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B.See

(8,341 posts)
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 10:58 PM Oct 2025

Trump Is Building a Phony Case To Declare Martial Law

TRYING to stoke chaos, fear, intimidation, conflict, and confrontation. To TERRORIZE us, by sending this nation's armed forces to WAGE WAR (his words) in American cities.

A "war" Based upon a phony-a** narrative designed (I believe) to build a CASE.

A case for seizing total power via martial law.

'Never-ending disaster!' Trump doubles down on wild 'lawless mayhem' claims in Portland - Rawstory

Around 200 troops will patrol the city, which Trump has described in apocalyptic terms after viewing what Gov. Tina Kotek and Mayor Keith Wilson say is years-old footage of protests shown on Fox News. Still, (he) justified the move as both necessary and lawful.

"As I determined on September 27th, when I activated and called into service the National Guard in Oregon, conditions continue to deteriorate into lawless mayhem," Trump posted Wednesday afternoon on Truth Social. "Our GREAT Federal Law Enforcement Officers have not been able to enforce the Laws in Oregon. ANTIFA and the Radical Left Anarchists have been viciously attacking our Federal Law Enforcement Officers, men and women who are simply doing their job, protecting Federal Property, and enforcing Federal Immigration Laws and the Rule of Law."

State Attorney General Dan Rayfield has filed a lawsuit challenging the deployment, saying (Trump) had misrepresented conditions in the city to justify the deployment.

"We will never allow MOBS to take over our streets, burn our Cities, or destroy America," Trump posted. "The National Guard is now in place, and has been dedicated to restoring LAW AND ORDER, and ending the Chaos, Death, and Destruction! We are a Nation of LAW, and we will PREVAIL...."
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Trump Is Building a Phony Case To Declare Martial Law (Original Post) B.See Oct 2025 OP
As far as the last line of this OP? johnnyfins Oct 2025 #1
Right he's decided he's going to challenge the american people to an 'I quit' match. Volaris Oct 2025 #14
Time for the American people to wake up and throw this jackass out of office! Jim__ Oct 2025 #2
There are a Lot of People Awake.. Indivisible Cha Oct 2025 #15
I noted that so many folks acted as if Trump was out-of-touch misanthrope Oct 2025 #3
Five years ago the 140 consecutive nights of protest and rioting left a vivid memory. CentralMass Oct 2025 #4
I think it was merely a convenient straw to grasp misanthrope Oct 2025 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Oct 2025 #10
Neo Nazi Traitor LIES. Cha Oct 2025 #16
PRECISELY, Misanthrope. He's LYING and pretending Ignorance to cover his tracks. B.See Oct 2025 #22
Mayhem is in the mind of the beholder. usonian Oct 2025 #5
Reminder: Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #6
No, but they will be used around election time SamuelTheThird Oct 2025 #7
States run elections, not the military. Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #8
All he has to do Diraven Oct 2025 #18
You seem to have forgotten something Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #19
Agreed Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2025 #20
Wish I had as much confidence in B.See Oct 2025 #23
Do the math Fiendish Thingy Oct 2025 #31
Its the optics of it. CentralMass Oct 2025 #11
I couldn't agree MORE with you Fiendish Thingy... democratsruletheday Oct 2025 #21
the option to ignore it is yours. B.See Oct 2025 #25
Every accusation is a confession. That's EXACTLY what he did on J6. Crunchy Frog Oct 2025 #12
ATTN Portland: Do Not Interact With the National Guard MrWowWow Oct 2025 #13
Absolutely - no confrontations with National Guard FromNY Oct 2025 #17
This is old news to an extent... ShadesOfBlue Oct 2025 #24
Or perhaps there's a reason why, B.See Oct 2025 #26
Beware the spit-shine sandals ! FraDon Oct 2025 #27
Havent heard that term in a while! n/t gay texan Oct 2025 #29
How often has someone predicted that a Trump declaration of martial law is imminent? onenote Oct 2025 #28
"It is a gross usurpation of power." B.See Oct 2025 #30

johnnyfins

(3,728 posts)
1. As far as the last line of this OP?
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 11:01 PM
Oct 2025

The American PEOPLE will prevail. Not your phony, illegitimate Presidency ( 14th Amendment). FUCK YOU.

Volaris

(11,660 posts)
14. Right he's decided he's going to challenge the american people to an 'I quit' match.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:08 AM
Oct 2025

And he doesn't have nearly enough cops to pull that off.

Cha

(318,696 posts)
15. There are a Lot of People Awake.. Indivisible
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:29 AM
Oct 2025

is seeing to that.

We went out across the Nation from Maine to California to Hawaii on June 14th Flag Day and we're going out again on October 18.

misanthrope

(9,477 posts)
3. I noted that so many folks acted as if Trump was out-of-touch
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 11:18 PM
Oct 2025

when he told Gov. Kotek her accounts of Portland were different than the fires and things he was seeing. I don't think he seriously believed what he told her so much as he was playing dumb as a way to lie about it.

He knows that stuff isn't currently ongoing. He is just choosing to act like he believes it as a twisted form of plausible deniability.

