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Chasstev365

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I do not believe that Graham Platner was an advocate for the anti-Harris "Leave it Blank" movement. QueerDuck Oct 29 #1
I see a lot of Dem establishment push back on Platner Easterncedar Oct 29 #2
Yes, in the end, it will be the voters of Maine who make the decision... QueerDuck Oct 29 #14
I don't disagree Easterncedar Oct 29 #73
Well, she's popular enough to be elected governor and in the current climate of anti-GOP sentiment... QueerDuck Oct 29 #76
Platner is way more progressive than Mills Easterncedar Oct 29 #80
I do not find anti-gay slurs, racist rhetoric, or violent misogyny or a lack of forthcomingness regarding the Totenkopf... QueerDuck Oct 29 #94
Hm. MorbidButterflyTat Oct 29 #103
As Democrats, we can do better and not leap for the first fellow that comes along with a high profile endorsement. QueerDuck Oct 29 #105
He needs vetting... 2naSalit Oct 29 #45
The state that keeps electing Susan Collins awesomerwb1 Oct 29 #55
LOL leftstreet Oct 29 #67
We need a coalition that will sink her Easterncedar Oct 29 #74
Platner jaymac Oct 29 #72
They'd be speaking out against FDR if he were running today. sop Oct 29 #3
They still hate him. Clouds Passing Oct 29 #44
Which Democrats ganged up against Mamdani? Raven123 Oct 29 #4
Most Democrats didnt support him at first SSJVegeta Oct 29 #6
Really?? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 29 #11
During the Primary? edhopper Oct 29 #30
Which Democrats are endorsing Cuomo? yardwork Oct 29 #41
Have you googled list of democrats who are endorsing Cuomo? Emile Oct 29 #46
It's a pretty insignificant number Quiet Em Oct 29 #50
So there are some, thanks. Emile Oct 29 #52
Yeah, but outside of Eric Adams most people don't know who these very few people are Quiet Em Oct 29 #54
Democrats who endorsed Cuomo other than Eric Adams are insignificant. Thanks Emile Oct 29 #57
Well, I think Eric Adams is insignificant as well Quiet Em Oct 29 #60
Together we discovered there are Democrats endorsing the Independent over the Democratic nominee. Emile Oct 29 #61
Did you look at the list of Democrats endorsing Zohran Mamdani? Quiet Em Oct 29 #62
Yes, thank goodness. I hate to think Democrats would endorse the Centrist Independent Cuomo over Emile Oct 29 #64
Well, he is at odds with many Democratic positions, especially Israel Polybius Oct 29 #114
I think, in this case the phrase "ganged up" actually means... QueerDuck Oct 29 #7
Thanks. That's what I wondered Raven123 Oct 29 #28
Not a comprehensive list but here are the ones MadameButterfly Oct 29 #19
Jeffries endorsed him last week... PunkinPi Oct 29 #26
Yes MadameButterfly Oct 29 #104
Jeffries DID endorse Mamdani Wiz Imp Oct 29 #29
She did indeed vehemently creiticize him but MadameButterfly Oct 29 #106
correction MadameButterfly Oct 29 #32
I guess "2" is a number. Even lacking an endorsement, I guess we should all be thankful that no Democrat is... QueerDuck Oct 29 #34
Gov Hochul counts, doesn't she? Easterncedar Oct 29 #81
Kathy Hochul endorsed Mamdani back in September Quiet Em Oct 29 #82
Exactly Easterncedar Oct 29 #84
Jeffries endorsed last week SocialDemocrat61 Oct 29 #66
fair enough MadameButterfly Oct 29 #113
Did you listen to the show SocialDemocrat61 Oct 29 #126
We don't disagree as much as you seem to think. MadameButterfly Oct 30 #130
Actually I don't think we do too SocialDemocrat61 Oct 30 #131
Not a Democrat, a Socialist Democrat. Is this the new image of the party, for 2026? question everything Oct 29 #88
Correct. And... no. QueerDuck Oct 29 #95
It is withing the rules of the Democratic Party MadameButterfly Oct 29 #118
Mamdani is basically a New Deal Democrat SSJVegeta Oct 29 #5
No he's not. But, that matter aside... QueerDuck Oct 29 #9
What's the alternative? iemanja Oct 29 #15
That's for the voters to decide, isn't it? QueerDuck Oct 29 #20
Of course, they can always vote for Trump iemanja Oct 29 #22
Is Trump on the New York Mayoral ballot? question everything Oct 29 #89
Yes iemanja Oct 29 #93
and Trump prefers Cuomo MadameButterfly Oct 29 #120
It's important to distinguish between the primary and the general election. MadameButterfly Oct 29 #39
The "leave it blank" movement was a tool of voter suppression and an encouragement of apathy that lingered and carried... QueerDuck Oct 29 #49
The anger that carried over into the general was fueled MadameButterfly Oct 29 #63
I'm ignoring nothing. I'm especially not ignoring those who promoted such idiocy and party treachery. QueerDuck Oct 29 #75
It was unrealistic to think they would do nothing MadameButterfly Oct 29 #108
New Deal/FDR Democrats are capitalists. Democrats are not neoliberals. betsuni Oct 29 #23
The New Deal can be seen as a beginning of Social Democracy. thought crime Oct 29 #117
No he's not. Mamdani wants to help all people SocialDemocrat61 Oct 29 #27
I think that is an oversimplification. thought crime Oct 29 #111
Maybe but it's still true SocialDemocrat61 Oct 29 #125
THE NYC election is in 6 days Danmel Oct 29 #8
I hope Mamdani wins. Democrats need new faces and ideas. Lonestarblue Oct 29 #10
There's some evidence he knew about the tattoo EdmondDantes_ Oct 29 #17
Platner's tattoo was 100% a Nazi symbol. Wiz Imp Oct 29 #31
What I heard was he was claiming the issue was more nuanced than posters understood MadameButterfly Oct 29 #48
Platner's tattoo photos are readily available on the internet. yardwork Oct 29 #42
Who are the democrats ganging up on Mamdani? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 29 #12
Nobody. It's an absurd claim. QueerDuck Oct 29 #16
It's part of a victim complex that exists on the far left. Something they share with the far right nycbos Oct 29 #38
O come on MadameButterfly Oct 29 #53
I think someone who doesn't call on Hamas... nycbos Oct 29 #65
Bingo. QueerDuck Oct 29 #96
People like this are incapable of self reflection or any kind of self accountability. nycbos Oct 29 #98
OK, we need to define who you are saying the far left is that is playing victim. MadameButterfly Oct 29 #110
I've been as clear and honest as I can be. QueerDuck Oct 29 #116
Good grief MadameButterfly Oct 29 #122
Sorry. I cannot help you any further. QueerDuck Oct 29 #123
i saw the interview you are referring to MadameButterfly Oct 29 #109
You know that's not true obamanut2012 Oct 29 #58
It's what they say (claim) about him while not endorcing, that's the "ganging up" krawhitham Oct 29 #79
THEM. Victim of evil conspiracies by THEM ganging up and rigging and so on. betsuni Oct 29 #18
The tattoo PLUS his statements about rape victims, Blacks, and LGBT Americans iemanja Oct 29 #13
This. A million times... THIS. QueerDuck Oct 29 #97
I'm guessing this is an apples and oranges comparison bucolic_frolic Oct 29 #21
RE: PLantner. There are some who argue that his ink was applied while he was in active duty and that getting a tattoo 3Hotdogs Oct 29 #24
My wife met Mr Mamdani IbogaProject Oct 29 #25
What's with the obsession of making Mamdani a victim ? JI7 Oct 29 #33
Both the far left and the far right have a victim complex. nycbos Oct 29 #36
Mamdani is not "far left" obamanut2012 Oct 29 #59
I can assure you that supporting the "leave it blank" movement was not "mainstream" or "establishment" or "centrist". QueerDuck Oct 29 #99
Right. We shouldn't parrot right wing propaganda. thought crime Oct 29 #124
It is a victim obsession. yardwork Oct 29 #43
He really doesn't JustAnotherGen Oct 29 #70
Exactly. And most of us support him. yardwork Oct 29 #77
No one's ganging up on him. nycbos Oct 29 #35
He is not a Democrat. He is a Democratic Socialist. question everything Oct 29 #90
Yes... defunding the police is not "mainstream" or "centrist" or "establishment" either. QueerDuck Oct 29 #100
Democratic Socialists DSA is not a political party. thought crime Oct 29 #121
NYC will always get more attention. Always. Jbraybarten Oct 29 #37
This OP is wrong on so many levels. yardwork Oct 29 #40
They initially treated Bernie Sanders the same way when he ran for President in 2016 ChicagoTeamster Oct 29 #47
He still didnt' win JustAnotherGen Oct 29 #71
I know he didn't win. I'm just pointing out the similarities to how they treated Bernie and Mamdani. ChicagoTeamster Oct 29 #78
And then Sanders became a millionaire and much more well known -- and proceeded to lose in 2020 even worse. W_HAMILTON Oct 29 #91
And that's how we got *rump questionseverything Oct 29 #102
No, it's actually how we got Biden and got rid of Trump, thank you very much. W_HAMILTON Oct 29 #107
"Became a millionaire...." Doremus Oct 29 #115
The right loves Bernie Sanders -- they just will never vote for him. W_HAMILTON Oct 29 #119
Sanders is not a Democrat. Seems that we are moving into creating a new face of the party question everything Oct 29 #92
a handful of Democrats, mostly NY pols, are playing politics in their own state bigtree Oct 29 #51
There is no need for a person with a nazi tattoo... returnee Oct 29 #56
The Deimocratic party hasn't chnnged much from it'sinception. Ping Tung Oct 29 #68
There's always JustAnotherGen Oct 29 #69
It's true there are high profile people against Mamdani - TBF Oct 29 #83
Once people see what it is like to have a $30 per hour min. wage, free childcare, free transportation & rent controls MichMan Oct 29 #127
Happy to report my daughter voted for him in Queens today - TBF Oct 29 #128
Conspiracy theories about cartoon villain Democrats are what makes people cynical. betsuni Oct 29 #85
Is he the one that called for intifada? JoseBalow Oct 29 #86
Used to.. question everything Oct 29 #87
Wow MorbidButterflyTat Oct 29 #101
Not speaking out as much against Graham Plantner? thought crime Oct 29 #112
No one is ganging up on anyone. Blasphemer Oct 29 #129
No one would have known that Plantner had that tattoo had that old video of him shirtless not surfaced MichMan Oct 30 #132

