoming the norm. I’m actually getting to the point that I don’t want to post anymore for fear of being targeted. Just like the teachers that said something and Stephen Colbert, and now Jimmy Kimmel. And the latter two have massive amounts of wealth to deal with the inconvenience of losing a job. The rest of us will not be as lucky.

And we have no one fighting for us. Not even to develop a narrative and proclaim it far and wide. Nothing.

We need a plan and a leader.

...not on the teevee news, I hope, that cherry picks guests to play off themselves talking for almost the entire hour.

I know where they can be found, but I'm sick of posting them for people who bash pols who've ALREADY run and won against actual republicans, insisting instead that something they thought up is the most important and winning thing in the world, and proceed to trash the post advocating for our own Democratic leaders.

Yet they NEVER seem to promote ANYTHING our leaders say and do on their own volition.

This kind of complaint from the critics that suggests Dems have said and done nothing at all is as absurd as it's self-defeatingly false.

The worst is the insinuation that complaining like this in public forums is some sort of political genius.

I saw the TikTok videos and the people were mesmerized by republican propaganda. When their belly’s are empty maybe they will vote for people who are trying to make things better. But in the meantime let’s blame democrats for 50 years of republican buying radio stations, tv stations , cable consolidation and corrupt newspapers. If they give a speech the next complaint is why are you wasting time giving speeches with big words no one understands ,you need better messaging .

Democrats have done this. We dont have a unified "democrats" to do anything. No current leader, no current unity, no current platform for getting information out, no power to enforce pretty much anything at any level of government.

So.. if you want something done, as a Democrat, get it done.

He did nothing to help America but cause hate and division in our country. For ABC to bow down to that insignificant cretin is appalling. He was a mean, cruel hateful man who is burning in hell !

FU ABCDisney and Charlie fascist Kirk!

Called on all elected officials to condemn it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220651567