CentralMass

(16,963 posts)
4. Five years ago the 140 consecutive nights of protest and rioting left a vivid memory.
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 11:37 PM
Oct 2025

I think he is conflating the anarchy of that point in time with the present.

misanthrope

(9,477 posts)
9. I think it was merely a convenient straw to grasp
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:25 AM
Oct 2025

Among the two known possibilities -- he was lying, or he was demented -- one is far more evidenced than the other. We know as fact that he lies with nearly every breath. We know much less about his cognitive state.

Response to misanthrope (Reply #9)

B.See

(8,341 posts)
22. PRECISELY, Misanthrope. He's LYING and pretending Ignorance to cover his tracks.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:45 PM
Oct 2025

he knows Portland isn't "under siege, just as he knows all the other shit that he vomits forth are complete lies and fabrication.

It's a pretext for sending the military to fight HIS WAR on American soil.

And not just against immigrants and "criminals." Against Americans who disagree with HIM.

He's outright TOLD military top brass to be prepared to do exactly THAT.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,001 posts)
6. Reminder: Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 11:51 PM
Oct 2025

They couldn’t control LA with 10,000 troops, they aren’t going to control Portland with 200.

(But I bet the streets will be free of litter!)

Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and people are not powerless.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,001 posts)
8. States run elections, not the military.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:12 AM
Oct 2025

There aren’t enough troops to disrupt or control elections, even if limited to major cities in blue states.

They may have power, but they will never have total control.

Diraven

(1,877 posts)
18. All he has to do
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:47 AM
Oct 2025

Is claim there are imaginary Antifa terrorists disrupting the election in a few Democratic stronghold cities in swing states, and then send in enough troops to scare everyone away from voting.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,001 posts)
19. You seem to have forgotten something
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 09:58 AM
Oct 2025
Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless.

In which cities would Trump be able to scare enough Democrats from voting, leaving only brave Republicans to vote and therefore win the elections?

Portland?
San Francisco?
Chicago?
Boston?

You haven’t thought this through- this strategy might work in close gubernatorial or senate races, but not for congress, and it’s the house Trump is most afraid of losing, and the Dems are most likely to win.

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,631 posts)
20. Agreed
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:06 AM
Oct 2025

By the way, in the past I was critical of Garland, but I've heard Marcy Wheeler on a few podcasts and I'm understanding better that it was the Supremes and Roberts who were the actual villains there. I wasn't understanding your and Marcy's arguments, now I get them

B.See

(8,341 posts)
23. Wish I had as much confidence in
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:53 PM
Oct 2025

what can't "possibly happen."

.. in the face of all that HAS happened.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,001 posts)
31. Do the math
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 05:34 PM
Oct 2025

There is a great potential for much chaos, destruction and chicanery, but some things simply aren’t possible with the existing resources and manpower.

democratsruletheday

(1,871 posts)
21. I couldn't agree MORE with you Fiendish Thingy...
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 10:34 AM
Oct 2025

threads like this get under my skin. Ain't happening for the reasons you stated. Enough with the BS fear mongering already. I'm sick and damn tired of it.

MrWowWow

(1,461 posts)
13. ATTN Portland: Do Not Interact With the National Guard
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:02 AM
Oct 2025

Once you do, that. Incentivizes trash💩mp to declare Martial Law. All bets are off after that. Hopefully, the 800 flag officers will not support this coup.

FromNY

(32 posts)
17. Absolutely - no confrontations with National Guard
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:44 AM
Oct 2025

Don't give any photographers/videographers anything other than National Guard standing around with nothing to do.

Repeat - no provocation...be wary that anyone trying to promote conflict may be an agent for the other side.

ShadesOfBlue

(101 posts)
24. This is old news to an extent...
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:54 PM
Oct 2025

regarding his overall plan. Can we keep this to one or two threads? Discussions about this have been taking place since March.

B.See

(8,341 posts)
26. Or perhaps there's a reason why,
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 02:57 PM
Oct 2025

"Discussions about this have been taking place since March."

FraDon

(543 posts)
27. Beware the spit-shine sandals !
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 03:07 PM
Oct 2025

There are hundreds of operatives and assets awaiting orders from multiple hard-ball players.

Not enough rioting? No problem. We love doing rioting.

onenote

(46,125 posts)
28. How often has someone predicted that a Trump declaration of martial law is imminent?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 03:29 PM
Oct 2025

Many times.
How many of those making the prediction actually know what "martial law" is?
Very few, if any.

The Supreme Court long ago explained what martial law is and the limits of its implementation under the Constitution:

Ex parte Milligan, 71 U.S. (4 Wall.) 2 (1866)

"If, in foreign invasion or civil war, the courts are actually closed, and it is impossible to administer criminal justice according to law, then, on the theatre of active military operations, where war really prevails, there is a necessity to furnish a substitute for the civil authority, thus overthrown, to preserve the safety of the army and society; and as no power is left but the military, it is allowed to govern by martial rule until the laws can have their free course. As necessity creates the rule, so it limits its duration; for, if this government is continued after the courts are reinstated, it is a gross usurpation of power.Martial rule can never exist where the courts are open, and in the proper and unobstructed exercise of their jurisdiction. It is also confined to the locality of actual war."

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