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
1. I do not believe that Graham Platner was an advocate for the anti-Harris "Leave it Blank" movement.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:13 AM
Oct 29

Easterncedar

(5,529 posts)
2. I see a lot of Dem establishment push back on Platner
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:20 AM
Oct 29

Look at all the national coverage.
That is what is making me cynical. Platner is apparently capable of sinking his own campaign, and we Mainers are capable of weighing his strength and weaknesses without the big guns from the DNC spending all this firepower.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
14. Yes, in the end, it will be the voters of Maine who make the decision...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:05 AM
Oct 29

but considering that the voters of Maine keep electing Susan Collins, that doesn't speak much to their credit or defense. Also, in high profile challenges like this (especially to someone as well known as Collins) I think it's perfectly natural and to be expected that there will be national interest in who the Democratic nominee will be. Also, we all know that these types of high-profile and bellweather elections (and any off-year election) will draw in donations nationally. Sometimes for the best candidate, and other times for the most-defeatable candidate, or the spoiler candidate (as we saw when the GOP was donating to Stein). I guess what I'm saying is that the "big guns from the DNC" have a legitimate interest in this because it's not "just a local election". This is something that could sway the balance in the Senate. We don't need need purity, we just need a WIN... we need an EASY WIN... and with the baggage this guy has (being anti-gay, misogynistic, racist, violent... and the Nazi totenkopf) along with everything else that shows poor decisions and an unwillingness to own/apologize/cover-up until it's politically expedient and necessary... that's someone who does not have the ability easily win against a popular incumbent like Collins.



Easterncedar

(5,529 posts)
73. I don't disagree
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:49 AM
Oct 29

But Mills isn’t universally popular either.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
76. Well, she's popular enough to be elected governor and in the current climate of anti-GOP sentiment...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 11:13 AM
Oct 29

it seems that she's the one who's least divisive and has enough experience (in both campaigning and in public service and politics) to find success against Collins. Platner is a disaster. He's divisive. His campaign is over, it's just that his most ardent supporters (who likely have just ONE reason for supporting him) don't know it yet.

Easterncedar

(5,529 posts)
80. Platner is way more progressive than Mills
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 01:29 PM
Oct 29

Last edited Wed Oct 29, 2025, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)

He is a convincing speaker. That’s two good reasons. My lefty friends found him inspirational. Mills, for all her very good points, is a centrist and a very dull speaker. She is a very good governor! She would make a good Senator. The right really really hates her, though, and are painting her as an oppressor of the girls in their locker rooms. That sad sick argument has gained traction since Mills last ran for office.

Please try to be a bit more nuanced in your argument. Platner’s supporters are not necessarily fools or bigots.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
94. I do not find anti-gay slurs, racist rhetoric, or violent misogyny or a lack of forthcomingness regarding the Totenkopf...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:33 PM
Oct 29

to be inspiring or progressive at all. That's three reasons (as long as we're keeping score.) Nor do I find it very convincing that in ALL THIS TIME, he never knew what it meant (and if he did, he wasn't ashamed enough to have it removed/covered). And only when it's politically expedient or necessary are the mea-culpa's coming out. But they feel forced, or like his hand was forced, rather than sincere contrition and understanding. It's one of those "I'm sorry you were offended" or "I'm sorry this offends you." He wants to be a US Senator, but we see that he has very little understanding of world history and what symbols like that represent and how hurtful they are... and still he has the nerve to claim that he is the victim. Well there's four more reasons that many people will find his candidacy to be unpalatable. I do not think his supporters are "fools or bigots" but I do believe that many of his loudest supporters are in his camp for one reason only, and that they have not fully examined his past, his history, his evasiveness, his excuse-making, his victim-claiming, his lack of historical knowledge, his lack of experience, his temperament, his demeanor. Perhaps running to be a STATE senator, or a mayor, or a US Rep would be the place for him to test his mettle and see if he's got the right stuff when it comes down to rubber hitting the pavement.

Speaking of "being nuanced"... please try to be a bit more aware of his past words and how hurtful (and harmful) those things are to people like myself and others.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,185 posts)
103. Hm.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 04:02 PM
Oct 29

"...his past, his history, his evasiveness, his excuse-making, his victim-claiming, his lack of historical knowledge, his lack of experience, his temperament, his demeanor."

Sounds so familiar...just like a MAGAt Republican.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
105. As Democrats, we can do better and not leap for the first fellow that comes along with a high profile endorsement.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 04:30 PM
Oct 29

This is why it's important to vet candidates. Before "getting in bed" with a candidate who sounds good when reading a speech... it's essential that we look at their past. Things like this reveal much. Of course we all make mistakes and "people change" but was the change genuine and sincere, or was it politically expedient? Was it forced or was it heartfelt? I simply cannot accept the "excuse" that he didn't know what the Totenkopf meant at the time, or in the many MANY years since. Why was it only covered "just now" instead of years ago? How can someone wanting to be a US Senator expect to convince people to vote for them when they are (seemingly) oblivious to the historical context?

I'd hope... expect... that the voters in Maine would want a Democrat who has the experience necessary to serve as an effective leader in the Senate. This is not an "entry level" job for someone who's never held an elected office. And I can assure everyone that Susan Collins and the rest of the GOP are hoping he's the nominee. Easy to defeat, easy to exploit his past statements and actions against him in political ads. Susan Collins would be re-elected in a cakewalk.

We need a stronger candidate... someone without BAGGAGE. We don't need perfect, we just need strong and experienced. Even if Mills is a late-in-life "placeholder" one-term Senator... that's FINE WITH ME. We need to regain control of the Senate RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

2naSalit

(100,008 posts)
45. He needs vetting...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:54 AM
Oct 29

Just because he can make a presentation that makes people feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't mean he's who we need in the Senate.

I was having a discussion with another DUer about Platner and we noticed that he was flying high before Mills announced her candidacy. A week later, he's falling in the polls. The only time he was ahead of her was before she announced and the days following... until Mainers had time to hear about her running.

Also, speculation about him as a possible infiltrator, running as a Dem only to vote against us once in office as a saboteur. And before you flame me about it, I saw it up close and personal in Montana, Idaho and other states starting three general election cycles ago. I can see where such practice could be put into action here since it looks like concerned susan is looking like a loser this time around.

Just a thought, it has been going on elsewhere so I'm going to keep an eye on him. Mills is the solid favorite.

awesomerwb1

(4,987 posts)
55. The state that keeps electing Susan Collins
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:19 AM
Oct 29

needs adult supervision at all times.

leftstreet

(38,820 posts)
67. LOL
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:01 AM
Oct 29

indeed!

Easterncedar

(5,529 posts)
74. We need a coalition that will sink her
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:50 AM
Oct 29

I wish I believed Mills could do it

jaymac

(248 posts)
72. Platner
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:34 AM
Oct 29

I was not a huge Platner fan until Mills jumped into the race at Svhumer's pushing. what corporate dems will do to socialist/populist dems is insidious and one of the reasons the dems lose races. After the Harris Waltz campaign when many were hard pressed to explain why they lost, we said the dems need to take a HARD left and re-claim their people centered agenda. so far all the DNC crowd can do is dump on anyone who does not adhere to the party line. The dragging of feet to support Mamdani and the all out crush to cut Platner's senate run will bite them in the tushie. Janet Mills needs to get out of the race.

sop

(17,426 posts)
3. They'd be speaking out against FDR if he were running today.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:29 AM
Oct 29

Clouds Passing

(7,001 posts)
44. They still hate him.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:44 AM
Oct 29

Raven123

(7,545 posts)
4. Which Democrats ganged up against Mamdani?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:35 AM
Oct 29

SSJVegeta

(2,313 posts)
6. Most Democrats didnt support him at first
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:46 AM
Oct 29

Many are endorsing Cuomo

SocialDemocrat61

(6,842 posts)
11. Really??
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:57 AM
Oct 29

Here is the current list of endorsement

ZOHRAN MAMDANI (Democrat)

Elected officials: Gov. Kathy Hochul, Lt. Gov. Antonio Delgado, state Attorney General Letitia James, Reps. Hakeem Jeffries, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jerrold Nadler, Nydia Velázquez, Adriano Espaillat, Pat Ryan and Yvette Clarke, state Comptroller Tom DiNapoli, New York City Comptroller Brad Lander, Public Advocate Jumaane Williams, state Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins, Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie, state Sens. Brad Hoylman-Sigal, John Liu, Julia Salazar, Jabari Brisport, Kristen Gonzalez, Gustavo Rivera, Michael Gianaris, Zellnor Myrie, Luis Sepúlveda, José Serrano, Nathalia Fernandez, Liz Krueger, Andrew Gounardes, and Samra Brouk, Bronx Democratic Party Chair and state Sen. Jamaal Bailey, Brooklyn Democratic Party Chair and Assembly Member Rodneyse Bichotte Hermelyn, Assembly Members Micah Lasher, Emily Gallagher, Phara Souffrant Forest, Marcela Mitaynes, Karines Reyes, Claire Valdez, Sarahana Shrestha, Khaleel Anderson, Robert Carroll, Jessica González-Rojas, Brian Cunningham, Steven Raga, Manny De Los Santos, Khaleel Anderson, Bobby Carroll, George Alvarez, Jordan Wright, Harvey Epstein, Al Taylor, Tony Simone, Emerita Torres, Landon Dais, Alex Bores, Maritza Davila, Monique Chandler-Waterman and Jo Anne Simon, Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine, Brooklyn Borough President Antonio Reynoso, Queens Borough President Donovan Richards, Bronx Borough President Vanessa Gibson, City Council Speaker Adrienne Adams, City Council Members Chi Ossé, Justin Brannan, Shaun Abreu, Carmen De La Rosa, Pierina Sanchez, Jennifer Gutiérrez, Sandy Nurse, Lincoln Restler, Alexa Avilés, Tiffany Cabán, Shahana Hanif, Erik Bottcher, Crystal Hudson, Rita Joseph, Julie Won, Oswald Feliz, Diana Ayala, Kevin Riley, Chris Marte, Farah Louis and Amanda Farías.

Labor: District Council 37, United Federation of Teachers, 32BJ SEIU, NYC Central Labor Council AFL-CIO, Hotel and Gaming Trades Council, New York State Nurses Association, United Auto Workers Region 9A, American Federation of Musicians Local 802, 1199SEIU United Healthcare Workers East, Actors’ Equity Association, Communications Workers of America, Professional Staff Congress-CUNY

Organizations: New York Working Families Party, New York City Democratic Socialists of America, Manhattan Democratic Party, Staten Island Democratic Party, Bronx Democratic Party, New York Immigration Coalition Action, New York Communities for Change, CAAAV (formerly the Committee Against Anti-Asian Violence) Voice, DRUM (Desis Rising Up & Moving) Beats, VOCAL Action Fund, Citizen Action of New York, New York State Tenant Bloc, Jews for Racial and Economic Justice’s political arm The Jewish Vote, Riders Alliance, Abundance New York

Others: U.S. Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and Chris Van Hollen, Reps. Pramila Jayapal, Ro Khanna and Jamie Raskin, former Rep. Jamaal Bowman, former Mayor Bill de Blasio, former U.S. Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris, New York City Department of Transportation Commissioner Ydanis Rodriguez

ANDREW CUOMO (Democrat running as an independent candidate)

Elected officials: Mayor Eric Adams, state Sen. Sam Sutton, Assembly Member David Weprin

Labor: IBEW Local 3, Teamsters Local 237, Teamsters Joint Council 16, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 726 and ATU NY State Legislative Conference Board, New York City Deputy Sheriffs’ Benevolent Association, New York City Coalition of the International Union of Operating Engineers

Organizations: Crown Heights United PAC, Asian Wave Alliance, PLACE NYC

Others: Former Gov. David Paterson, Jim Walden, Elisha Wiesel, the Staten Island Advance, former Rep. George Santos, former New York Attorney General Robert Abrams, the Daily News editorial board, the New York Sun editorial board

edhopper

(37,069 posts)
30. During the Primary?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:47 AM
Oct 29

Because here in NY now, I don't see Dems backing Cuomo.

In the Primary Dems were under no obligation to back Momdami.

yardwork

(68,976 posts)
41. Which Democrats are endorsing Cuomo?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:24 AM
Oct 29

Emile

(40,616 posts)
46. Have you googled list of democrats who are endorsing Cuomo?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:56 AM
Oct 29

Emile

(40,616 posts)
52. So there are some, thanks.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:16 AM
Oct 29

Quiet Em

(2,539 posts)
54. Yeah, but outside of Eric Adams most people don't know who these very few people are
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:17 AM
Oct 29

Emile

(40,616 posts)
57. Democrats who endorsed Cuomo other than Eric Adams are insignificant. Thanks
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:20 AM
Oct 29

Quiet Em

(2,539 posts)
60. Well, I think Eric Adams is insignificant as well
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:28 AM
Oct 29

But yeah, the number of endorsements is insignificant. Insignificant as in very little.

Emile

(40,616 posts)
61. Together we discovered there are Democrats endorsing the Independent over the Democratic nominee.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:35 AM
Oct 29

Quiet Em

(2,539 posts)
62. Did you look at the list of Democrats endorsing Zohran Mamdani?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:38 AM
Oct 29

It's huge.

Democrats are overwhelmingly supporting Zohran Mamdani. Not Cuomo.

Emile

(40,616 posts)
64. Yes, thank goodness. I hate to think Democrats would endorse the Centrist Independent Cuomo over
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:41 AM
Oct 29

the Democratic nominee.

Polybius

(21,511 posts)
114. Well, he is at odds with many Democratic positions, especially Israel
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:43 PM
Oct 29

I'm actually surprised the number isn't higher.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
7. I think, in this case the phrase "ganged up" actually means...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:46 AM
Oct 29

something more along the lines of: "did not warmly embrace" and... "are not giddy with enthusiasm" and... "have not endorsed", etc.

"Ganged-up" is subjective and it's all a matter of perspective, isn't it. I think that this particular viewing angle and perspective is not very realistic, however.

Raven123

(7,545 posts)
28. Thanks. That's what I wondered
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:44 AM
Oct 29

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
19. Not a comprehensive list but here are the ones
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:21 AM
Oct 29

I'm aware of:
A number of Democratic leaders who normally would have endorsed the Democratic nominee aren't doing it this time. Schumer, Jeffries...
Gillebrand has vehemently criticized Mamdani.
Also, another Congresswoman from NY but I don't recall her name.
Bloomberg has given more than 8 million $ to a pro-Cuomo superpack

PunkinPi

(5,244 posts)
26. Jeffries endorsed him last week...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:44 AM
Oct 29

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
104. Yes
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 04:20 PM
Oct 29

I was away, have made a correction

Wiz Imp

(8,983 posts)
29. Jeffries DID endorse Mamdani
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:45 AM
Oct 29

Bloomberg is not a Democrat. Gillibrand did NOT vehemently criticize Mamdani. She criticized him at one point then apologized. Schumer & Gillibrand have not endorsed anyone.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
106. She did indeed vehemently creiticize him but
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 04:44 PM
Oct 29

I see now she has apologized, which is good.
I'm not suggesting Schumer and Gillebrand have endorsed Cuomo. Gillebrand simply can't endorse someone thrown out of office for sexual harrassment, given her history.

I accused Bloomberg of not being a Democrat when he ran for president, but I think running for the Democratic nomination and donating tens of millions of dollars to Democratic causes implies a shift from his previously Republican life. He is donating to Cuomo, not to Curtis Sliwa.

Note my correction on Jeffires in this thread. I was away and not connected to internet or news last week. There are still more articles online that are outdated and say he hasn't endorsed, than articles that say he did. I'm glad he committed before early voting, but I think he waited rather long to be really effective.
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MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
32. correction
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:52 AM
Oct 29

A previous post says Jeffries has endorsed. I was away and in a media blockout so I missed that and any other endorsements in the last week.
Also, Gillebrand has issued an apology for her statements in the interview where she trashed Mamdani. Not an endorsement, but a softening of one of the most egregious attacks on Mamdani.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
34. I guess "2" is a number. Even lacking an endorsement, I guess we should all be thankful that no Democrat is...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:00 AM
Oct 29

promoting any sort of "leave-it-blank" movement that would clearly be designed to HARM the nominee. Apathy is one thing, but to actively harm and advocate AGAINST the party's candidate is unforgivable... don't you agree?

Easterncedar

(5,529 posts)
81. Gov Hochul counts, doesn't she?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 01:36 PM
Oct 29

Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Quiet Em

(2,539 posts)
82. Kathy Hochul endorsed Mamdani back in September
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 01:45 PM
Oct 29

Easterncedar

(5,529 posts)
84. Exactly
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 01:50 PM
Oct 29

SocialDemocrat61

(6,842 posts)
66. Jeffries endorsed last week
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:59 AM
Oct 29

Schumer hasn't yet, but in 21 he didn't endorse Adams until the weekend before the election, so we will see.
Gillibrand did make some critical remarks on a radio talk show based on what a caller said and she later apologized. But she doesn't live in NYC and has never endorsed a candidate for mayor.
Bloomberg is not a Democrat. He's and independent who ran for Mayor as a Republican.
Not sure of the Congressperson you're referring to. Are they from NYC or upstate?

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
113. fair enough
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:39 PM
Oct 29

but I think Gilllebrand's criticism was a big deal and even DUers are still quoting it, not her apology.
Bloomberg is not someone I would ever trust as a Democrat, but he ran for President in the Democratic primaries, and was the biggest donor to Democrats in the general election. So his choice for Cuomo over Mamdani counts for something.
I'm sorry I can't remember the Congresswoman's name. I think she might be from Long Island. i saw an interview right after the primary, not someone I was familiar with.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,842 posts)
126. Did you listen to the show
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:30 PM
Oct 29

If you listen to the whole thing, she came on the show to talk about federal issues and not the mayor’s election. Then they put though a caller who brought up Mamdani and it was obvious she wasn’t prepared for it. She made some harsh comments but it seemed more from ignorance than malice. she’s not from nyc and has never gotten involved in nyc elections before, but some will look for any excuse to demonize her. To her credit, she did apologize for her comments.
As far as Bloomberg, I don’t care how much he’s donated. Trump donated to democrats for decades. And he ran for mayor as a republican three times. During the RNC in 2004, he illegally detained anti war protesters and later supported the racist stop and frisk policy.
If you can’t remember the name of the the other person, I can’t comment.
But as this bs talk about Mamdani not being supported by other democrats is just the usual grievance shopping by those who want to play victim. He’s gotten plenty of support.
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/endorsements

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
130. We don't disagree as much as you seem to think.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:07 AM
Oct 30

I was responding to a question in a post: what Democrats are beating up on Mamdani? I responded with my list. It wasn't very long. I made no judgement on how big a deal that was. I'm pretty happy now about how things have evolved. I never expected Democrats from all over the country to get involved. I did think Jeffries and Schumer should endorse, given they live in the city and are the leadership of the Democratic Party.

My only qualm with anything you say is the terms "grievance shopping" and "playing victim". Maybe some reactions are exaggerated--but can one object without being a victim? At the beginning there WAS a lot of talk in the media (right or wrong) of Mamdani not getting support from the party. There WAS a need to call for Democratic party support. Mamdani had to work hard to get it. There is unprecedented opposition to keep emotions high and making the position of our party more critical. But yes, the Democratic Party has, for the most part, come around.

I should listen to the whole Gillebrand interview and the apology. But I do know her, have been a supporter, and am familiar with where she's from.
I don't think she made her comments from malice, but she is not an ignorant person, so the whole thing threw me.

I agree with you about Bloomberg. I was devastated when he beat Mark Greene for mayor. He bought his mayoral election, then fueled a Republican majority in the Senate for years. I had to convince Democratic family and friends who were not from NY why they shouldn't support him for president. Of course he wasn't going to support Mamdani--he claimed his run for president was to stop Warren and Sanders. He is after all an oligarch, against everything they are for. However, he is an oligarch donating currently to Democrats, not Republicans, (in quantities that matter) so he made my list. Not that my list matters, in the end.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,842 posts)
131. Actually I don't think we do too
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:27 AM
Oct 30

As far as the terms "grievance shopping" and "playing victim", I was referring to the OP. I consider their post out of line and just trying to stir up trouble.

And I agree with you, I'm glad Jeffries endorsed and think Schumer should too. But if he doesn't it doesn't change my vote. Same party endorsements are just political incest. I've never seen an election where the media and so many are so concerned about endorsements. I think it's the corporate media and certain trolls online trying to create the usual 'Dems in disarray' narrative

As far as Gillibrand, she doesn't live in NYC and have never seen her comment on city elections or politics before. My personal impression was that the caller and the host sandbagged her a bit. Yes she made some stupid remarks in the moment but she did apologize for them.

And the less said about the billionaire Bloomberg the better.

question everything

(51,700 posts)
88. Not a Democrat, a Socialist Democrat. Is this the new image of the party, for 2026?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:21 PM
Oct 29

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
95. Correct. And... no.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:35 PM
Oct 29

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
118. It is withing the rules of the Democratic Party
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:46 PM
Oct 29

that a Democratic Socialist can run in a Democratic primary. This is better for Dems than having a third party spoiler. The 3 I know of always caucus with Democrats. We could make them be spoilers or make them change their party title but it wouldn't change their politics.

Given Bernie's and AOC's success nationallly, yes, I expect we will see more of it. But NYC is special, what happens there is not a measure of what can happen nationally.

SSJVegeta

(2,313 posts)
5. Mamdani is basically a New Deal Democrat
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:43 AM
Oct 29

Neoliberals hate that because they thought they killed the new deal coalition decades ago.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
9. No he's not. But, that matter aside...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:52 AM
Oct 29

I've heard that it was his advocacy and promotion for the anti-Harris "Leave it Blank" movement is the cause of a lot of resentment and consternation and distrust among loyal Democrats. It's interesting to note that people are angry at those who fail to give a full-throated "endorsement" to him because "he's the party's nominee"... yet, many of those same folks have no-comment regarding anyone's endorsement of "Leave it Blank" (definitely NOT a way to support our party's nominee for President, and in fact is actively harmful).

iemanja

(57,387 posts)
15. What's the alternative?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:07 AM
Oct 29

A sexual predator who has Trump's support and has agreed to go along with the Orange Orangutan? It's a pretty clear choice for any Democrat.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
20. That's for the voters to decide, isn't it?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:22 AM
Oct 29

The choice was clear with Harris vs Trump, and with Hillary vs Trump. The choice was very clear "for any Democrat" for those elections too, yet the spoiler candidate was the choice for many who couldn't bring themselves to vote for our party's nominee... so they chose the "lesser evil" (in their minds) in order to send a message. And in that case, the message they were sending was "I don't care if Trump wins because the Democrat isn't perfect enough to deserve my vote." Ugh. What nonsense.

I wonder what good purpose is served by badgering or "cancelling" every out of state Democrat who did not endorse, and who did not take-a-side in a mayoral race. When it comes to his support for the anti-Harris "Leave it Blank" movement, people have legitimate reasons for wanting to keep their distance. Others aren't impressed or moved enough to care one way or the other, mostly because they have more pressing national matters to deal with that are of greater importance and consequence than the outcome of a local mayor's race.

A-a-anyway... In the end, it will be interesting to see how this election turns out.

iemanja

(57,387 posts)
22. Of course, they can always vote for Trump
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:24 AM
Oct 29

and obviously it's their decision.

question everything

(51,700 posts)
89. Is Trump on the New York Mayoral ballot?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:24 PM
Oct 29

iemanja

(57,387 posts)
93. Yes
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:43 PM
Oct 29

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His use of ICE and federal funds.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
120. and Trump prefers Cuomo
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:54 PM
Oct 29

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
39. It's important to distinguish between the primary and the general election.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:19 AM
Oct 29

Mamdani supported "leave it blank" in the primary, not the general election. This was mainly symbolic since it wouldn't change the result of the primary election. In the general he stated that he "proudly" would cast his vote for Kamala.

No one is criticizing Dems for not endorsing Mamdani during the primary. Support (or criticism) of any candidate was fair game then. The issue is what they have done (or not done) since Mamdani became the nominee.

You are comparing what Mamdani did in the presidential primaries to what Dems are doing in the mayoral general election.
You need to compare primaries to primaries, general election to general election.





QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
49. The "leave it blank" movement was a tool of voter suppression and an encouragement of apathy that lingered and carried...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:08 AM
Oct 29

over into the general election... it was far more than a harmless "symbolic" message of "fuck-you" to the Democrats and our party's nominee. It was a continuation and amplification of the LIE that "both sides are the same." Sigh. The consequences of actively rejecting and snubbing and sabotaging our party's nominee were not limited to only the primaries. It's a mistake for anyone to dismiss it, or to excuse it, or to give a free pass to anyone who promoted it or encouraged that type of performative, virtue-signaling, treachery.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
63. The anger that carried over into the general was fueled
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:40 AM
Oct 29

by Joe Biden's actions, and Kamala's failure to distance herself from them.
If you think the "leave it blank" during the primaries was the reason Muslim/Palestinian communities didn't come out for Kamala, you are ignoring the source--and the solution-- to the problem.
I understand the rage of these voters, while disagreeing with their inability to examine and take responsibility for the alternative.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
75. I'm ignoring nothing. I'm especially not ignoring those who promoted such idiocy and party treachery.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 11:03 AM
Oct 29

These "leave it blank" advocates and those that were influenced and had their hatred of Harris and the Democratic party all ginned-up and put into overdrive as a result are now, themselves, part of the FAFO community. They made things worse for everyone, but especially with regard to the issue that they claimed to care about the most.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
108. It was unrealistic to think they would do nothing
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 05:13 PM
Oct 29

Just as it was unrealistic for young people in the 60s to refrain from anti-Vietnam demonstrations over worry that they might help elect a Republican. In that case they got the change in the primary they sought, and but for an assassination the resullt would have been excellent.

I was upset at not having a real primary and a choice. I thought Biden was too old to run. I thought he should stand up to Netanyahu. It made me mad enough not to vote in the primary. I feared those two factors would give us Trump. I didn't need any ginning up.
Of course I was always going to vote for the Democrat in the general.
But my community was not bombed. I don't know anyone who died. If it's your family, I think it's hard to be rational. Am I also mad at the people who didn't vote for Kamala over this? Sure.

I just think we need to move some of the focus from a traumatized population to seasoned leaders who who should have listened and understood how these communities would respond. "Leave it blank" gave them a way to make their complaint known in the part of the election where the results were already a given. The rage was already there. Maybe there are some who needed that one way to give voice so they could justify voting Democratic in the general. We don't know what the numbers would have been without "Leave it blank." But I'm guessing if Netanyahu had been required to stop the bombing and let aid in to keep our protection, we would have seen a shift.

betsuni

(28,711 posts)
23. New Deal/FDR Democrats are capitalists. Democrats are not neoliberals.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:32 AM
Oct 29

thought crime

(1,196 posts)
117. The New Deal can be seen as a beginning of Social Democracy.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:46 PM
Oct 29

It was not as broad or consistent as full Social Democracy, but was a pretty good start. FDR's intention to develop it further can be seen in his "Second Bill of Rights".

SocialDemocrat61

(6,842 posts)
27. No he's not. Mamdani wants to help all people
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:44 AM
Oct 29

Not just white people like New Deal Democrats did.

thought crime

(1,196 posts)
111. I think that is an oversimplification.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:33 PM
Oct 29

The New Deal was intended to help workers. The intense discrimination at that time period, before the civil rights movement, certainly found its way into both the structure and the administration of New Deal programs but nevertheless, federal agencies like the Works Progress Administration (WPA) and Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) hired hundreds of thousands of African Americans, and education programs improved literacy for over a million Black Americans. The Farm Security Administration established migrant worker camps. The New Deal was the birth of Social Democracy in America.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,842 posts)
125. Maybe but it's still true
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:12 PM
Oct 29

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Instead of using New Deal programs to promote civil rights, the administration consistently bowed to discrimination. In order to pass major New Deal legislation, Roosevelt needed the support of southern Democrats. Time and time again, he backed away from equal rights to avoid antagonizing southern whites; although, his wife, Eleanor, did take a public stand in support of civil rights.

Most New Deal programs discriminated against blacks. The NRA, for example, not only offered whites the first crack at jobs, but authorized separate and lower pay scales for blacks. The Federal Housing Authority (FHA) refused to guarantee mortgages for blacks who tried to buy in white neighborhoods, and the CCC maintained segregated camps. Furthermore, the Social Security Act excluded those job categories blacks traditionally filled.

The story in agriculture was particularly grim. Since 40 percent of all black workers made their living as sharecroppers and tenant farmers, the Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) acreage reduction hit blacks hard. White landlords could make more money by leaving land untilled than by putting land back into production. As a result, the AAA's policies forced more than 100,000 blacks off the land in 1933 and 1934. Even more galling to black leaders, the president failed to support an anti-lynching bill and a bill to abolish the poll tax. Roosevelt feared that conservative southern Democrats, who had seniority in Congress and controlled many committee chairmanships, would block his bills if he tried to fight them on the race question.

https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtid=2&psid=3447

Danmel

(5,684 posts)
8. THE NYC election is in 6 days
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:51 AM
Oct 29

A primary next year in Maine is not time sensitive.

Lonestarblue

(13,227 posts)
10. I hope Mamdani wins. Democrats need new faces and ideas.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:53 AM
Oct 29

I have not kept up with the Platner issues, but it was my understanding that the tattoo was a skull and crossbones, not a Nazi symbol. Has anyone actually seen the tattoo?

It’s also my understanding that he got the tattoo when in the military after a night of heavy drinking. Is it really fair to judge a man’s beliefs decades later for an action taken when drunk?

Platner may not be who people in Maine will vote for, but it bothers me that Democrats can be just as quick sometimes to commit character assassination against our own when that has long been a Republican tactic against Democrats. We need younger leaders with innovative ideas, but we will never have them if we insist that they all follow the old party line.

EdmondDantes_

(1,376 posts)
17. There's some evidence he knew about the tattoo
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:10 AM
Oct 29
https://newrepublic.com/post/202083/graham-platner-knew-nazi-tattoo

It's circumstantial in the military history buff, and second hand in the referring to the tattoo by name. But combined with his online posts disparaging women, blacks, and gays, it's hard to see his campaign working.

Wiz Imp

(8,983 posts)
31. Platner's tattoo was 100% a Nazi symbol.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:51 AM
Oct 29
https://wgme.com/news/local/controversy-grows-as-platners-past-reddit-posts-suggest-awareness-of-nazi-symbol-tattoo
Developing in the race for Senate, a new report suggests Democrat Graham Platner knew for years his since-covered up tattoo resembled a Nazi symbol, even as Platner has continued to insist he did not.

CNN's K-File reports it uncovered past posts by Platner on Reddit suggesting he knew for years it was a Nazi symbol but didn't see it as an expression of white supremacy.

The report also says two acquaintances claim Platner described the tattoo as a Nazi symbol years ago.


MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
48. What I heard was he was claiming the issue was more nuanced than posters understood
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:05 AM
Oct 29

and the reporting on this is more nuanced than the claims in DU posts.

He claims there is a culture in the military of using these images by people not associated with White Supremacy movements (including people of color). I see nothing in the "new reporting" that associates him as actually supporting Nazis.

Exactly when he learned about the association with Nazi symbols is unclear. Not necessarily the night he got the tattoo. The Nazi skull and crossbones is scarier than the typical jolly rogers symbol, but I can imagine a lot of people not making the distinction until alerted of the history. It's not like the swastika, which used to mean "good luck" but has been obliterated from common use since Hitler. I've known the problem with a swastica since I was a kid, am just learning to distinguish this particular skull and crossbones from others over this issue.

I don't agree with members of the military sporting this tatto; I just don't think I know yet what it means to the soldiers using it.

Also not clear is when he chose to cover up the tattoo. Which was the right thing to do.

yardwork

(68,976 posts)
42. Platner's tattoo photos are readily available on the internet.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:27 AM
Oct 29

It is a Nazi tattoo.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,842 posts)
12. Who are the democrats ganging up on Mamdani?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:58 AM
Oct 29

Please name, names.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
16. Nobody. It's an absurd claim.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:07 AM
Oct 29

I think that "ganging up" is a euphemism for "failed to adore him" or "chose not to endorse him".

The big ol' meanies! How dare they?

nycbos

(6,682 posts)
38. It's part of a victim complex that exists on the far left. Something they share with the far right
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:10 AM
Oct 29

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
53. O come on
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:16 AM
Oct 29

I've heard plenty of victim complaints from followers of more mainstream Democratic candidates/politicians. Of course White male Republicans get the prize.
If you can't tell the difference between Progressives and White Supremacists on this, you aren't really trying.

nycbos

(6,682 posts)
65. I think someone who doesn't call on Hamas...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:55 AM
Oct 29

… a terrorist organization that has the killings of all Jews worldwide in its charter to disarm, and not condemning the phrase globalize the intifada after a domestic terrorist traveled from Chicago to DC for the purpose of killing people at a Jewish event and a Nazi to be the same thing.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
96. Bingo.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:39 PM
Oct 29

And joining in with and promoting the "leave it blank" movement. Remember, these are the people who were chanting "Genocide Joe" and "Killer Kamala" in an effort to suppress the vote. It was disgusting.

Now they have Trump. I wonder if they're happy now.

nycbos

(6,682 posts)
98. People like this are incapable of self reflection or any kind of self accountability.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:42 PM
Oct 29

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
110. OK, we need to define who you are saying the far left is that is playing victim.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:14 PM
Oct 29

I took it to mean Progressives or Democratic Socialists. Bernie, AOC, and yes, Mamdani.
These 3 are far from victim mentaility. They do stand up for people thay are seeing as victimized, but they don't focus on themselves.
Mamdani is the brightest, happiest, most confident and articulate politician I've seen since Obama, and RFK before him. He joined a hunger strike to help taxi drivers, a group he saw as victims who were reclaiming their power. RFK risked his life to speak the night MLK died, and quelled a riot in Indianapolis (Perhaps a little victim mentality would have saved his life). Obama made criticism of his Pastor into his greatest speech.

If you are talking about the people who made the chants you cited, that's another thing. That is the blind rage of a people who have actually been victimized. A far cry from the White male Republicans who think they have it hard because their privelege is threatened.
The Muslim/Palestinian community abandoning Kamala was irrational and maddening. But that's what rage will do.

The peolpe I consider far left, who are motivated by more than one issue, Bernie and AOC for example, condemned aiding Netanyahu while continuing to support Harris/Walz.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
116. I've been as clear and honest as I can be.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:45 PM
Oct 29

It would be futile and a waste of my time to respond to a litany of questions for which the answers are self evident. For future reference... I cannot speak for others that you may have misunderstood. I can only speak for myself... and will not be baited into these games.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
122. Good grief
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:02 PM
Oct 29

You are so clear I don't even know what you are talking about. Not others I've mistunderstood. Just you.
I've been wasting my time on you.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
123. Sorry. I cannot help you any further.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:06 PM
Oct 29

We have reached an impasse.

MadameButterfly

(3,746 posts)
109. i saw the interview you are referring to
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 05:18 PM
Oct 29

and I heard something different.

obamanut2012

(29,174 posts)
58. You know that's not true
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:23 AM
Oct 29

krawhitham

(5,055 posts)
79. It's what they say (claim) about him while not endorcing, that's the "ganging up"
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 12:43 PM
Oct 29

And anyone paying any attention to that race would know that. This feels like nothing more than gaslighting

betsuni

(28,711 posts)
18. THEM. Victim of evil conspiracies by THEM ganging up and rigging and so on.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:21 AM
Oct 29

iemanja

(57,387 posts)
13. The tattoo PLUS his statements about rape victims, Blacks, and LGBT Americans
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:03 AM
Oct 29

When he hates the American people, how can he represent them? We see what the GOP does. They represent Trump, not their constituents.

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
97. This. A million times... THIS.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:41 PM
Oct 29

And upstream, I'm being scolded about how I should be more "nuanced" ... well, there's certainly nothing about THOSE sentiments that can be described as "nuanced". Neither is a Totenkopf tattoo. Nothing subtle about that either.

bucolic_frolic

(54,044 posts)
21. I'm guessing this is an apples and oranges comparison
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:22 AM
Oct 29

Maine Democrats are not the same as New York Democrats.

3Hotdogs

(15,032 posts)
24. RE: PLantner. There are some who argue that his ink was applied while he was in active duty and that getting a tattoo
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:35 AM
Oct 29

is part of many military service people's lives. My father, Iwo Jima vet, came home with two on his arm. An anchor and a mermaid.

My mother: "John, I'm not good enough for you?" She always had a sense of humor. That's where I get mine from. Anyway, you and your buds are on leave, get drunk and hit the tattoo parlor.

Did Planter know the background to his tat or was it a challenge to enemies he might face in future. Does the fact that he covered it mean that he knew at the time or that a someone pointed out that the image was not cool.

But let's assume he did know and it was a statement of Nazi views. Then, he changed his mind. Can a person make mistakes and grow from them?

Then we get to me. If you knew me when I was in my late teens and 20's, you would not have liked me. How 'bout you? Have you changed your views on anything - stuff you wouldn't admit to friends and family?

IbogaProject

(5,619 posts)
25. My wife met Mr Mamdani
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:36 AM
Oct 29

She said she felt a good genuine energy from him. He was just loose w/o obvious security on 7th near 26th street. She shook his hand.

JI7

(93,209 posts)
33. What's with the obsession of making Mamdani a victim ?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:55 AM
Oct 29

Mamdani didn't endorse Harris so i'm sure he understands if people don't want to endorse.

And bringing up this guy in Maine who is also being viewed as a victim by himself and his supporters.

Just bringing up unrelated shit .

nycbos

(6,682 posts)
36. Both the far left and the far right have a victim complex.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:07 AM
Oct 29

It's one of the things that shows the horseshoe nature of the political spectrum.

obamanut2012

(29,174 posts)
59. Mamdani is not "far left"
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:24 AM
Oct 29

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
99. I can assure you that supporting the "leave it blank" movement was not "mainstream" or "establishment" or "centrist".
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:47 PM
Oct 29

Where on the political spectrum would you place it? But, before you respond... keep in mind, also, that the "leave it blank" folks were the ones chanting "Killer Kamala" and "Genocide Joe" as they set out to suppress the vote and gin-up hate toward Democrats and the Democratic party.

thought crime

(1,196 posts)
124. Right. We shouldn't parrot right wing propaganda.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:12 PM
Oct 29

yardwork

(68,976 posts)
43. It is a victim obsession.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:28 AM
Oct 29

To his credit, Mamdani doesn't seem to be playing into it.

JustAnotherGen

(37,565 posts)
70. He really doesn't
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:17 AM
Oct 29

He's just out there shaking things up and making things happen.

yardwork

(68,976 posts)
77. Exactly. And most of us support him.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 11:24 AM
Oct 29

There are some on the fringes who can't seem to take the very likely victory and be happy.

nycbos

(6,682 posts)
35. No one's ganging up on him.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:04 AM
Oct 29

Most Democrats have endorsed him. Some people are less than enthusiastic about him, and a few have refused to endorse him because he failed to condemn language that leads to terrorist violence against Jews. But to say Democrats are ganging up at him is not factually true


I'm from New York and I now live in Chicago. I've worked on campaigns on behalf of Democratic candidates in six different states at every level of the ballot. I went on six canvassing trips to Wisconsin for Harris. And I went twice for the Supreme Court election. And in 2026, if my work schedule allows, I will return to Wisconsin for the midterms. And if I still lived in New York, I would not vote for him, and I have never not voted for the Democratic nominee in any election in my life.

question everything

(51,700 posts)
90. He is not a Democrat. He is a Democratic Socialist.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:38 PM
Oct 29

When Democrats use the term Socialism, they often mean social democracy along Scandinavian lines. DSA’s official platform is committed to socialism in the classic sense—public ownership of the means of production, updated for the information age.

To end exploitation and achieve liberation, the DSA calls for the nationalization of railroads, utilities, critical manufacturing, technology companies, institutions of monetary policy, insurance, real estate and finance. The DSA also calls for public ownership of hospitals and other healthcare providers. It also urges government control of food production with a call to “socialize the agricultural system.” Finally, it calls for “social ownership” of the media and internet providers.

Also for defunding the police

QueerDuck

(1,020 posts)
100. Yes... defunding the police is not "mainstream" or "centrist" or "establishment" either.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:48 PM
Oct 29

thought crime

(1,196 posts)
121. Democratic Socialists DSA is not a political party.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 07:01 PM
Oct 29

Mamdani is running as a Democrat. He won the Democratic Primary. He is the Democratic candidate for Mayor of NYC. He's a Democrat.

Jbraybarten

(179 posts)
37. NYC will always get more attention. Always.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:07 AM
Oct 29

yardwork

(68,976 posts)
40. This OP is wrong on so many levels.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:22 AM
Oct 29

First, I don't see any evidence of any Democrats "ganging up" on Mamdani. He has a lot of endorsements and the election is next week. He won the primary last spring.

Platner is one of many candidates for a primary that is two years out! News about his tattoo and other issues just hit. He's getting a lot of criticism. The only high profile endorsement he has is from Bernie Sanders.

ChicagoTeamster

(441 posts)
47. They initially treated Bernie Sanders the same way when he ran for President in 2016
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 08:59 AM
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At first they network news ignored his candidacy while putting Hillary on late night talk shows and SNL to make her seem more fun and approachable. James Carville complained that the big donor money was going to dry up. Eventually they couldn't ignore the popularity of his ideas.

JustAnotherGen

(37,565 posts)
71. He still didnt' win
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:27 AM
Oct 29

And he doesn't have bad visuals/optics - like for example - a Nazi tattoo.

Those of us in Black community - especially women . . .

We are fed up. We warned America about Fetterman. We warned America about Trump.

No one listens to us. Meanwhile - we are back in a 1927 environment.

We aren't going to have time to do 'free labor' in the next few elections . . . unless folks start listening to us.

It's already a shit sandwich for us - it can be a shit sandwich for everyone as far as I'm concerned.

ChicagoTeamster

(441 posts)
78. I know he didn't win. I'm just pointing out the similarities to how they treated Bernie and Mamdani.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 12:35 PM
Oct 29

The Clintons pushed the Democratic party more to the right and focused on corporate donor money. At the time with the economy overheating from the explosion new business based on the internet and world wide web it may have seemed like the right thing to do. More recently old white guys like Carville ignored Stacey Abrams who helped deliver Georgia for Biden, Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, Conyers in Michigan, while praising Beto O'Rourke (not that he didn't earn he wasn't the only democrat delivering for the party and it's constituents). They complain about Sanders, AOC, the squad. Just considering the tactics of people like Chuck Schumer, and Cuomo along with all of the emails and texts I get for donations, it looks like their focus is more on keeping the money train flowing for themselves and they just wait for Republicans to make enough mistake they can exploit. Not to say the whole party is this way but it's a noticeable situation.

W_HAMILTON

(10,064 posts)
91. And then Sanders became a millionaire and much more well known -- and proceeded to lose in 2020 even worse.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:40 PM
Oct 29

In part, because of people like myself that voted for him in 2016 and then made sure to bring friends and family to vote AGAINST him in 2020 after how he and many of his supporters abused our votes to attack the Democratic winner.

questionseverything

(11,561 posts)
102. And that's how we got *rump
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:54 PM
Oct 29

W_HAMILTON

(10,064 posts)
107. No, it's actually how we got Biden and got rid of Trump, thank you very much.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 04:51 PM
Oct 29

Doremus

(7,273 posts)
115. "Became a millionaire...."
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:43 PM
Oct 29

He wrote some books and bought a vacation home, yawn. $2.5 million is hardly nouveau riche.

The right made a big deal of it though.

W_HAMILTON

(10,064 posts)
119. The right loves Bernie Sanders -- they just will never vote for him.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:50 PM
Oct 29

And he is the prototypical """leftist""" type that the rightwing love to paint all Democrats as and then run against that caricature, but yet they love them some Bernie Sanders -- gee, I wonder why that is?

question everything

(51,700 posts)
92. Sanders is not a Democrat. Seems that we are moving into creating a new face of the party
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:42 PM
Oct 29

that of a socialist. Many here support it but do the rank and file?

bigtree

(93,360 posts)
51. a handful of Democrats, mostly NY pols, are playing politics in their own state
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:14 AM
Oct 29

...this is a false narrative.

Those Democrats in NY aren't politically invested in ME politics. It's a longshot expecting anyone to be responsible for ME politics more than the people who live there.

It's actually specious for the media and others to describe that race as nationalized. We can weigh in, but it's up to the voters in their respective states.

returnee

(818 posts)
56. There is no need for a person with a nazi tattoo...
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:20 AM
Oct 29

…to be the candidate when I’m sure there are many other quality candidates available. Irrespective of his platform, the optics are terrible.

Ping Tung

(4,141 posts)
68. The Deimocratic party hasn't chnnged much from it'sinception.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:08 AM
Oct 29
I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.

Will Rogers

JustAnotherGen

(37,565 posts)
69. There's always
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 10:15 AM
Oct 29

A strain of white supremacy in America. It's cultural conditioning.

BTW - I'm waiting for the Candidates who are more in line with The Great Society. IDGAF about his (LBJ's) record in Vietnam. I don't. My dad was a cold warrior and I spent my formative years in then West Germany.

There are ~ 39M Black Americans - single race non-hispanic non Afro Latino/a.

Another 5.6 million of us are multi racial non-hispanic Black. I fall into this category. My mom was white. I experience America as a Black presenting woman.

We are losing EVERYTHING.

The REAL terror and FEAR that those approximately 45 million Black Americans are experiencing TODAY in 2025 should and MUST outweigh one candidate in a field of SEVERAL in a Primary.

If it's no big deal to you and you think he's sooooo noble and whatnot - fine.

But you aren't my ally . . . and I will proceed with the knowledge that you have experienced America as the default setting and are willing to make excuses.

P.S. Primaries are healthy.


TBF

(35,640 posts)
83. It's true there are high profile people against Mamdani -
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 01:48 PM
Oct 29

but I think they are going to lose. He has 92,000 folks canvassing for him - the youth want him and that kind of energy is hard to beat. So, Bill Ackman, et al, can suck it.

Mamdani may be the next Barack Obama. We certainly need him.

MichMan

(16,629 posts)
127. Once people see what it is like to have a $30 per hour min. wage, free childcare, free transportation & rent controls
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:12 PM
Oct 29

There will be a lot more Mamdani's running for office

TBF

(35,640 posts)
128. Happy to report my daughter voted for him in Queens today -
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:52 PM
Oct 29

they are all early voting. He's got 92,000 volunteers canvassing for him - in NYC! I'm really hoping he makes it.

betsuni

(28,711 posts)
85. Conspiracy theories about cartoon villain Democrats are what makes people cynical.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 01:56 PM
Oct 29

FDR and Harry Truman were capitalists. The story that FDR was a socialist is used for political purposes to demonize the modern Democratic Party as corrupt neoliberals who ignore the working class. Republicans love it. The more everyone puts most of their energy and attention blaming Democrats the better for them.

JoseBalow

(9,165 posts)
86. Is he the one that called for intifada?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:11 PM
Oct 29

question everything

(51,700 posts)
87. Used to..
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 02:18 PM
Oct 29

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,185 posts)
101. Wow
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 03:53 PM
Oct 29

It's been almost a week.

thought crime

(1,196 posts)
112. Not speaking out as much against Graham Plantner?
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 06:35 PM
Oct 29

He's getting clobbered.

Blasphemer

(3,577 posts)
129. No one is ganging up on anyone.
Wed Oct 29, 2025, 09:57 PM
Oct 29

We’re not the GOP and have genuine disagreements about candidates and strategy. Many (including the Black community, especially women) did not warm to Obama right away. He had to earn it.

MichMan

(16,629 posts)
132. No one would have known that Plantner had that tattoo had that old video of him shirtless not surfaced
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:33 PM
Oct 30

Should all future political candidates be forced to reveal any tattoos? For all we know, Mamdani may have some that aren't appropriate for the future mayor of NYC.

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